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I know it says that there will me no sorrow in heaven. What if we are in heaven and there are some of our loved ones who didn't make it? Will we not be aware of this? Will we know and it won't bother us? I'm interested in hearing others theories or opinions.
I believe all will make it home as both the dead and the living are to the Lord. We must also be aware that while here, we take various roles thoughout our lives. I had a Father according to the flesh. But when he died, he was no longer my father. When I see him again, I will call him my brother. I no longer know him by the flesh. Even the worse of us is no longer known by the flesh. Hitler has a new name and a new body. We will not recognize him as Hitler, just as Jesus' followers did not recognize Him. For God has truly made all things new.
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"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it."
"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me."
"And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment."
Jesus said anyone who loves their family more than him is not worthy of him. We need to face the fact that we might leave our family but God is peace and in his presence there is no pain or suffering because God matters more than family members and more than the world and more than any creation. In the presents of God there is bliss.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it."
"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me."
"And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment."
Jesus said anyone who loves their family more than him is not worthy of him. We need to face the fact that we might leave our family but God is peace and in his presence there is no pain or suffering because God matters more than family members and more than the world and more than any creation. In the presents of God there is bliss.
J
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
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"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
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"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
Romans 8:33-39
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Who is He Lord of?
Romans 14:7-13
7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
What man believes in Jesus?
Romans 12:3
3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
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Now tell me where does that say that the ones who do not accept Jesus into their heart will be saved? Where does it say that Everyone will go to heaven?
"11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
"11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
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"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
9A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
"Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Acts 16:16-19
16And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
17The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
18And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. 19And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,
Will not this spirit be told by Jesus that He never knew him? This spirit told the truth in that Paul and those with him indeed showed the way to salvation. But what was the difference in this spirit which determines truth from error?
J
So you're ignoring the scriptures that you want to ignore and using the scriptures that you want to use?
The bible says "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
How can you misread that? Jesus said clearly that many will go into the way that leads unto destruction and that few will find the way that leads to life.
The bible says "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
How can you misread that? Jesus said clearly that many will go into the way that leads unto destruction and that few will find the way that leads to life.
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Now tell me where does that say that the ones who do not accept Jesus into their heart will be saved? Where does it say that Everyone will go to heaven?
"11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
"11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever is He not? In having all power, what is His Judgement?
John 8:15-18
15Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
16And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Is the Father a man as we know it? The word "man and men" has a few meanings in scripture. Will not Satan die as a man? Who judges according to the flesh? All men are drawn to Jesus and He said all that come to Him, He will in no wise cast out.
J
Jesus was clearly stating that he came not to judge the world but to save the world but the bible is certain that No one can make it to heaven unless they believe in the only begotten son of God. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
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So you're ignoring the scriptures that you want to ignore and using the scriptures that you want to use?
The bible says "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
How can you misread that? Jesus said clearly that many will go into the way that leads unto destruction and that few will find the way that leads to life.
The bible says "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
How can you misread that? Jesus said clearly that many will go into the way that leads unto destruction and that few will find the way that leads to life.
No, not ignoring it; just my understanding of it is different from yours. Does this mean that all will burn who enters in by the wide path? How so? Please show me one verse that says that all who were deceived by the beast will burn? Are these not the ones who entered by the wide path? If so, what hope do we have? The 144,000 are truly the only ones or the "few" who found that narrow gate.
J
So you're telling me that if I decide I want to kill my family. Do drugs, smoke, drink. Have sex before marriage ect.. Than even if I don't accept Jesus as my lord and Saviour and I follow Satan my whole life and never come to repentance than I will go to heaven Anyway? Wow, does that really seem right to you? Jesus said if you aren't for him than you are against him and again anyone who doesn't believe in him is already condemned because he has not believed in the only begotten son of God.