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Why nobody can ever just give a simple yes or no answer? 
ONE word. YES or NO.
ONE word. YES or NO.
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If anyone says that they dont sin what they are engaging in is REDEFINITION of the terms.
Meaning they are redefining what sin is, and thats how they "get away with it".
I know some people who would NEVER watch filth on TV or internet, who would NEVER for no amount of money take a puff on a cigarette, wouldnt drink a beer, wouldnt fornicate, buddy they wouldnt do this and they wouldnt do that..... BUT they are so mean to their wives and family members.
Oy vey!
They are backslid and dont even know about it
Meaning they are redefining what sin is, and thats how they "get away with it".
I know some people who would NEVER watch filth on TV or internet, who would NEVER for no amount of money take a puff on a cigarette, wouldnt drink a beer, wouldnt fornicate, buddy they wouldnt do this and they wouldnt do that..... BUT they are so mean to their wives and family members.
Oy vey!
They are backslid and dont even know about it
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hmm..
it was "a span long" rather than "the span" -- span in the sense of the full breadth would be in a singular sense, i think, tho if we consider hell to occupy a three dimensional space, it ((the totally not an actual quote)) could be taken to mean that babies 'span' the volume of hell in the x direction, but not in y or z.. which is to say, we don't have stacked babies there, but babies laid end-to-end
but it seems to me that the language indicates we're talking about an arbitrary span, not a particular span, so the other definition of span, being a unit of distance, is a more natural choice of interpretation. if that's the case, the question remains whether it is saying that all babies in hell are approx. 9" long, or if there is just one baby in hell, at most 2, because unless they were premies, it's hard to imagine fitting any more than that in a breadth of less than a foot.
it was "a span long" rather than "the span" -- span in the sense of the full breadth would be in a singular sense, i think, tho if we consider hell to occupy a three dimensional space, it ((the totally not an actual quote)) could be taken to mean that babies 'span' the volume of hell in the x direction, but not in y or z.. which is to say, we don't have stacked babies there, but babies laid end-to-end
but it seems to me that the language indicates we're talking about an arbitrary span, not a particular span, so the other definition of span, being a unit of distance, is a more natural choice of interpretation. if that's the case, the question remains whether it is saying that all babies in hell are approx. 9" long, or if there is just one baby in hell, at most 2, because unless they were premies, it's hard to imagine fitting any more than that in a breadth of less than a foot.
MAYBE we sin daily? I don't think so. I KNOW we sin daily.
i meant, 'maybe' is sometimes why people can't give simple yes/no answers.
i could, for example, point at Romans 7:20 and make a big deal about who is the "real" me, the eternal me of the new creation in Him, the part that endures - the "me" that will remain is without sin, hidden in Him, but the "me" that is put to death, that i am to consider dead, is the "me" that sins. the corpse-tent i dwell in here on earth, that, being subject to the law of sin and death, sins, and dies. i could go in circles around it for many paragraphs and muddle up an answer that eventually distills down to the reconciliation of Romans 7:20 and 1 John 1:8 without ever explicitly stating it, like hiding the simple confession under a pile of words.
honestly tho, i ought to just confess it: yes, daily, and with brutal honesty, moment by moment. because, i can take 'all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' to give me a definition of sin, 'to fall short of the glory of God' and there is nary a millisecond that goes by i do not match His glory. in that sense, i've never done anything but sin - and any good that has ever been in me, even for a second, isn't me, but Christ dwelling in me!
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i meant to say yesterday, but got caught up doing other things --
Bill, i love how succinctly you put all this. and i was thinking, wow, look back a year ago, and would you have put all this down so concisely? this is a blessing that many of us who've been involved in this enormous thread in some continuing capacity have received, as i see it. that even tho there has been a lot of very ugly talk and bickering in here, there have also been some absolutely wonderful gems, and through it all, we've grown -- being able now to thrust the sword with accuracy, cutting right into the target in this way.
when i look back to things i posted 12, 24, 36 months ago i can really see the result of the iron sharpening the iron
**thankful** ♥
Bill, i love how succinctly you put all this. and i was thinking, wow, look back a year ago, and would you have put all this down so concisely? this is a blessing that many of us who've been involved in this enormous thread in some continuing capacity have received, as i see it. that even tho there has been a lot of very ugly talk and bickering in here, there have also been some absolutely wonderful gems, and through it all, we've grown -- being able now to thrust the sword with accuracy, cutting right into the target in this way.
when i look back to things i posted 12, 24, 36 months ago i can really see the result of the iron sharpening the iron
**thankful** ♥
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Yes! No? Ermmmm? Wait! What?
Need this——>
Need this——>
Is that an addiction?
Is that a sin😎
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Don Francisco
"Steeple Song"
[Verse 1]
I don't care how many buses you own
Or the size of your sanctuary
Doesn't matter how steep
Your steeple is, if it's sittin' on a cemetery
I don't care if you pave your parking lot
Or put pads upon your pews
What good is a picture perfect stage
If you're missin' all the cues
I don't care if your pastor is super powered
And your program's always new
What you need is love and truth
And men are gonna come to you
It doesn't matter if you know the Bible
If it's all just in your head
But the thing I need to ask you
Is have you done the things I said?
[Chorus]
Do you love your wife?
For her and for and for your children
Are you layin' down your life?
What about the others?
Are you livin' as a servant
To your sisters and your brothers?
Do you make the poor man beg you for a bone?
Do the widow and the orphan cry alone?
[Verse 2]
I don't care if you pray for miracles
I don't care if you speak with tongues
I don't care if you've said you love Me
In every song you've sung
It doesn't matter if your sacrifice of praise
Is loud enough to raise the dead
The thing I need to ask you
Is have you done the things I said?
[Chorus]
Do you love your wife?
With all you've got inside you
Are you layin' down your life?
What about the others?
Are you livin' as a servant
To your sisters and your brothers?
Do you make the poor man beg you for a bone?
Do the widow and the orphan cry alone?
[Tag]
Lord, when were you a prisoner
But we did not come to you
When was it that we saw you sick
That we didn't follow through
Every time you turned your head
And pretended not to see
When you did it not to the least of these
You did it not to Me
It's amazing how people don't do the things they know they should not do but neglect the things they should do yet don't bat an eyelid.
James 2:14-18
Faith Without Works Is Dead
(cf. Gen. 22; Josh. 2)
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
"Steeple Song"
[Verse 1]
I don't care how many buses you own
Or the size of your sanctuary
Doesn't matter how steep
Your steeple is, if it's sittin' on a cemetery
I don't care if you pave your parking lot
Or put pads upon your pews
What good is a picture perfect stage
If you're missin' all the cues
I don't care if your pastor is super powered
And your program's always new
What you need is love and truth
And men are gonna come to you
It doesn't matter if you know the Bible
If it's all just in your head
But the thing I need to ask you
Is have you done the things I said?
[Chorus]
Do you love your wife?
For her and for and for your children
Are you layin' down your life?
What about the others?
Are you livin' as a servant
To your sisters and your brothers?
Do you make the poor man beg you for a bone?
Do the widow and the orphan cry alone?
[Verse 2]
I don't care if you pray for miracles
I don't care if you speak with tongues
I don't care if you've said you love Me
In every song you've sung
It doesn't matter if your sacrifice of praise
Is loud enough to raise the dead
The thing I need to ask you
Is have you done the things I said?
[Chorus]
Do you love your wife?
With all you've got inside you
Are you layin' down your life?
What about the others?
Are you livin' as a servant
To your sisters and your brothers?
Do you make the poor man beg you for a bone?
Do the widow and the orphan cry alone?
[Tag]
Lord, when were you a prisoner
But we did not come to you
When was it that we saw you sick
That we didn't follow through
Every time you turned your head
And pretended not to see
When you did it not to the least of these
You did it not to Me
It's amazing how people don't do the things they know they should not do but neglect the things they should do yet don't bat an eyelid.
James 2:14-18
Faith Without Works Is Dead
(cf. Gen. 22; Josh. 2)
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
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this is in fact the first imperative in the whole book of Romans!
definitely not the last, but 6 chapters into the book is the first time it tells us to "do" something, as a command:
consider yourselves dead to sin, and alive to God through Christ!
((btw my avatar makes sense, right?))
definitely not the last, but 6 chapters into the book is the first time it tells us to "do" something, as a command:
consider yourselves dead to sin, and alive to God through Christ!
((btw my avatar makes sense, right?))
And all this time I thought it was a Reference, to the Jewish Tradition of: "Get your bones moving as you pray to GOD."
Psalm 35:10 (KJV)
10 All my bones shall say, LORD, who is like unto thee, . . .
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