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And you all wonder why people call your way of thinking misogynistic. Your last post has absolutely nothing to do with the issue, at all. You're still sidestepping what this is all about.
Yes, sure, there's a point to be made there- in reality, anyone used by G-d is being used by G-d, and thus G-d deserves the glory. But that holds true whether we're talking about men or women.
We aren't TALKING about glory here. We're talking about whom G-d uses by putting them in positions of authority. And I've seen nothing to change my mind on this. Certainly it IS an unusual position for ANYONE in the Bible, male or female, to be in... able to exert both civil and religious authority. Messiah Himself had no civil authority, at least not in this world, in His first coming. We'd have to look to the Mysteries of the Malchi-tzedek order to find a biblical comparison, I think. And yet, to me, the story clearly states that that's exactly the case with Ester.
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I never told anyone to ignore Paul's writings. I'm really not the book-burning or banning type. I believe we should take our wisdom wherever we can find it, whether we are given it directly from G-d's Word, through mortal flawed men, or even by observing nature. Reading never hurt anybody. I just think it's important to keep things in perspective, that's all. There's an INCREDIBLE amount of wisdom in non-scriptural writings. The Talmud, and the Zohar come to mind. But unless a man is a prophet, (or the scribe of a prophet) his writings are not the Word of G-d.
No, hearing something repeatedly is of no consequence whatsoever. Universal truths are not measured in mass appeal. No, I'm not telling people to ignore anything. In fact, quite the contrary, I think it's time we faced some unpleasant truths, instead of doing scriptural gymnastics to try to make things congruent that are in fact, not. I gave very specific exercises that could prove or disprove what I'm saying, if anyone cared to take a stab at them.
Yes, I do understand it's a big task. That's why I'm in no hurry to repeat it. Nonetheless, the gauntlet is thrown. I invite all those who believe I'm wrong about Paul to partake in exactly that sort of study, which I'm talking about and which I've done. ARE Paul's statements about women and authority echoed elsewhere in the Bible? Or as another exercise, instead of viewing the Bible minus Paul, you could look at ONLY Paul, and see how much (or rather, how little) one would actually know about this fellow "Jesus", His message, His miracles, His resurrection, etc... If they only had Paul to go by.
See, this isn't coming out of nowhere. And it isn't as if I rushed to judgment, or followed what the flesh wants. Like I said, I've made some very uncomfortable decisions, that I didn't necessarily want to make, because of my commitment to adhering to the Bible.
As a matter of fact, come to think of it, I would really appreciate it in the future, if anyone wants to accuse ME of picking and choosing which parts of the Bible I want to follow, if such people (men, I would assume, by the overall theme of this thread? ) would tell me at the same time, how long are the hairs growing from your temple? (Lev 19:27) That way *I* can get an idea of how mature a believer I'm talking to, and how long you have been committed to doing all that G-d asks.
Yes, sure, there's a point to be made there- in reality, anyone used by G-d is being used by G-d, and thus G-d deserves the glory. But that holds true whether we're talking about men or women.
We aren't TALKING about glory here. We're talking about whom G-d uses by putting them in positions of authority. And I've seen nothing to change my mind on this. Certainly it IS an unusual position for ANYONE in the Bible, male or female, to be in... able to exert both civil and religious authority. Messiah Himself had no civil authority, at least not in this world, in His first coming. We'd have to look to the Mysteries of the Malchi-tzedek order to find a biblical comparison, I think. And yet, to me, the story clearly states that that's exactly the case with Ester.
Espresso-
I never told anyone to ignore Paul's writings. I'm really not the book-burning or banning type. I believe we should take our wisdom wherever we can find it, whether we are given it directly from G-d's Word, through mortal flawed men, or even by observing nature. Reading never hurt anybody. I just think it's important to keep things in perspective, that's all. There's an INCREDIBLE amount of wisdom in non-scriptural writings. The Talmud, and the Zohar come to mind. But unless a man is a prophet, (or the scribe of a prophet) his writings are not the Word of G-d.
No, hearing something repeatedly is of no consequence whatsoever. Universal truths are not measured in mass appeal. No, I'm not telling people to ignore anything. In fact, quite the contrary, I think it's time we faced some unpleasant truths, instead of doing scriptural gymnastics to try to make things congruent that are in fact, not. I gave very specific exercises that could prove or disprove what I'm saying, if anyone cared to take a stab at them.
Yes, I do understand it's a big task. That's why I'm in no hurry to repeat it. Nonetheless, the gauntlet is thrown. I invite all those who believe I'm wrong about Paul to partake in exactly that sort of study, which I'm talking about and which I've done. ARE Paul's statements about women and authority echoed elsewhere in the Bible? Or as another exercise, instead of viewing the Bible minus Paul, you could look at ONLY Paul, and see how much (or rather, how little) one would actually know about this fellow "Jesus", His message, His miracles, His resurrection, etc... If they only had Paul to go by.
See, this isn't coming out of nowhere. And it isn't as if I rushed to judgment, or followed what the flesh wants. Like I said, I've made some very uncomfortable decisions, that I didn't necessarily want to make, because of my commitment to adhering to the Bible.
As a matter of fact, come to think of it, I would really appreciate it in the future, if anyone wants to accuse ME of picking and choosing which parts of the Bible I want to follow, if such people (men, I would assume, by the overall theme of this thread? ) would tell me at the same time, how long are the hairs growing from your temple? (Lev 19:27) That way *I* can get an idea of how mature a believer I'm talking to, and how long you have been committed to doing all that G-d asks.
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Women should not speak in the church they should be silent and should definitly not preach.
The bible is very clear on this subject.
I belive it has something to do with the fact that eve ate the apple first and therfore can be decived more easily =P
Although it is okay say- if my mum and I sit down for dinner - wither of us can give thanks out loud as we are not over rulling any male - unless say my brother or dad were to sit down with us - then the male would say grace
The bible is very clear on this subject.
I belive it has something to do with the fact that eve ate the apple first and therfore can be decived more easily =P
Although it is okay say- if my mum and I sit down for dinner - wither of us can give thanks out loud as we are not over rulling any male - unless say my brother or dad were to sit down with us - then the male would say grace
Mobius, you accuse me of getting off the topic, but the topic here is an Office in a Church and if a woman should bibically hold that office, has nothing to do with judges, queens, so you are the one that side stepped the thread, I will make I note here I have never said anything about your typing skills or your english skills, so thank you for pointing this out to me. But just because you can type better than I can, that doesn't give you no right to disobey the Word of God and encourage others to do so as well, Do a study on the lay out of the old testament temple, you will quickly find out that women amd men weren't given the same rights in the House of God even in the bibical days, that you are trying to so hard to prove otherwise.
Ah, but that goes right along with what I'm saying.
It was in ONE of these threads (I'm not sure why we need two) that I challenged my opponents to show us what IS the biblical role of the "church" and its alleged authority over the believers in the first place.
Yes, things were much different in the Temple days, and they will be again when the Temple is rebuilt (Please, G-d, may it be soon!) But there is only one Temple. The modern churches do not equate to the Temple, any more than the synagogues equate to the Temple. There is only one Temple. And throughout the NT, there are very few references to the singular "church" being far outnumbered by references to "churches" which seems to indicate a decentrailzation OF authority.
Indeed, this would seem to go along with the theme that we believers can answer directly to the Holy Spirit, and have a direct relationship with G-d, WITHOUT relying on any sort of clergy to go between us, since we all have the SAME Rabbi who is able to accomplish this for each of us. It seems at best any authority a church has over a believer is a voluntary authority, by virtue of that believer remaining at that church. People change churches all the time.
And you're talking about the very rules that Christianity rejects wholesale. I hope you guys understand this, but I am subject to biblical rebuke only by those following the Bible. I'm not going to let a Muslim or a Hindu quote scripture to tell me I'm wrong, because what do they know about it? Obviously they think the book itself is wrong, since they don't follow it.
Well, it's the same way with (most) Christians and the rules laid forth in the Torah. I don't expect the average Christian to understnnd these rules. If they did understand them, they would obey them. Indeed, in Biblical times, understanding the rules was not even a prerequisite to following them. As the Torah was being given, Israel said with a collective voice "All that the L-rd asks, we will do and we will hear" (paraphrased from Exodus 24:7) saying FIRST that we will DO it, and THEN that we will try to understand it.
So why would I be subject to rebuke through scriptures, by people who don't believe in those scriptures, or at least don't believe that they are applicable to the lives of today's believer?
But all we're doing here is heaping more and more examples on to the pile. I don't feel we've really dealt with the ones we already have. I've given a list of roles and jobs women can not fulfill, if we take Paul's statements as a blanket rule to say that women should never have authority over men. Nobody has really argued against that, so I can only assume that we're in agreement that in at least SOME of those examples I gave, it is acceptable for a woman to have authority over a man.
So we've talked about both civil and religious authority. Among religious authority we must count Miriam and Ester. BUT if we're going to restrict the scope of our discussion to goings on inside the "church" then again, I would ask that we compare these writings of Paul to the scriptures.
Firstly, can we biblically establish that the church (rather than the congregation) has authority over believers? From whence does that authority proceed, AND over whom can the church exert that authority? And then, once we've established a biblical model for church authority, than we can move on to who may exert that authority.
It was in ONE of these threads (I'm not sure why we need two) that I challenged my opponents to show us what IS the biblical role of the "church" and its alleged authority over the believers in the first place.
Yes, things were much different in the Temple days, and they will be again when the Temple is rebuilt (Please, G-d, may it be soon!) But there is only one Temple. The modern churches do not equate to the Temple, any more than the synagogues equate to the Temple. There is only one Temple. And throughout the NT, there are very few references to the singular "church" being far outnumbered by references to "churches" which seems to indicate a decentrailzation OF authority.
Indeed, this would seem to go along with the theme that we believers can answer directly to the Holy Spirit, and have a direct relationship with G-d, WITHOUT relying on any sort of clergy to go between us, since we all have the SAME Rabbi who is able to accomplish this for each of us. It seems at best any authority a church has over a believer is a voluntary authority, by virtue of that believer remaining at that church. People change churches all the time.
And you're talking about the very rules that Christianity rejects wholesale. I hope you guys understand this, but I am subject to biblical rebuke only by those following the Bible. I'm not going to let a Muslim or a Hindu quote scripture to tell me I'm wrong, because what do they know about it? Obviously they think the book itself is wrong, since they don't follow it.
Well, it's the same way with (most) Christians and the rules laid forth in the Torah. I don't expect the average Christian to understnnd these rules. If they did understand them, they would obey them. Indeed, in Biblical times, understanding the rules was not even a prerequisite to following them. As the Torah was being given, Israel said with a collective voice "All that the L-rd asks, we will do and we will hear" (paraphrased from Exodus 24:7) saying FIRST that we will DO it, and THEN that we will try to understand it.
So why would I be subject to rebuke through scriptures, by people who don't believe in those scriptures, or at least don't believe that they are applicable to the lives of today's believer?
But all we're doing here is heaping more and more examples on to the pile. I don't feel we've really dealt with the ones we already have. I've given a list of roles and jobs women can not fulfill, if we take Paul's statements as a blanket rule to say that women should never have authority over men. Nobody has really argued against that, so I can only assume that we're in agreement that in at least SOME of those examples I gave, it is acceptable for a woman to have authority over a man.
So we've talked about both civil and religious authority. Among religious authority we must count Miriam and Ester. BUT if we're going to restrict the scope of our discussion to goings on inside the "church" then again, I would ask that we compare these writings of Paul to the scriptures.
Firstly, can we biblically establish that the church (rather than the congregation) has authority over believers? From whence does that authority proceed, AND over whom can the church exert that authority? And then, once we've established a biblical model for church authority, than we can move on to who may exert that authority.
I Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
I Timoty 2:11-13
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
I Corithians 12: 4-14 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 1
Ephesian 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Ephesians 4:11-16 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
when we read the whole scriptue in it's contents, we will see that Paul was not talking about women only when they are in the Church but also at home. it clearly say " let the woman LEARN IN SILENCE, let her ASK her husband at home," not while they are in Church as to say that us women dont know when or where to speak that we would disrupt the church by asking questions in service,,
as to Women usurping Authority over men..... no it said THE MAN , HER HUSBAND. as in Ephesians 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of GOD 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their OWN husbands in.......
as for women Teaching ; we see in scripture the Holy Spirits gives severaly as He will. and Paul never said wher he suffer not a woman to teach.... because we see that God has appointed many offices in the Body.. teaching is only one out of several, more then 10 gifts that Christ sent to build the church.......and if you put what he said afterwarg, that the man was formed first and he was not the one deceived, as to say that the man is the head,,, but TO HIS OWN WIFE AND THE WOMAN TO HER OWN HUSBAND.... NOT TO EVERY MAN. so we women are not to take the man's role in their household.
Please let us rightly devide the word of truth. to the Glory of God, In the Name of Jesus.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
I Timoty 2:11-13
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
I Corithians 12: 4-14 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 1
Ephesian 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Ephesians 4:11-16 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
when we read the whole scriptue in it's contents, we will see that Paul was not talking about women only when they are in the Church but also at home. it clearly say " let the woman LEARN IN SILENCE, let her ASK her husband at home," not while they are in Church as to say that us women dont know when or where to speak that we would disrupt the church by asking questions in service,,
as to Women usurping Authority over men..... no it said THE MAN , HER HUSBAND. as in Ephesians 5:21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of GOD 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their OWN husbands in.......
as for women Teaching ; we see in scripture the Holy Spirits gives severaly as He will. and Paul never said wher he suffer not a woman to teach.... because we see that God has appointed many offices in the Body.. teaching is only one out of several, more then 10 gifts that Christ sent to build the church.......and if you put what he said afterwarg, that the man was formed first and he was not the one deceived, as to say that the man is the head,,, but TO HIS OWN WIFE AND THE WOMAN TO HER OWN HUSBAND.... NOT TO EVERY MAN. so we women are not to take the man's role in their household.
Please let us rightly devide the word of truth. to the Glory of God, In the Name of Jesus.
well you know you have side stepped the issue again I said the lay out of the temple not the authority of a priest the lay out was made up of different courts there was a gentile court and jewish ladies court , and then the closer you got to the inner court where only the High priest could go was the court for the jewish men then you had a Court of the levi's I believe, but you know if you spell God, G_d then you already knew all this but just stepped right over it cause you can't admit the truth about woman having leader's role in the Church , so Go ahead do what you want you are going to anyhow , If you won't listen the the Word of God and admit as I have pointed out several times that the Holy Ghost will never go against the Word of God and you won't obey His Holy Word, I have not got a clue why I thought I might be able get you to. But I will not be quiet and let you misguide others in here
Mobias,, sometime you make me laugh, you are waisting your time tring to preaach old testament laws to new testament faith christians and as I have seen several times you say the same thing over and over again whan it seems that you walk in darkness or pure ignorants of the grace of God that is in Christ Jesus. and no matter how many times or ways someone explains to you the truth you reject it for something you don't even yourself live by. you have been told over and over again to read new testament concerning the law and you would rather be lost in something that can't save noone. which we are told that there shall come and is already is people in the world tring to Change the Grace of God by tring to teach false doctrine. so give yourself some rest and let it go or get on board and receive the grace of God he so freely give in and through and by Christ Jesus.
Women should not speak in the church they should be silent and should definitly not preach.
The bible is very clear on this subject.
I belive it has something to do with the fact that eve ate the apple first and therfore can be decived more easily =P
Although it is okay say- if my mum and I sit down for dinner - wither of us can give thanks out loud as we are not over rulling any male - unless say my brother or dad were to sit down with us - then the male would say grace
The bible is very clear on this subject.
I belive it has something to do with the fact that eve ate the apple first and therfore can be decived more easily =P
Although it is okay say- if my mum and I sit down for dinner - wither of us can give thanks out loud as we are not over rulling any male - unless say my brother or dad were to sit down with us - then the male would say grace
No, I'm most certainly NOT sidestepping.
Again, there can be MANY churches. There can be no more than ONE Temple at any given time. If you would like to compare the two, in order to say that the rules for the Temple apply to your local church, then the burden is on YOU to show why the two are comparable, and why the rules of the local church should mirror those of the Temple. If you're going to make that argument, I sure hope your local church mirrors ALL the rules of the Temple, not just the parts you agree with.
*I* can't prove that argument For one thing, the rules of logic say that you can't prove a negative. For another thing, it is NOT my position that the local church is the modern equivilent of the Temple. So I'd be making your points for you, were I to do so.
It is NOT my understanding that men sat in front of, or in any way a more prominent position, over women, in the Temple. My understanding is that the layout of modern orthodox synagogues reflects those separations that existed in the Temple, which would make it side-by-side, not front and back. Once in a while, separate-but-equal actually IS.
You're absolutely right, scripture will never conflict with scripture, G-d will never contradict His own Word, and the Spirit of Holiness will never lead one away from any of these things (although there are many deceiving spirits, that will).
Which is exactly why we need to deal with this conflict. Paul alone puts women in a subservient role.
You keep wanting to bring Judaism into it, but women are most certainly NOT subservient in Judaism. In fact, Jews have a saying, that Havah (Eve) was not made from Adam's head, that she should rule over him, nor from his feet, that she would serve beneath him, but from his rib, that she would serve G-d beside him, as his partner and friend.
In fact, Jewish tradition holds that Adam was not even a "male" when created. Scripture records that Adam was made in G-d's image, and of course since G-d does not need any other element in order to create life (as both male and female need one another), we know that "He" is not REALLY a male. Likewise, neither was Adam, who was made in G-d's image.
"Male AND Female, He created them." The story goes that Adam was only made into a male, when the female element, Havah, or Eve, was taken out of him. So that far from being "lesser people" and "greater people," men and women are actually imcomplete people... this is also where we get euphemisms like one's "other half" or the more flattering "better half."
Again, there can be MANY churches. There can be no more than ONE Temple at any given time. If you would like to compare the two, in order to say that the rules for the Temple apply to your local church, then the burden is on YOU to show why the two are comparable, and why the rules of the local church should mirror those of the Temple. If you're going to make that argument, I sure hope your local church mirrors ALL the rules of the Temple, not just the parts you agree with.
*I* can't prove that argument For one thing, the rules of logic say that you can't prove a negative. For another thing, it is NOT my position that the local church is the modern equivilent of the Temple. So I'd be making your points for you, were I to do so.
It is NOT my understanding that men sat in front of, or in any way a more prominent position, over women, in the Temple. My understanding is that the layout of modern orthodox synagogues reflects those separations that existed in the Temple, which would make it side-by-side, not front and back. Once in a while, separate-but-equal actually IS.
You're absolutely right, scripture will never conflict with scripture, G-d will never contradict His own Word, and the Spirit of Holiness will never lead one away from any of these things (although there are many deceiving spirits, that will).
Which is exactly why we need to deal with this conflict. Paul alone puts women in a subservient role.
You keep wanting to bring Judaism into it, but women are most certainly NOT subservient in Judaism. In fact, Jews have a saying, that Havah (Eve) was not made from Adam's head, that she should rule over him, nor from his feet, that she would serve beneath him, but from his rib, that she would serve G-d beside him, as his partner and friend.
In fact, Jewish tradition holds that Adam was not even a "male" when created. Scripture records that Adam was made in G-d's image, and of course since G-d does not need any other element in order to create life (as both male and female need one another), we know that "He" is not REALLY a male. Likewise, neither was Adam, who was made in G-d's image.
"Male AND Female, He created them." The story goes that Adam was only made into a male, when the female element, Havah, or Eve, was taken out of him. So that far from being "lesser people" and "greater people," men and women are actually imcomplete people... this is also where we get euphemisms like one's "other half" or the more flattering "better half."
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Ok I'll bite , you say that there can only be one temple , but Jesus saith while the temple was intact destroy this temple and I will raise it up in three days, Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Living God, that is not just you, one you, one temple but this implies every believer, is a temple of God so you say there is only one temple so who do we believe the Bible that there are many temples/ many believers or you whos says just one temple????
vanity, vanity... A foolish man builds his house upon the sand. You cannot expect to grasp the deeper truths in the Bible, without a firm foundation at the very beginning of His Word "In the beginning, G-d created the heavens and the Earth."
And it would be foolish of me to expect anyone to have a firm foundation in scripture, if they do not believe that "Man does not live on bread alone but on EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of G-d."
And it would be foolish of me to expect anyone to have a firm foundation in scripture, if they do not believe that "Man does not live on bread alone but on EVERY WORD that proceeds from the mouth of G-d."
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