Matthew 5:36

[Arel]

True. Often God’s people suffer because of what others do to them. WE, Believers, are not responsible for the actions of others. We are, however, responsible for how WE respond to those bad times and things done against us. We need to remember that Jesus simply walked away, or kept His mouth shut, letting His Father be the Avenger.

Like the time he got angry and threw people out of the Temple?

I’m TRYING!!! Are we not All works in progress?

Yes, but sometimes progress can be halted...even if we think we're making progress.

No. But it most likely would mean that there is some curse in their life that they are not aware of keeping the door open for the demonic. It could be generational, it could be witchcraft being done against them without their knowledge. People perish for lack of KNOWLEDGE.

What if it is Elyon's will for them to die that way?

People die young because they either don’t know God at all OR because they lack understanding in the authority He has given them so they can be the overcomers that He created them to be.

What if it is Elyon's will for them to die young?

 

[MaggieMye]

Like the time he got angry and threw people out of the Temple? There is a difference between fleshly and demonic anger and righteous anger. The Temple was the House of the Lord and people were abusing it, defiling it by selling their wares and most at elevated prices, swindling the poor. It was right for Jesus to be angry that His Father’s house was being disrespected.
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I’m TRYING!!! Are we not All works in progress?

Yes, but sometimes progress can be halted...even if we think we're making progress. Deception IS a tricky thing, isn’t’ it? But Trying indicates that the person KNOWS they have not yet ‘arrived’.
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No. But it most likely would mean that there is some curse in their life that they are not aware of keeping the door open for the demonic. It could be generational, it could be witchcraft being done against them without their knowledge. People perish for lack of KNOWLEDGE.

What if it is Elyon's will for them to die that way? Then He would be a liar. He would not be the God that He claims to be, which is a God of LOVE.
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People die young because they either don’t know God at all OR because they lack understanding in the authority He has given them so they can be the overcomers that He created them to be.

What if it is Elyon's will for them to die young Did you READ what I posted before? He does not create a person just to destroy him/her. That would be a Self-defeating thing for Him to do.
Maggie

 

[Jezreel]

Another thing that I can add, that many of us gals, especially me, but not all of you were, I was raised to believe that was all I had was my looks. I won a beauty contest when I was 17. People told me I was a beautiful dancer. When I was fat when I was younger, my father showed sheer displeasure and disgust for my appearance and told me that no man would want me because I was "fat". When I turned anorexic and stopped eating and got thin, men did want me but only for one reason! At least men wanted me and that made my father really proud. My father was not a Christian dad of course. If I gained one pound, I would hear it from my mom and she was fat!! Anyhow, a lot of the way the world tries to mold out minds is that outer beauty is more important than inner beauty. I used to be very beautiful and just like miss Piggy I could say, "my beauty is my curse"!! That is one thing I love about getting old and especially being in the Lord, I don't worry about looks anymore, I enjoy food, I do not diet and when I am with the kids, if I cut the cheese, I just blame it all on the grandkids!! hee hee!

 

[Arel]

There is a difference between fleshly and demonic anger and righteous anger. The Temple was the House of the Lord and people were abusing it, defiling it by selling their wares and most at elevated prices, swindling the poor. It was right for Jesus to be angry that His Father’s house was being disrespected.

But, you said that Yeshua always walked away...

Deception IS a tricky thing, isn’t’ it? But Trying indicates that the person KNOWS they have not yet ‘arrived’.

But are they trying in the right direction?

Then He would be a liar. He would not be the God that He claims to be, which is a God of LOVE.

It's not unloving for Him to take one of His People early. There are a lot of reasons, GOOD reasons, He could plan to take someone while they are yet young.

Who are you to tell Elyon how to be?

Did you READ what I posted before? He does not create a person just to destroy him/her. That would be a Self-defeating thing for Him to do.

Can you show me this in Scripture?

 

[MaggieMye]

But, you said that Yeshua always walked away...Yes. When people accused Him, like when He was brought before Pilot, He said nothing. When accused in the crowds of people, He walked away, usually without their notice. He NEVER argued or retaliated in any way. When He trashed the tables in the Temple, it was not because someone accosted Him, it was because they were defiling the temple of the Lord with their greedy sin.
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Deception IS a tricky thing, isn’t’ it? But Trying indicates that the person KNOWS they have not yet ‘arrived’.
But are they trying in the right direction? If they aren’t, don’t you think God is big and powerful enough to be able to redirect them? And yes, even when He does send messengers/people to bring someone that is deceived often does not receive it. Then God holds that person accountable for their rebellion and unbelief.
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Then He would be a liar. He would not be the God that He claims to be, which is a God of LOVE.
It's not unloving for Him to take one of His People early. There are a lot of reasons, GOOD reasons, He could plan to take someone while they are yet young. Name ONE that would not violate His promise in Proverb 90:10.
Who are you to tell Elyon how to be? I do not tell Him how to be! How Silly is that to even think! But HE tells ME His ways in His word. Do you read His word? Do you study it so that you can KNOW HIM? To the foolish who do not Know Him and ready themselves for Him, He will say “I do not know you!”
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Did you READ what I posted before? He does not create a person just to destroy him/her. That would be a Self-defeating thing for Him to do.
Can you show me this in Scripture? John 3:16,or God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Ps. 90:10 “The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. “ Deut 30:19 " I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, WHY would God choose to kill someone when He Himself tells us to choose LIFE? He does not. Like Jesus did what He saw His Father do, we are to do likewise. Choose life because HE chooses life. Only when a person has had 70-80 years to fulfill His plan for him/her will God call the person’s spirit home to Him…or to wherever it will spend eternity. God cannot/will not violate the will of man. People suffer and die because of the will of man. God does not kill.
Maggie

 

[Arel]

Yes. When people accused Him, like when He was brought before Pilot, He said nothing. When accused in the crowds of people, He walked away, usually without their notice. He NEVER argued or retaliated in any way. When He trashed the tables in the Temple, it was not because someone accosted Him, it was because they were defiling the temple of the Lord with their greedy sin.

But Yeshua DID argue. More passive than anything else, but when someone said something to him that was wrong, he corrected it.

Name ONE that would not violate His promise in Proverb 90:10.

There is no such chapter as Proverbs 90.

I do not tell Him how to be! How Silly is that to even think! But HE tells ME His ways in His word. Do you read His word? Do you study it so that you can KNOW HIM? To the foolish who do not Know Him and ready themselves for Him, He will say “I do not know you!”

Then show me in His Word ALL of the things you have said.

John 3:16,or God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life..

This verse speaks of the World We Cannot See. It is not in THIS earth that we shall live imperishably, but it is in the NEXT, when Elyon shall save us from Teeleh.

Ps. 90:10 “The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. “

I have never in my life seen this verse. Proverbs 90 does not exist. I do believe you have been deceived.

WHY would God choose to kill someone when He Himself tells us to choose LIFE?

You misunderstand the verse. The "life" he tells you to choose is ETERNAL, not perishable. THIS life is not life at all, it is merely existence! There is a greater life, TRUE LIFE, waiting beyond the lake's shore, you have only to dive in.

THAT is what the verse says. It's intoxicating!

God cannot/will not violate the will of man. People suffer and die because of the will of man.

No...no, no, no, no! Man's will is subservient to Elyon's will! Elyon does not obey the will of man, WE obey the will of ELYON! Man who obeys his own will shall perish in the end! Please, you must understand this!

 

[imoss]

There is no such chapter as Proverbs 90.

I have never in my life seen this verse. Proverbs 90 does not exist. I do believe you have been deceived.

it took me 40 seconds to verify she meant psalms not proverbs.

 

[shad]

The verse is Ps 90:10.

 

[MaggieMye]

Yeah...sorry about that. Psalms 90:10
Maggie

 

[Arel]

Yeah, I hunkered down and did some digging last night and found it. No problem ^_^

 

[cookie39]

I've not taken offense to a single thing you said. You just seem to pull the age card quite a bit when dealing with people younger than you. I was merely making an observation.



[/color][/b]That's pretty bad too.



Once again: I haven't taken offense to a single thing you've said.



Again: I haven't taken offense to a single thing you've said, nor have I lashed out at you. And what "condition" am I showing?

And before implying that I ought to consider the possibility that you know more about a certain topic than I do, have YOU ever considered that *I* might know a little more about a certain topic than you?



That's not vanity. Vanity is pride or conceit in the way one looks - which is bad, negative, not good.



Have you ever stopped to think that maybe G-d put things like the Witness Protection Program on earth for us to use when we need them?

Also, and this is just a question born of curiosity, but...are you challenging the faith of people who use things like the Witness Protection Program?

I would like to add,, that vanity has two definitions, yes one is pride,, as we would say "you're stuck on your self, and it also mean useless, worthless,unprofitable, ect.... and if you look in the Bible Vanity most always speaks of the 2cd definitions. In Ecclesiastes where the word vanity is mostly used the Hebrew def. is wortlessness, empty, having no value, and it is saying no spiritual value and so on....... for example' the Bible say that bodily exercise profits man nothing and else where it say little, so it depende on how you put the word in contents of what you are tring to say in order to understand what a peraon is tring to say. we know there are some vane people and we also know that we have all wanted or done something that has no spiritul value, or even worldly value,
and for the age situation I will not respond but I will let God do it all himself....

Job 32:4-8 Now ELIHU had waited tilll Job had spoken, because they were elder than him. (6) and Elihu the son ofBarachel the Buzite answered and said , I am young; and ye are very old: wherefore I was afraid and durst not show you my opion. (7) I said, days should speak and multitude of years should teach wisdom. (8) but there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. (9) great men are NOT always wise: NEITHER DO THE AGED understandeth judgement.
so age or education does not give us wisdom, it is the wisdom of God we should seek and not that of this world.

 

[cookie39]

as to black hair, white, hair, I don't know if their is any spiritul signifficants to it. which I never read in the Bible..... 1) that it shows old age, not saying it is not there, just that I have none come to mind,
which every time I answer a post Praise God for the Holy spirit he reminds me of what the Lord has taught me..... to give only the Word of god..

 

[MahogonySnail]

We often try to find deeper or hidden meanings in trivial biblical facts such as how many fish the disciples caught or what is the significance of black and white hair. But really, there is no deeper or hidden spiritual meanings in such things, sometimes they are just plain facts or proverbial expressions.