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How is it even our place to say that?
What we ALL deserve is the "second death" and eternal separation from G-d, for the wages of sin ARE death.
However, in His mercy, He has granted us a way to be spared from that fate.
Exodus 33:19 says we need to be careful about telling anybody else they're going to hell. He is G-d, and we are not. That's why I say, I'm not here to tell you you're going to hell. But I CAN tell you how to be SURE you're going to heaven.
What we ALL deserve is the "second death" and eternal separation from G-d, for the wages of sin ARE death.
However, in His mercy, He has granted us a way to be spared from that fate.
Exodus 33:19 says we need to be careful about telling anybody else they're going to hell. He is G-d, and we are not. That's why I say, I'm not here to tell you you're going to hell. But I CAN tell you how to be SURE you're going to heaven.
Yes, and we also know that Jesus is the Word of G-d made flesh. (John 1)
So while I believe that many Christians only "know" HALF of Jesus (as the man, but not the Word- the Torah, which they tend to disparage), so do I believe that many Jews know Him halfway (as the Word, and not the man).
They are one and the same.
So who is least wrong?
I would say that many of the Jews live a lifestyle closer to Messiah's own than the average Christian does. I'm still not prepared to say those Christians are going to hell, nor those Jews. They all together only have half the story, and ultimately though I could point to Rev 12 and 14, where the saints have BOTH the testimony, AND the lifestyle, I choose not to condemn; to show mercy, as I have been shown mercy, and simply to point the way for those interested in having a deeper relationship, by submitting their lives to be lived according to G-d's paths.
So while I believe that many Christians only "know" HALF of Jesus (as the man, but not the Word- the Torah, which they tend to disparage), so do I believe that many Jews know Him halfway (as the Word, and not the man).
They are one and the same.
So who is least wrong?
I would say that many of the Jews live a lifestyle closer to Messiah's own than the average Christian does. I'm still not prepared to say those Christians are going to hell, nor those Jews. They all together only have half the story, and ultimately though I could point to Rev 12 and 14, where the saints have BOTH the testimony, AND the lifestyle, I choose not to condemn; to show mercy, as I have been shown mercy, and simply to point the way for those interested in having a deeper relationship, by submitting their lives to be lived according to G-d's paths.
I am prepared to say. Anyone that does not accept Christ as their Savior even if they follow the law perfectly will go to Hell.
Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Also all those that claim they know Christ but live a life style that denies Him will also go to Hell.
Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Also all those that claim they know Christ but live a life style that denies Him will also go to Hell.
Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Okay, but then you sound an awful lot like the servant in Matthew 18, who having BEEN shown mercy, refused to SHOW mercy to others.
Except in this case, YOU aren't even owed a debt. G-d is. So instead of letting Him show mercy upon whom He will, which clearly IS His perogative (Exodus 33:19), you find it your place to call in a debt not owed to you, when you don't have a mandate from the creditor TO collect that debt on His behalf.
Hey, whatever makes you feel good....
Oh about that Romans 3 thing.. I would invite you to take a look at Luke 1, and consider G-d's servants, Elisheva and Z'karyah, who kept the commandments perfectly, and were righteous in G-d's sight. I would also invite you to consider G-d's servants Enoch and Elijah, neither of whom died, but were taken by G-d. Since we know that sin cannot abide with G-d, we know they were without sin. Since they didn't die (and the wages of sin ARE death) we can infer that they didn't have to pay the price of Adam's sin, which is physical death.
Except in this case, YOU aren't even owed a debt. G-d is. So instead of letting Him show mercy upon whom He will, which clearly IS His perogative (Exodus 33:19), you find it your place to call in a debt not owed to you, when you don't have a mandate from the creditor TO collect that debt on His behalf.
Hey, whatever makes you feel good....
Oh about that Romans 3 thing.. I would invite you to take a look at Luke 1, and consider G-d's servants, Elisheva and Z'karyah, who kept the commandments perfectly, and were righteous in G-d's sight. I would also invite you to consider G-d's servants Enoch and Elijah, neither of whom died, but were taken by G-d. Since we know that sin cannot abide with G-d, we know they were without sin. Since they didn't die (and the wages of sin ARE death) we can infer that they didn't have to pay the price of Adam's sin, which is physical death.
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Not exactly, I simply believe what scripture says about what it take to receive eternal life. I have no problem forgiving those that trespass against me. However scripture tells us.......He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. ''1st John 2:4, and i believe this to be true.
I voted that no one deserves to go to heaven because regardless who will get in which the Bibles says that all Israel shall be saved and we know the gentiles can get saved which would include muslims, But No one deserves to go to Heaven It is just by the grace of God that any will get there
Ro 12:3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Ro 12:3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
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Islam and Judism and Christianity(world view) may be the three unclean spirits like frogs that go out to deceive the nations of the earth. they come out of the mouth of the beast, out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the false prophet. They are the spirits of devils working miracles. etc. A religeon does have a spirit of it's own. Frogs are unclean. Pure religeon is to visit the fatherless and the widow in their distress, the Spirit of Christ and his sons and daughters.
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This scripture pretty much says it all. There is only ONE way! Jesus could not have made this any clearer.
And of course none of us deserve it. It is only by the grace, mercy, and amazing love of our heavenly father who provided a way through his son Jesus that we have this opportunity. It is a narrow path though just like the bible says and there are not MANY ways, only one.....Jesus!
And of course none of us deserve it. It is only by the grace, mercy, and amazing love of our heavenly father who provided a way through his son Jesus that we have this opportunity. It is a narrow path though just like the bible says and there are not MANY ways, only one.....Jesus!
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I voted everyone regardless of religion can go to heaven does that mean everyone WILL go to heaven? No. Am I a universalist? No. Jesus did not come on Earth to establish a new religion. He came to establish a kingdom. Regardless of your religion and when I say religion I am talking about religious people. A lot of people say "Christianity is a religion" of course it is. But it's not about religious works to get to heaven. You can be Muslim, Jew, Christian, Hindu or whatever you want but if you trust in Yeshua for your salvation alone and trusting Him to get you to heaven. Regardless of your religion that will take you to heaven. It's not about religion it is about a relationship with our Creator through Jesus Christ. Religious people try to do "good works" to try and brush away their sin. Christianity can be just as religious as any other religion (hope I didn't lose anyone there). But trusting in Yeshua is not about religion it's about a relationship. We must be born again. Is that religious? No that has nothing to do with religion.
John 3
1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Pretty much we are born spiritually dead regardless of your religion, but simply because of our sin. We must literally "be born again" our spiritual life needs to be born. We literally pass from death to life once we believe Jesus.
John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
John 3
1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Pretty much we are born spiritually dead regardless of your religion, but simply because of our sin. We must literally "be born again" our spiritual life needs to be born. We literally pass from death to life once we believe Jesus.
John 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."
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Islam and Judism and Christianity are the three major religeons of the world. Religeons have a spirit that their believers receive. There are multitudes of Christians that have a religeous spirit and not the Holy Spirit. Christianity is a worldly religeon that commited genocide in the name of Christ and killed the American Indians and other people too weak or outnumbered to be able to defend their selves. The Roman Catholic missionaires crossed land and see and converted others into being a "two fold child of hell". These three groups with their spirit that they have are unclean spirits that will work miracles that will gather together the kings of the earth for the great battle of Armageddon.
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2Corinthians 11:2-4
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin unto Christ. FOR IF HE THAT COMES PREACHES ANOTHER JESUS WHOM WE HAVE NOT PREACHED OR IF YOU RECEIVE ANOTHER SPIRIT WHICH YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED OR ANOTHER GOSPEL, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him.
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin unto Christ. FOR IF HE THAT COMES PREACHES ANOTHER JESUS WHOM WE HAVE NOT PREACHED OR IF YOU RECEIVE ANOTHER SPIRIT WHICH YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED OR ANOTHER GOSPEL, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him.
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