Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?

[Gman]

Yes, we should always ask our Holy and Heavenly Father to forgive our sins each time we sin. When you believed all your sins up to that day and time were forgiven but as you continue to live you will sin albeit less and less and so you should ask for forgiveness right away and also for the help you need so that you don't continue to repeat that same sin. This is clearly expressed throughout the Bible. God bless!

 

[Cee]

Boy, have you got this messed up! Sorry, Cee, I know you are a kind and loving man. But, this is just wrong.

First, metanoia - one word, no hyphens, is Greek. It means “repent.” The word used in Latin, is translated into English as “penance” which was Jerome’s bad translation in the 4th century. It was bad, because he only had limited Greek, and very little Hebrew.

Metanoia, means “change of mind” only in Greek, non-Biblical texts. When it is found in the Bible, it is connected to repentance, and it has real feelings of sorrow, grief and sadness for sins committed. Read the places in the Bible where it is used, in context, and you will see this is a lie. I posted this on the thread by Ben, about what the BIBLE says. Feel free to ask me to reprint that, or to look it up yourself, instead of takikng these cult leaders and gurus at their word.

So, no, you don’t know Greek, and you are right, Word Faith is a cult, and they are unwilling to admit they are incorrect, when they have literally redefined words in the Bible to mean things only found in Ancient Greek, non-Christian or non-Jewish sources, and gnostic writings.

As for tradition led idols - the Word Faith in a mere 30-40 years have created the worse, most unbiblical traditions, they mouth lies which their followers continue to spout and adhere to, and are walking far from God.

So, take a look at what Bible says about the Word “repent.” Just go to Biblegateway.com and put in the word “repent” or “repentance” in any English version. Read every single occurrence in context. You will find that repentance is connected to turning from sin.

I don’t know why this comes as such a surprise to you hypergrace/ Word Faith people. The fact is, you will go to those verses, and instead of reading the actual words, like:

“Now I rejoice, not because you were made sad, but because you were made sad to the point of repentance. For you were made sad as God intended, so that you were not harmed in any way by us.” 2 Cor. 7:9 NET

You will read it as “made sad. The point of the change of mind.” With periods that don’t belong, with words that are not there.

Or “and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.” 2 Cor. 12:21 b-c NET

And you will make it say, “who previously sinned. They need to change their minds. Oh, and they should not practice sins like.... wait, scratch that whole last part. People only need to “change their minds.”

Everyone is a Greek expert these days, because they read it in some devotional on the internet, and that person wh0o wrote it literally never studied Greek, either.

Thanks Angela, but discounting my experience of Greek doesn’t prove you right. I could say more, but you’re battling against Concordances now to favor your doctrine. I’m sorry to say this, but I’ve noticed you’re unwilling to accept your own blind spots instead you point to your classes in learning Greek to prove yourself correct. In this you place yourself above other Holy Spirit lead people. Plenty of people know the Greek better than you and believe differently. Are they also incorrect? Thanks for taking the time to comment, but I don’t at all agree with you. May Holy Spirit lead us both into greater truth.

 

[UnderGrace]

Interesting I said the much the same thing on another thread.

Truth sure has a way.

The issue is that repent is a Latin religious word. And people create their own definitions for it. The word repent is from the idea re-penance. But that’s not what the Greek teaches. The Greek is meta-noia. It means change-thought. It’s focal point is looking forward not looking backward. Taking the Greek into account, if we are looking backward still we haven’t actually “repented”. In my experience, it’s cults that are unwilling to admit they might be incorrect. And ignoring the actual languages and meanings for their traditional doctrines. Another way to spot a cult, is how angry they get when you kick over their tradition lead idols.

 

[LW97]

Interesting I said the much the same thing on another thread.

Truth sure has a way.

AMEN! Correct!

 

[preacher4truth]

The only way ppl are free is in Christ. You are the guys that are saying man's not totally dead in sin, as his will is free. HE CAN CHOOSE!!! Yet the bible avers something entirely different.

Man is not really that wicked, just misunderstood, according to the other side of the debate.

Ppl don't need to repent after they're saved, neither do they need to confess their sins, per your side of the debate.

Ppl do need to feel ashamed of sin. I can't believe I am having this convo with a believer.

When I sin, I feel ashamed. You should, too.

It's all due to their faulty view of both God and man.

 

[blossom68]

I talk to god as if he is my friend when i messed up i do talk to him about it because i wish I did not do whatever it was so therefor I ask to make me stronger to resist ,I also now I am not ashamed I was forgiven for all sin I am the righteousness of god,, but that dont say I can do whatever I want and get away with it that all my sins that I can do what I want now cuz god forgives so I can do anything the world is doing because god forgives me no thats not how it works

 

[SovereignGrace]

Thanks Angela, but discounting my experience of Greek doesn’t prove you right. I could say more, but you’re battling against Concordances now to favor your doctrine. I’m sorry to say this, but I’ve noticed you’re unwilling to accept your own blind spots instead you point to your classes in learning Greek to prove yourself correct. In this you place yourself above other Holy Spirit lead people. Plenty of people know the Greek better than you and believe differently. Are they also incorrect? Thanks for taking the time to comment, but I don’t at all agree with you. May Holy Spirit lead us both into greater truth.

So, if you don't know calculus, by using your logic here, the professor would not know more about calculus than you do.

 

[Cee]

All I am saying is that true repentance is from a Godly sorrow. Only a Godly sorrow will lead to repentance, which is a change of mind. God must first wrought grace into their heart, before a change of mind takes place.

Then why does Scripture say it’s the goodness and kindness of God that leads to repentance?

And why did Jesus say repent for the Kingdom is at hand (in front of you), where was the sorrow that lead them to repentance?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Then why does Scripture say it’s the goodness and kindness of God that leads to repentance?

And why did Jesus say repent for the Kingdom is at hand (in front of you), where was the sorrow that lead them to repentance?

It is God's goodness and kindness that leads ppl to repent. It is wrought via a Godly sorrow. You can't pit scripture v. scripture and expect your hermeneutic to hold true.

You are missing my point. I am not saying repent(ance) is not a change of mind. But God must first wrought grace into their heart. A change in the heart via God's grace also changes the mind. But it starts in the heart first.

 

[preacher4truth]

Thanks Angela, but discounting my experience of Greek doesn’t prove you right. I could say more, but you’re battling against Concordances now to favor your doctrine. I’m sorry to say this, but I’ve noticed you’re unwilling to accept your own blind spots instead you point to your classes in learning Greek to prove yourself correct. In this you place yourself above other Holy Spirit lead people. Plenty of people know the Greek better than you and believe differently. Are they also incorrect? Thanks for taking the time to comment, but I don’t at all agree with you. May Holy Spirit lead us both into greater truth.

In other words you're unteachable.

You're in so much error biblically but will not be corrected by contextual Scripture interpretation. You don't like that, instead you implement verses out of context to arrive at your bad teachings.

You're one of the most haughty and unteachable persons on here, yet nearly always take scripture out of context. Please don't go blaming that nonsense on being "led." You really should listen to Angela53510, she can help lead you out of your error if you'd stop playing fanboy to those who like your errant laden posts and actually listen for once.

 

[preacher4truth]

So, if you don't know calculus, by using your logic here, the professor would not know more about calculus than you do.

That's what trips me on these that say they'll go research or learn. After their alleged research of the unknown they come back learning nothing and having all the answers as if they knew it all along. The epitome of arrogance.

 

[UnderGrace]

I can agree with most of this, still pondering the pre-eminent grace doctrine though.

It is God's goodness and kindness that leads ppl to repent. It is wrought via a Godly sorrow. You can't pit scripture v. scripture and expect your hermeneutic to hold true.

You are missing my point. I am not saying repent(ance) is not a change of mind. But God must first wrought grace into their heart. A change in the heart via God's grace also changes the mind. But it starts in the heart first.

 

[Cee]

It is God's goodness and kindness that leads ppl to repent. It is wrought via a Godly sorrow. You can't pit scripture v. scripture and expect your hermeneutic to hold true.

You are missing my point. I am not saying repent(ance) is not a change of mind. But God must first wrought grace into their heart. A change in the heart via God's grace also changes the mind. But it starts in the heart first.

You are doing exactly what you say I am. You are reading every Scripture from the lens of sorrow. And I am reading them all from the actual Greek meaning. Sorrow is not the function of God’s goodness! You take clear simple Scripture to interpret complex ones.

God’s goodness and kindness leads to repentance. This is super simple and clear. So you start here. He causes us to turn to Him.

Paul’s letter causes sorrow and as a result they turned to God.

Jesus said repent for the Kingdom is in front of you. No mention of goodness and kindness or sorrow here.

But in just these 3 examples we see the common theme of turning to God.

So repentance or metanoia is a change of mind about God. Look up the Scriptures about “renewing of the mind”, notice a similarity there? Renewing or changing the mind, sounds a lot like the actual definition of the Greek word for repentance.

In fact, Jesus had this against the Pharisees (who were sinners), you look in the Scriptures for what you must do, but the Scriptures testify of Me. They point to Him. So He was telling them to turn to Him from their works. Repentance.

Jesus told His disciples they would be a WITNESS to Him. A witness points to something. Our lives invite people to turn to God.

Scripture also says when we turn to Him, we behold Him, and our eyes are opened. The veil is removed. Because He is the Lord of freedom, but those won’t turn to Him are still blinded. Notice the focus of seeing Him here also.

Not understanding what repentance is (metanoia) is what’s keeping people in bondage because they aren’t turning to Him. They turn back to their fig leaves of religion and hide in the bushes, because they still think they’re naked.

But whom the Son sets free is free indeed. Are people free or just kinda free?

 

[SovereignGrace]

And I am reading them all from the actual Greek meaning.

Suuuuuuure!!!! How can you do this when you previously stated...

Thanks Angela, but discounting my experience of Greek doesn’t prove you right.

Huh?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Cee, this is from Merriam-Webster's website...


Definition of metanoia
--a transformative change of heart; especially : a spiritual conversion

As I previously stated, it not just a change in the mind that takes place. Its a change in the heart, and this is done by God unilaterally working grace into their heart.


From dictionary.com...

--a profound, usually spiritual, transformation; conversion.

From thefreedictionary.com

--a fundamental change in character or outlook, esp repentance


And lastly from Strong's...

--a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done


You can not divorce a change of the mind from repentance.

 

[SovereignGrace]

In other words you're unteachable.

You're in so much error biblically but will not be corrected by contextual Scripture interpretation. You don't like that, instead you implement verses out of context to arrive at your bad teachings.

You're one of the most haughty and unteachable persons on here, yet nearly always take scripture out of context. Please don't go blaming that nonsense on being "led." You really should listen to Angela53510, she can help lead you out of your error if you'd stop playing fanboy to those who like your errant laden posts and actually listen for once.

Christians don't need to confess their sins when they sin, neither do they need to repent of them. And now you know why the church is such the hot mess it is now.

Unsound biblical teaching begets more unsound biblical teaching begets more unsound biblical teaching begets more unsound biblical teaching...

Heresy is like Lay's tater chips, you can't have just one.

 

[SovereignGrace]

That's what trips me on these that say they'll go research or learn. After their alleged research of the unknown they come back learning nothing and having all the answers as if they knew it all along. The epitome of arrogance.

Enjoy your trip?

 

[preston39]

Christians don't need to confess their sins when they sin, neither do they need to repent of them. .......

S....,

Explain with scripture guidance..(not your philosophy) please.

 

[SovereignGrace]

S....,

Explain with scripture guidance..(not your philosophy) please.

I am saying that's what those I am debating are espousing, not me. I believe even believers need to repent of their sins and confess them.

Psalm 51 and Romans 7 are two examples of BELIEVERS confessing their sins while repenting of them at the same time.

 

[SovereignGrace]

S....,

Explain with scripture guidance..(not your philosophy) please.

I don't use philosophy, FYI. I use the word.