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My mistake.... sorry we do not agree it should have read salvific is not a gift, since you listed Calvin as one you read I would also argue that Calvin did not teach that salvific faith was a gift the way it is understood today.
With regards to Hebrews "our' is not in the original text..and this does not mean He directly infuses faith into the person..He is however the orginator or the cause of our faith from beginning to end.
I think this keeps scripture consistent with being "hearers of the word" and responding to what is heard....the call to a change of mind.
With regards to Hebrews "our' is not in the original text..and this does not mean He directly infuses faith into the person..He is however the orginator or the cause of our faith from beginning to end.
I think this keeps scripture consistent with being "hearers of the word" and responding to what is heard....the call to a change of mind.
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We will have to agree to disagree on this subject then. I do not have the time to get into a lengthy discussion here with you about it.
I am familiar with Calvin's position on the subject, but his name being posted by me here (#101,115) was in reference to the "antichrist".
Your implication is that I read Calvin's teachings. On that list included Luther, Mather, Cranmer, Edwards, and members of other denominations as well. Interesting that you did not bring up their positions on the subject of faith being a gift from God.
I am not a Calvinist, just a sinner saved by grace through faith in Christ, and not of myself.
Romans 9:16
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
I am familiar with Calvin's position on the subject, but his name being posted by me here (#101,115) was in reference to the "antichrist".
Your implication is that I read Calvin's teachings. On that list included Luther, Mather, Cranmer, Edwards, and members of other denominations as well. Interesting that you did not bring up their positions on the subject of faith being a gift from God.
I am not a Calvinist, just a sinner saved by grace through faith in Christ, and not of myself.
Romans 9:16
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
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2 Timothy 1:9 (CSBBible)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Titus 3:5-8 (ESV)
5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8 The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
Romans 11:6 (NASB)
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
Romans 3:20 (HCSB)
20 For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.
1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
2 Samuel 23:5 (NCV)
5 “This is how God has cared for my family. God made a lasting agreement with me, right and sure in every way. He will accomplish my salvation and satisfy all my desires.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.
James 2:10 (CSBBible)
10 For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.
Ephesians 2:4-5 (HCSB)
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love that He had for us,
5 made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. You are saved by grace!
Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, ⇦ and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
9 not from works, so that no one can boast.
NOTICE: SAVING FAITH is not a WORK, it is a GIFT OF GOD!
Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.
James 2:10 (NIV)
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Romans 3:12 (YLT)
12 All did go out of the way, together they became unprofitable, there is none doing good, there is not even one.
Romans 3:10 (NASB)
10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
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john 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Care to explain verse 44?
How much work does it require you to have faith?
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Care to explain verse 44?
How much work does it require you to have faith?
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I too have been wondering if your terminology is the same as mine. That could be the problem.
And what I am saying the Sin Nature still exists in our Mortal Bodies, as long as we are in it.
Yes we inherit HIS positional holiness, however we do not COAST to the Finish Line, WE Strive to the Finish Line, like Paul said, even though our SALVATION IS ABSOLUTELY SECURE IN CHRIST. We are to press on or STRIVE to earn Crowns to cast at His FEET. Don't you want to hear him say: "Well done thou good and faithful servant."
You seem to me like you are satisfied with COASTING.
Philippians 3:12-15 (ESV)
12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,
14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.
And what I am saying the Sin Nature still exists in our Mortal Bodies, as long as we are in it.
Yes we inherit HIS positional holiness, however we do not COAST to the Finish Line, WE Strive to the Finish Line, like Paul said, even though our SALVATION IS ABSOLUTELY SECURE IN CHRIST. We are to press on or STRIVE to earn Crowns to cast at His FEET. Don't you want to hear him say: "Well done thou good and faithful servant."
You seem to me like you are satisfied with COASTING.
Philippians 3:12-15 (ESV)
12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.
13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,
14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you.
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@star Praying for you all......glad to see you tell your husband many are praying for you all....
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I'm back folks. My husband had surgery for bladder cancer. His name is Jim. Please keep him in your prayers. The pathology does show all removed and no treatment needed at this time. Praise God from whom all blessings flow.
PS: I posted here on this thread because it's the only thread I usually care to comment on.
star said:
I'm back folks. My husband had surgery for bladder cancer. His name is Jim. Please keep him in your prayers. The pathology does show all removed and no treatment needed at this time. Praise God from whom all blessings flow.
PS: I posted here on this thread because it's the only thread I usually care to comment on.
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Matthew 27:44 (KJV)
44 The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.
Matthew 27:44 (NASB)
44 The robbers who had been crucified with Him were also insulting Him with the same words.
Matthew 27:44 (HCSB)
44 In the same way even the criminals who were crucified with Him kept taunting Him.
Matthew 27:44 (ESV)
44 And the robbers who were crucified with him also reviled him in the same way.
Matthew 27:44 (NIV)
44 In the same way the robbers who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
Matthew 27:44 (NCV)
44 And in the same way, the robbers who were being crucified beside Jesus also insulted him.
Matthew 27:44 (YLT)
44 with the same also the robbers, who were crucified with him, were reproaching him.
I see why you were asking. The KJV is so archaic, that it is even impossible even for me to understand.
Most People think the KJV is an actual TRANSLATION, when it is not. In there Original 1611 PREFACE their translators admitted:
"Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, . . . but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . .
That means it is a PARAPHASE using 5 older English translation to modernize the English, and to correct known errors. Because King James, found it hard to understand the BIBLE in the Older Versions. Can you imagine what that OLDER English looked liked, when now we struggle to understand portions of the King James Version with his updated English.
http://www.ccel.org/bible/kjv/preface/pref1.htm
Yes I agree, we strive to walk in the Spirit not in the flesh 
We get better at it.
Psalm 106:3 (NASB)
3 How blessed are those who keep justice, Who practice righteousness at all times!
Matthew 6:1 (CSBBible)
1 "Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them.
Otherwise, you have no reward with your Father in heaven.
1 John 3:10 (ESV)
10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
Revelation 22:11 (NASB)
11 "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous,
still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy."
🡹 Can you see my point now ?
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no actually....
This "practice" is a noun, we do not practise (verb) being righteous in order to be become better at it...that is finishing in the flesh what is Spiritual.
1 John 3:10 (ESV)
10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
This is a call to be who were are in Christ, our identity in Christ is righteous (made right with God through Him) we have our life and breath in Him...when we display Christ in us we practice (noun) righteousness....ie walk in the Spirit.
This "practice" is a noun, we do not practise (verb) being righteous in order to be become better at it...that is finishing in the flesh what is Spiritual.
1 John 3:10 (ESV)
10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
This is a call to be who were are in Christ, our identity in Christ is righteous (made right with God through Him) we have our life and breath in Him...when we display Christ in us we practice (noun) righteousness....ie walk in the Spirit.
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