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i read through all 244 uses of this word in the NT and i only saw about 8 or 9 where i could legitimately replace the word 'believe' with 'obey' and the scripture still make any sense. but within the greater contexts those wouldn't make sense either. mostly they were phrases like ".. to you who have believed" where it was plausible that someone might describe the same people as "you who have obeyed"
-- not that it read to me as though that would be a legitimate or accurate translation anywhere, just that that would be a plausible thing to be written instead of what's actually written.
We don't know FRAN?....other than the fact that it is whittled down to 2 and the 1 in the NEW Covenant....but hey....let's conflate everything into some working for, not saved yet, I have to help JESUS because he is too weak to keep his promises and or word dogma.........
The was the original Opening Post, back on page #1.
Now we've had 3700 pages of argumentation.
3700 pages of disagreement!!
3700 pages of argumentation can ONLY MEAN one thing, that dcontroversal is WRONG!
lots of Christians living in a fallen postmodern world have really terrible doctrine because most of the modern churches they attend have strayed so far from the Bible that they spout utterly non-biblical doctrine coming from utterly terrible teachers who will say almost anything just to fill up the coffers and make a quick buck... and... people are generally too lazy or ambivalent about spiritual things to do any serious study on their own which might just possibly contradict their own pastor who has really really really great hair.
You are insisting on you are to KEEP you False Gospel, are you NOT?
The Ten Commandments were HIGHER than a MAN can KEEP them PERFECTLY. There purpose was to PROVE TO SINFUL MAN that he could not KEEP THEM, therefore man needed a MESSIAH to keep them FOR THE SINNER.
James 2:10 (CSBBible)
10 For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT PERFECTLY OR YOU ARE GUILTY OF THE WHOLE LAW.
ONLY JESUS KEPT IT PERFECTLY, and then we can inherit HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
But INSTEAD you are Trying to KEEP the LAW PERFECTLY, just like a Modern Day Pharisee, you lowered GOD's STANDARD, to a level you THINK you can KEEP. Do you even say to yourself, "Look how Holy I am." Do not hurt your arm, trying to pat yourself on the back. You are a SINNER by GOD's STANDARD.
Romans 4:13 (GWT)
13 So it was not by obeying Moses' Teachings that Abraham or his descendants received the promise that he would inherit the world. Rather, it was through God's approval of his faith.
Galatians 2:16 (ASV)
16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:24-26 (ESV)
24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
Galatians 3:10-11 (ESV)
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
I love math.....done grade 12 algebra at age 7.....used it a lot in Machine shop figuring bolt hole patterns and where to move on my x and y axis.......but since I have retired and use a calculator I have gotten lazy with my math and funny thing....use it or lose it rings true for any number of things