My THIGH thoughts...

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OneFaith

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There is an interesting oath ritual in the Old Testament. “Put your hand under my thigh.” Knowing the physical things in the Old Testament represent spiritual meanings in the New Testament, I pondered what this could mean. Here are my thoughts...

When an Israelite wife cheated on her husband, she developed an itchy rash between her thighs. (Stay with me). The rash was physical proof that what she does in secret is put down her front that she shows to people. She acts righteous in front of people, but it is all for show, she is not a righteous person. So the person in the oath who has the thigh represents a person who is righteous whether their deeds are seen by men or not. Thus ‘clean thigh’ equals righteous to the core.

Which lead me to the hand under the thigh. Sometimes when my hands are cold I sit on them. I put them under my thighs right by my knees. Two things occured to me here- one is I am in a sitting position. An authoritative sitting position is a throne so-to-speak. Abraham’s righteousness was not his own, it was God’s (all sin). So taking an oath on God’s behalf means “His Will be done.”

The second thing that occurred to me is I have to be the one in control to tell my hands to go under my thighs- my hands obey- meaning the person with their hand under the righteous person’s thigh is subordinate, serving the other. Just as Abraham can tell his own hand to go under his thigh, he can tell his servant’s hand to go under his thigh- that is a completely faithful servant.

And now it makes much more sense to me when it says Abraham’s servant put his hand under Abraham’s thigh and said he would find a wife for his son Isaac. Every spiritual thing has to have a physical representation from the Old Testament. So it makes sense to me now.

Your thoughts?
 

blue_ladybug

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This is a kinky sounding title.. I foresee this thread taking a sexual turn sooner or later.. :p LOL
 

blue_ladybug

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Oh and when the Israelite wife cheated, more than likely the rash appeared as a result of an STD....
 

OneFaith

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This is a kinky sounding title.. I foresee this thread taking a sexual turn sooner or later.. :p LOL

I’m hoping so-called Christians will exercise the maturity that the Bible also requires. If we can talk about circumcision and not about the thigh- that is pathetic. We should have the maturity to talk about anything that the Bible talks about.
 

OneFaith

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Oh and when the Israelite wife cheated, more than likely the rash appeared as a result of an STD....
Agreed. They didn’t know about such things back then.
 
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Miri

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There is an interesting oath ritual in the Old Testament. “Put your hand under my thigh.” Knowing the physical things in the Old Testament represent spiritual meanings in the New Testament, I pondered what this could mean. Here are my thoughts...

When an Israelite wife cheated on her husband, she developed an itchy rash between her thighs. (Stay with me). The rash was physical proof that what she does in secret is put down her front that she shows to people. She acts righteous in front of people, but it is all for show, she is not a righteous person. So the person in the oath who has the thigh represents a person who is righteous whether their deeds are seen by men or not. Thus ‘clean thigh’ equals righteous to the core.

Which lead me to the hand under the thigh. Sometimes when my hands are cold I sit on them. I put them under my thighs right by my knees. Two things occured to me here- one is I am in a sitting position. An authoritative sitting position is a throne so-to-speak. Abraham’s righteousness was not his own, it was God’s (all sin). So taking an oath on God’s behalf means “His Will be done.”

The second thing that occurred to me is I have to be the one in control to tell my hands to go under my thighs- my hands obey- meaning the person with their hand under the righteous person’s thigh is subordinate, serving the other. Just as Abraham can tell his own hand to go under his thigh, he can tell his servant’s hand to go under his thigh- that is a completely faithful servant.

And now it makes much more sense to me when it says Abraham’s servant put his hand under Abraham’s thigh and said he would find a wife for his son Isaac. Every spiritual thing has to have a physical representation from the Old Testament. So it makes sense to me now.

Your thoughts?

Oh my, how so wrong and funny can you get. Lol

Take a look at these verse and have another go.

Genesis 47:29 NKJV
[29] When the time drew near that Israel must die, he called his son Joseph and
said to him, "Now if I have found favor in your sight, please put your hand under
my thigh, and deal kindly and truly with me. Please do not bury me in Egypt,

Some cultures raise their hand to take an oath, others say things like hand on heart,
others say I swear on my mothers life etc etc.

The thigh was just the custom of the day in that part of the world.

Interestly God touched Jacobs hip or thigh depending on translation as
a sign of an oath or covenant. I don’t think God slept with anyone do you!


Genesis 32:24-28 NKJV
[24] Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until
the breaking of day. [25] Now when He saw that He did not prevail
against him, He touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of
Jacob's hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him. [26] And He
said, "Let Me go, for the day breaks." But he said, "I will not let You
go unless You bless me!" [27] So He said to him, "What is your
name?" He said, "Jacob." [28] And He said, "Your name shall no
longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God
and with men, and have prevailed."
 

blue_ladybug

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You beat me to it. I was just gonna ask someone to post that verse so I could see it in context.. :)


Oh my, how so wrong and funny can you get. Lol

Take a look at these verse and have another go.

Genesis 47:29 NKJV
[29] When the time drew near that Israel must die, he called his son Joseph and
said to him, "Now if I have found favor in your sight, please put your hand under
my thigh, and deal kindly and truly with me. Please do not bury me in Egypt,

Some cultures raise their hand to take an oath, others say things like hand on heart,
others say I swear on my mothers life etc etc.

The thigh was just the custom of the day in that part of the world.

Interestly God touched Jacobs hip or thigh depending on translation as
a sign of an oath or covenant. I don’t think God slept with anyone do you!


Genesis 32:24-28 NKJV
[24] Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until
the breaking of day. [25] Now when He saw that He did not prevail
against him, He touched the socket of his hip; and the socket of
Jacob's hip was out of joint as He wrestled with him. [26] And He
said, "Let Me go, for the day breaks." But he said, "I will not let You
go unless You bless me!" [27] So He said to him, "What is your
name?" He said, "Jacob." [28] And He said, "Your name shall no
longer be called Jacob, but Israel; for you have struggled with God
and with men, and have prevailed."
 
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Tinuviel

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So you're absolutely right in the fact that there was some servitude in it. you were submitting to what they said, your hand (actions) were under them. But there was kind of more to it, and I'm trying to figure out how to say this without getting banned :eek: lol. It's a euphemism. Abraham would be like saying "Swear by my manhood that you will do this." Pretty common custom of the time. I have also heard that for Abraham and those of the tribes of Israel it would have been like swearing on the Bible as we do today, because circumcision was God's covenant seal. Also, by laying your hand on the thigh, he was swearing not only to Abraham, but to his seed. Anyway, you can look it up but those are the insights I've gleaned from different historians and theologians.
 
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There is an interesting oath ritual in the Old Testament. “Put your hand under my thigh.” Knowing the physical things in the Old Testament represent spiritual meanings in the New Testament, I pondered what this could mean. Here are my thoughts...

When an Israelite wife cheated on her husband, she developed an itchy rash between her thighs. (Stay with me). The rash was physical proof that what she does in secret is put down her front that she shows to people. She acts righteous in front of people, but it is all for show, she is not a righteous person. So the person in the oath who has the thigh represents a person who is righteous whether their deeds are seen by men or not. Thus ‘clean thigh’ equals righteous to the core.

Which lead me to the hand under the thigh. Sometimes when my hands are cold I sit on them. I put them under my thighs right by my knees. Two things occured to me here- one is I am in a sitting position. An authoritative sitting position is a throne so-to-speak. Abraham’s righteousness was not his own, it was God’s (all sin). So taking an oath on God’s behalf means “His Will be done.”

The second thing that occurred to me is I have to be the one in control to tell my hands to go under my thighs- my hands obey- meaning the person with their hand under the righteous person’s thigh is subordinate, serving the other. Just as Abraham can tell his own hand to go under his thigh, he can tell his servant’s hand to go under his thigh- that is a completely faithful servant.

And now it makes much more sense to me when it says Abraham’s servant put his hand under Abraham’s thigh and said he would find a wife for his son Isaac. Every spiritual thing has to have a physical representation from the Old Testament. So it makes sense to me now.

Your thoughts?
I didn't get it either, so I actually researched what biblical scholars said about it. (Five well-known scholars too, so I'm not making this up.) Now, how to post this without getting banned for language?

What was the driving force with the men of God in the Bible? Think of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, David, and Solomon. Heirs! They needed sons.

And how did they get sons? Sperm!

And where did sperm come from? (And that is where I could get stuck on language.)

Honestly? When the men were making pledges and receiving their inheritance from their fathers, they were placing their hands on the most intimate part of their father's/master's anatomy. Thigh, yes, but but more specifically they were placing their hands on the father's/master's "sperm-maker."

Gross in this day and age, but very much a part of the culture back then.
 
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Depleted

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So you're absolutely right in the fact that there was some servitude in it. you were submitting to what they said, your hand (actions) were under them. But there was kind of more to it, and I'm trying to figure out how to say this without getting banned :eek: lol. It's a euphemism. Abraham would be like saying "Swear by my manhood that you will do this." Pretty common custom of the time. I have also heard that for Abraham and those of the tribes of Israel it would have been like swearing on the Bible as we do today, because circumcision was God's covenant seal. Also, by laying your hand on the thigh, he was swearing not only to Abraham, but to his seed. Anyway, you can look it up but those are the insights I've gleaned from different historians and theologians.
LOL Glad to see I wasn't the only one trying hard to NOT say what comes to mind instantly. lol
 
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Tinuviel

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I didn't get it either, so I actually researched what biblical scholars said about it. (Five well-known scholars too, so I'm not making this up.) Now, how to post this without getting banned for language?

What was the driving force with the men of God in the Bible? Think of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, David, and Solomon. Heirs! They needed sons.

And how did they get sons? Sperm!

And where did sperm come from? (And that is where I could get stuck on language.)

Honestly? When the men were making pledges and receiving their inheritance from their fathers, they were placing their hands on the most intimate part of their father's/master's anatomy. Thigh, yes, but but more specifically they were placing their hands on the father's/master's "sperm-maker."

Gross in this day and age, but very much a part of the culture back then.
Lol...that's almost exactly what I said :p

Look up the entomology sometime on the word "testify." same root.
 
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Tinuviel

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LOL Glad to see I wasn't the only one trying hard to NOT say what comes to mind instantly. lol
This situation only get's funnier :D. Two of us here seems superfluous, so I'm exiting the forum ;)
 

oldhermit

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There are two such examples in the book of Genesis chapters 24 and 47 and both cases are connected with the making of a covenant between two parties. The hand on the thigh represented loyalty and devotion to the will of the master and acceptance of the commitment according to the conditions of the task. Also in both incidences, there is the calling upon God as a witness to the agreement. This appeals to God to witness against me if I do not remain faithful to my task.
 

BenFTW

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Lol...that's almost exactly what I said :p

Look up the entomology sometime on the word "testify." same root.
Oh boy, I could see that. Googled it, yep... Testify comes from the latin word for testicle. I laughed out loud. :p