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wakeup

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This is what the WORLD BELIEVE.

God is born of mary.
Jesus is God.
God died on the cross.
God is of the root of David.
God resurected himself.
God is sitting on the right hand of the father.(God is sitting next to God)
Jesus(God)will hand over his kingdom to his father.(God will hand over his kingdom to God)
Jesus(God) said, I myself can not do anything.(God himself can not do anything)
What my father tells me that i say.(God tells God what to say)
My father is greater then I.(God is greater than God)
In the beginning was God and God was with God, and God was God.
God dying on the cross crying; my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
God was made a little lower than the angels.(God was MADE MIND YOU).
God says to mary; dont touch me, for i have not ascended to my God.
Jesus said in rev, my God and your God.????

AND THE WORLD IS VERY HAPPY WITH THIS,NO NEED TO EXPLAIN,WE BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD, AND THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT.NO MATTER WHAT,PRAISE THE LORD.

luke10:22. NO MAN KNOWS THE SON BUT THE FATHER, AND NO MAN KNOWS THE FATHER, BUT THE SON; AND HE TO WHOM THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.

Dont you want Jesus to reveal it to you?

''wakeup''.
 
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MaggieMye

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TAKE A CLASS IN HERMENEUTICS SO YOU CAN LEARN TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF GOD. YOUR THEOLOGY IS REALLY MESSED UP AND ONE WOULD LOGICALLY THINK THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW GOD AT ALL.

Maggie
 
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AnandaHya

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Jesus is not a "created being" that is YOUR belief.
you repeat the Arian mistakes, so has the JW then converted you to their beliefs instead of you having shown the true Jesus to them?
since my words fall on deaf ears perhaps another's will get better reception and you can learn first Jesus and His divinity and then speak to JW instead of convert to their religion.

JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD

John 20:17 - "I ascend to My Father and to your Father, My God and to your God." How can the Father be His God if Christ is God? How can God have a God.

Say "I believe that J esus is both God and man. Here he speaks in reference to His human nature. As a man the Father is His God - just as He is ours. He calls the Father His God because He is God whom he worships, prays to and need in His life just as we do."

This verse is a clear reference to the Hypostatic Union of Christ (He was fully God and man).

Rev. 3:14 - "These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the source of GodÕs creation."

Notice the text does not say Christ was created. The Greek word translated as "source" or "origin" is arche. It connotes "the eternal source of all that is."

In Revelation 21:16 Jehovah is called the "Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end...I shall be His God and He shall be my Son." But Jesus is called the "Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end" in Revelation 22:13. Ask the Witness how Jesus and Jehovah can be both the "Alpha and the Omega." Also ask if this means that Jehovah God had a &quo t;beginning," because arche is used to describe Him? Her arche means "the source of the creation of God because he is the creator of all things. John 1;1-3 says Jesus (the Word) created Òall things...and without Him was made nothin g that was made."

If Christ was created, He would have had to have created Himself, which is impossible.

By the way most of the world does not believe at all but only use prayers as a spell to fulfill their earthly desires instead of a method to learn of God's divine plan and will for their life. What does your God tell you to do with your life?
 
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Grey

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Mother of Jesus who is the son of God (or his earthy form). Saying that Mary is the Mother of God can seem to some people as implying that Mary is above God.
 
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wakeup

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MaggieMye said:
TAKE A CLASS IN HERMENEUTICS SO YOU CAN LEARN TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF GOD. YOUR THEOLOGY IS REALLY MESSED UP AND ONE WOULD LOGICALLY THINK THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW GOD AT ALL.

Maggie
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This your theology maggie,not mine for you believe that jesus is God,and God died on the cross. I believe that Jesus is THE SON OF GOD.and jesus died on the cross.

Dont twist things around.
If Jesus is God as you believe, than God came out of mary.THIS IS CONFUSION.
THIS IS NOT KNOWING THE LORD YOU ARE PRAYING TO. This is blindness.
(I see said the blind man).Professing to know the Lord, but blind indeed.

wakeup''.
 
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wakeup

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AnandaHya said:
Jesus is not a "created being" that is YOUR belief.
you repeat the Arian mistakes, so has the JW then converted you to their beliefs instead of you having shown the true Jesus to them?
since my words fall on deaf ears perhaps another's will get better reception and you can learn first Jesus and His divinity and then speak to JW instead of convert to their religion.

JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD

John 20:17 - "I ascend to My Father and to your Father, My God and to your God." How can the Father be His God if Christ is God? How can God have a God.

Say "I believe that J esus is both God and man. Here he speaks in reference to His human nature. As a man the Father is His God - just as He is ours. He calls the Father His God because He is God whom he worships, prays to and need in His life just as we do."

This verse is a clear reference to the Hypostatic Union of Christ (He was fully God and man).

Rev. 3:14 - "These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the source of GodÕs creation."

Notice the text does not say Christ was created. The Greek word translated as "source" or "origin" is arche. It connotes "the eternal source of all that is."

In Revelation 21:16 Jehovah is called the "Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end...I shall be His God and He shall be my Son." But Jesus is called the "Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end" in Revelation 22:13. Ask the Witness how Jesus and Jehovah can be both the "Alpha and the Omega." Also ask if this means that Jehovah God had a &quo t;beginning," because arche is used to describe Him? Her arche means "the source of the creation of God because he is the creator of all things. John 1;1-3 says Jesus (the Word) created Òall things...and without Him was made nothin g that was made."

If Christ was created, He would have had to have created Himself, which is impossible.

By the way most of the world does not believe at all but only use prayers as a spell to fulfill their earthly desires instead of a method to learn of God's divine plan and will for their life. What does your God tell you to do with your life?
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After his resurection, he still calls his FATHER MY GOD??
 
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wakeup

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Grey said:
Mother of Jesus who is the son of God (or his earthy form). Saying that Mary is the Mother of God can seem to some people as implying that Mary is above God.
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Do you think that they can see this? They can not see because they refuse to see.

Stiff necked children.Too smart to be told.
 
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AnandaHya

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1 Corinthians 15:45-50 (New King James Version)

45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”[a] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord[b] from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear[c] the image of the heavenly Man.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

explain the above text if you can.

The Lord is often referred to as GOD in the OT.

If you do not believe Jesus is God then why do you worship Him?
 
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AnandaHya

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wakeup said:

Do you think that they can see this? They can not see because they refuse to see.

Stiff necked children.Too smart to be told.
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you preach a different Jesus from what the Gospel preach. You preach that Jesus is a created being.

2 Corinthians 11:3-5 (New King James Version)
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity[a] that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

2 Corinthians 12
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such a one I will boast
 
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AnandaHya

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wakeup said:
After his resurection, he still calls his FATHER MY GOD??
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Jesus came to show us how to leave Perfect HUMAN lives, if He went around saying "I Am that I Am" "I am GOD" then people would copy that example and say well we're just copying Jesus

. Though Jesus is the LORD and the LORD is GOD, HE did not state it on Earth because it was not His purpose. His purpose was to fulfill scriptures and prophecy and to make a new covenant with the world.

Do you know what Emmanuel means?

"GOD is with us" which means that JESUS was GOD amongst us. Why did you think the Pharisees wanted to kill Jesus? Because He told them HE WAS GOD. that HE was LORD and came to fulfill the prophecies.


1 Corinthians 4:3-5 (New King James Version)

3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court.[a] In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.

(just reminding myself)
 
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MaggieMye

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THis is my 'theology' concerning 'wakeup': TAKE A CLASS IN HERMENEUTICS SO YOU CAN LEARN TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF GOD. YOUR THEOLOGY IS REALLY MESSED UP AND ONE WOULD LOGICALLY THINK THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW GOD AT ALL.

Several people on this board have repeated told you that you are in error. You have shown your unteachable heart. You teach heresy and falsivity and are to be ignored.

Maggie
 
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livingbygrace

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Actually Wake Up is correct. Even after Christ's ressurection he refers to His Father as 'My God'

John 20:17

And four times in Rev 3:12 Jesus refers to his Father as 'My God'
 
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Grey said:
Mother of Jesus who is the son of God (or his earthy form). Saying that Mary is the Mother of God can seem to some people as implying that Mary is above God.
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You're not the mother of an earthly form, you're the mother of a person. Mary is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God. When you deny her the proper title of "Mother of God" you deny the divinity of Our Lord God Jesus Christ.
 
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AnandaHya

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Mary was the mother of the fleshly human body that was part of Jesus, but when the human body dies and is buried inn the ground is the person still in the body that is being decomposed by worms and bacteria?

What happens to the Soul of a person? The Bible tells us the answer to this:

It rests in the Earth until it is resurrected by God for the 1st or the 2nd resurrection. For a man dies once and then judgement at the final judgement day. Unless someone does a forbidden thing and raises the dead through mediums and spiritualist like King Saul did with the prophet Samuel and the reason Saul was accursed.

However JESUS is the LORD and the LORD is GOD and overcomes DEATH and raises in a celestial heavenly spiritual body. He is the second Adam.

I will post Bible verses if anyone wants them.
 
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journey41

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AnandaHya said:
Mary was the mother of the fleshly human body that was part of Jesus, but when the human body dies and is buried inn the ground is the person still in the body that is being decomposed by worms and bacteria?

What happens to the Soul of a person? The Bible tells us the answer to this:

It rests in the Earth until it is resurrected by God for the 1st or the 2nd resurrection. For a man dies once and then judgement at the final judgement day. Unless someone does a forbidden thing and raises the dead through mediums and spiritualist like King Saul did with the prophet Samuel and the reason Saul was accursed.

However JESUS is the LORD and the LORD is GOD and overcomes DEATH and raises in a celestial heavenly spiritual body. He is the second Adam.

I will post Bible verses if anyone wants them.
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[/QUOTE]Amen sister.
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kujo313

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dscherck said:
You're not the mother of an earthly form, you're the mother of a person. Mary is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God. When you deny her the proper title of "Mother of God" you deny the divinity of Our Lord God Jesus Christ.
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Why pay attention to her at all??

It's not about denying Mary, it's about denying God. Jesus taught about the relationship between Himself and God. If we denying Him (Jesus), we deny the One who sent Him (God).

Anything outside that is taught by man. Thus, it is another "gospel" that we're to steer clear from.
 
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dscherck

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AnandaHya said:
Mary was the mother of the fleshly human body that was part of Jesus, but when the human body dies and is buried inn the ground is the person still in the body that is being decomposed by worms and bacteria?

What happens to the Soul of a person? The Bible tells us the answer to this:

It rests in the Earth until it is resurrected by God for the 1st or the 2nd resurrection. For a man dies once and then judgement at the final judgement day. Unless someone does a forbidden thing and raises the dead through mediums and spiritualist like King Saul did with the prophet Samuel and the reason Saul was accursed.

However JESUS is the LORD and the LORD is GOD and overcomes DEATH and raises in a celestial heavenly spiritual body. He is the second Adam.

I will post Bible verses if anyone wants them.
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You cannot separate Christ's divinity from His humanity. Mary is the mother of Jesus, the Person. Motherhood is a relationship, and she is the only one who had that relationship with Jesus. When you try to deny it, you deny the incarnation. You say, "Mary is the mother of the fleshly human body..." But in doing so, you're in effect saying, "Jesus wasn't man, His body was just a piece of flesh that wasn't worth anything. He didn't suffer, it was just His body..."

Christ was both fully man AND fully God. To deny Mary the title "Mother of God" is to deny Christ's incarnation. This is of course in full contradiction to the teachings of the gospel.
 
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Scotth1960

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wakeup said:
This is what the WORLD BELIEVE.

God is born of mary.
Jesus is God.
God died on the cross.
God is of the root of David.
God resurected himself.
God is sitting on the right hand of the father.(God is sitting next to God)
Jesus(God)will hand over his kingdom to his father.(God will hand over his kingdom to God)
Jesus(God) said, I myself can not do anything.(God himself can not do anything)
What my father tells me that i say.(God tells God what to say)
My father is greater then I.(God is greater than God)
In the beginning was God and God was with God, and God was God.
God dying on the cross crying; my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
God was made a little lower than the angels.(God was MADE MIND YOU).
God says to mary; dont touch me, for i have not ascended to my God.
Jesus said in rev, my God and your God.????

AND THE WORLD IS VERY HAPPY WITH THIS,NO NEED TO EXPLAIN,WE BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD, AND THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT.NO MATTER WHAT,PRAISE THE LORD.

luke10:22. NO MAN KNOWS THE SON BUT THE FATHER, AND NO MAN KNOWS THE FATHER, BUT THE SON; AND HE TO WHOM THE SON WILL REVEAL HIM.

Dont you want Jesus to reveal it to you?

''wakeup''.
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Mary the Mother of Jesus our LORD is not God, but she is the holy ever-virgin Blessed Mother of God, the holy Theotokos. We ask her, to pray for us, praying to God through her, thus saying not only "Most holy Theotokos, save us", but also, "Through the prayers of Thy most pure Mother, LORD Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us." Christ is the only Saviour, and the only One Who can save us from our sins. But other Christians "save" us in the sense of "help" us through their prayers. Because Scripture also says "baptism saves", but does not say that those who for one cause or another do not become baptized will not be saved. We call upon all the saints and the Mother of God because their prayers are needed and effective. We are not alone in the Christian life, but part of the "communion of saints" (Apostles' Creed). "We call upon the Theotokos for her intercessions for the same reason that we call upon each other and the saints and angels for theirs. The Holy Scripture commands us to intercede for one another (1 Tim. 2:1-2)."
(Page 31: The Point of Faith HANDBOOK: Point of Faith Number 1. Archbishop Lazar Puhalo. Synaxis Press, The Canadian Orthodox Publishing House, 37223 Hawkins Rd., Dewdney, BC, Canada V0M-1H0 ). God save us. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS All of you, Christ remember in His Kingdom. Amen.

 
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Grey

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Saying that Mary is the mother of God once again implies that Mary is above God. Think about it this way, if Mary is the Mother of God who is the father?
 
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kujo313

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One Mediator. Period.
 
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