NIV, RSV & ASV: The Anti-christ bibles identified by Amazing Discoveries

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eternally-gratefull

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No, but your chances of correct understanding substantially increase if you do.
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Amen. Because all english bibles have errors in translation, or are not "completely translated" The hebrew and greek takes us to a deeper understanding, and helps us weed out the erros of the english text.

One can use an english bible (with an open mind) and see the errors, or interpret correctly. But it never helps to use the tools God gives us.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Amen. Because all english bibles have errors in translation, or are not "completely translated" The hebrew and greek takes us to a deeper understanding, and helps us weed out the erros of the english text.

One can use an english bible (with an open mind) and see the errors, or interpret correctly. But it never helps to use the tools God gives us.
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grateful- I'm sure you meant to say it always helps or that in never helps to ignore.
 
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AnandHya" Do humans have a choice to rebel against God? Have Angels rebelled against God's laws? Yes, and Yes.
the facts speak for themselves. Demons are demons because they BROKE God's Spiritual laws. Scripture does not say that. It says that the angels that rebelled were evicted from heaven and are not locked in chains. LOCKED IN CHAINS. Unless God changed His mind (God changes not) and He let them out early, they are STILL LOCKED and therefore canNOT be the entities that we fight against. Use your common sense! See that scripture does NOT support any angels BECOMING demons!
they are criminals. why do you try and paint them as God appointed spiritual police? they are NOT. Yes they are! Scripture tells us that God created evil for His purposes. Why can't YOU READ IT?? Is 45:7
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[Satan can only kill IF God allows it. What don't you get? Scripture says that he goes about seeking whom he can kill. "[/color]1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" I don't know if you realize this or not, but if you have been devoured...you are DEAD.​
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AH: Spiritually dead yes not always physically dead.demons feast on the lies and deceptions in men. So what? what they feast on is irrelelvent to this topic creation, yes...and made in His image too. But that does not negate the FACT that those that are not saved belong to the Lord: which Lord are you referring to? Jesus or Satan in this statement? Those not saved belong to Satan: John 8: 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 6:39 "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day." John 17:9 "I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; "John 17:12[/SIZE]
"While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." John 17:24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am..."[/left]
there is a difference between temptation of the flesh and temptation of demons. Not really. It is ALL spiritual. Scripture tells us to RESIST THE ENEMY and HE shall flee. They flesh cannot flee. Bottom line.
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bottom line is that you like to blur lines that should not be blurred. There is nothing blurred here, other than your ego.
the flesh can't flee so there is a difference between how you war the flesh and how you war demons. anyways i have to go to work. i'll back to this if I get a chance. We DO NOT WAR THE FLESH Eph 6: 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.[/LEFT]
 
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ChristianTalk

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Answer this question:-Do I need to understand Hebrew and Greek to have a correct understanding of the Bible? Yes or No?
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You don't even need the Bible to PREACH the gospel message but if your going to teach or hold a theological position you better have some knowledge of the original language. Don't just believe what people tell you in church. Check out the details through different biblical scholars.
 
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Laodicea

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ChristianTalk said:
You don't even need the Bible to PREACH the gospel message but if your going to teach or hold a theological position you better have some knowledge of the original language. Don't just believe what people tell you in church. Check out the details through different biblical scholars.
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I asked for a Yes or No answer, are you afraid to answer?
 
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Laodicea

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distinctiveministry said:
No, but your chances of correct understanding substantially increase if you do.
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That is true the answer is No and as we study the word understanding of it comes through this.
Luke 24:45
(45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
John 7:17
(17) If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

The Pharisees had a good knowledge of the scriptures but, they did not understand them they missed the point but, people who did not have the education of the Pharisees the disciples who were willing to follow Christ God opened their understanding



 
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I asked for a Yes or No answer, are you afraid to answer?
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Don't try and ask me a loaded question. I'm not some average bible reading person who doesn't know better. I answered your question above. Why don't you go over my answer again since you have a hard time understanding it.
 
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ChristianTalk

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Laodicea said:
That is true the answer is No and as we study the word understanding of it comes through this.
Luke 24:45
(45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
John 7:17
(17) If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

The Pharisees had a good knowledge of the scriptures but, they did not understand them they missed the point but, people who did not have the education of the Pharisees the disciples who were willing to follow Christ God opened their understanding



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Are you kidding again? Paul wrote more then half of the N.T. and he was a Pharisee who was above his brethren in knowledge. He was very educated. Wow you need to really study better.
 
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Laodicea said:
That is true the answer is No and as we study the word understanding of it comes through this.
Luke 24:45
(45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
John 7:17
(17) If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

The Pharisees had a good knowledge of the scriptures but, they did not understand them they missed the point but, people who did not have the education of the Pharisees the disciples who were willing to follow Christ God opened their understanding



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The other point you don't understand is that Paul had to write letters of instruction and letters of doctrine because they didn't know and understand. If what you said was true then Paul could have just sat back and said "hey God give them understanding!" But he didn't because he knew that they needed teachers to help them understand the truth. Read his letters better.
 
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Laodicea said:
Answer this question:-Do I need to understand Hebrew and Greek to have a correct understanding of the Bible? Yes or No?
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no but you need to understand hebrew and greek to translate the bible...and to evaluate bible translations for accuracy...
 
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Laodicea

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ChristianTalk said:
Don't try and ask me a loaded question. I'm not some average bible reading person who doesn't know better. I answered your question above. Why don't you go over my answer again since you have a hard time understanding it.
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Is it to hard a question for you? Maybe I can make it easier for you? How hard is Yes or No?
 
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no but you need to understand hebrew and greek to translate the bible...and to evaluate bible translations for accuracy...
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There is no need to translate the Bible. Tell me do you agree with this verse
Matthew 17:21
(21) Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.


 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Laodicea said:
There is no need to translate the Bible. Tell me do you agree with this verse
Matthew 17:21
(21) Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
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there is a need to translate the bible into languages people understand...and there is a need to evaluate different bible translations to see which one is best...

no i don't agree with that so called 'scripture'...it was not originally in the bible... it was added later...probably by some monk who wanted the bible to validate the monastic obsession with endless fasting and prayers...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
there is a need to translate the bible into languages people understand...and there is a need to evaluate different bible translations to see which one is best...

no i don't agree with that so called 'scripture'... it was not originally in the bible...it was added later...probably by some monk who wanted the bible to validate the monastic obsession with endless prayer and fasting...
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So you don't agree with prayer and fasting? Do you agree with this verse?
Matthew 18:11
(11) For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
there is a need to translate the bible into languages people understand...and there is a need to evaluate different bible translations to see which one is best...

no i don't agree with that so called 'scripture'...it was not originally in the bible... it was added later...probably by some monk who wanted the bible to validate the monastic obsession with endless fasting and prayers...
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How do you know that, reference please?
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Laodicea said:
So you don't agree with prayer and fasting? Do you agree with this verse?
Matthew 18:11
(11) For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
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i don't believe that prayer and fasting have special anti demonic power...but it was common for the monastics to superstitiously attribute mystical powers to fasting and prayer...

i agree with this next verse in the sense that it is making a true statement...and it is repeated in luke 19:10

but it seems out of place in matthew 18 and it apparently was not originally located there
 
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Hi ChristianTalk,

Sorry but you got it wrong in Luke 3:23 (King James Version)

Out of the original KJV it is said in brackets that Joseph is supposed to be His father but we all know he isn't.

Look at it again,

Luke 3:23 (KJV)
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

If anyone wants to degrade the KJV it will be very foolish because ALL the other modern translations comes from THE KJV.
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And 85% of the KJV comes from the translation of William Tyndale in 1535!!! Hey hows that for a little education?
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
i don't believe that prayer and fasting have special anti demonic power...but it was common for the monastics to superstitiously attribute mystical powers to fasting and prayer...

i agree with this next verse in the sense that it is making a true statement...and it is repeated in luke 19:10

but it seems out of place in matthew 18 and it apparently was not originally located there
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Do you get to pick what you like? because apparently Jesus said it with His own mouth that, that kind of faith to move mountains is possible but with prayer and fasting.
 
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Laodicea

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RachelBibleStudent said:
i don't believe that prayer and fasting have special anti demonic power...but it was common for the monastics to superstitiously attribute mystical powers to fasting and prayer...
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Here are some examples of prayer and fasting do you agree with them?
Esther 4:16
(16) Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.
Isaiah 58:6-7
(6) Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
(7) Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
RachelBibleStudent said:
i agree with this next verse in the sense that it is making a true statement...and it is repeated in luke 19:10

but it seems out of place in matthew 18 and it apparently was not originally located there
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It is not out of place, you are speaking with a bias. Look at these texts tell me which one is correct, it is the same text from two versions only one can be correct cause they say different things.
Revelation 22:14

King James Version (KJV)


14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:14

New International Version (NIV)

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.


Answer this according to the truth in the Bible not according to what you think you know about greek





 
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