Well Wal voord was president of DTS for some 30 years or so following Chafer. Pentecost's 'Things to Come ' has over 1/4 million copies out . So there are literally thousand of Pastors out there trained by these men. Walvoord was also in the editorial committe of the 1967 SRB revision. Therefor when Scofieldism is left to continue it does mean they supported it.
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A person's magnitude of influence does not determine the meaning of a doctrine.
John Macarthur influences 5 times more people than Walvoord and Pentecost, and John has a different view on Dispensationalism. Should we believe that Macarthur determines what Dispensatianlism means because of the magnitude of his influence? Of course not. Different people have different positions on subcategories of doctrinal paradigms. You can't generalize Dispensationalism based on the words of a few men.
John Macarthur influences 5 times more people than Walvoord and Pentecost, and John has a different view on Dispensationalism. Should we believe that Macarthur determines what Dispensatianlism means because of the magnitude of his influence? Of course not. Different people have different positions on subcategories of doctrinal paradigms. You can't generalize Dispensationalism based on the words of a few men.
It was established in 1830 by Darby.
Sure, you can say that certain people have disagreed with parts of it up to the present day. But that doesn't change it. You should call it something other than "Dispensationalism" if you are going to refer to some kind of off-brach/deviation of what Darby established.
because you brought him up. I identified something he said that is contrary to what you claim he believes. I also refuted the corresponding logic you implied in my 2nd point of post# 20.
Sure, you can say that certain people have disagreed with parts of it up to the present day. But that doesn't change it. You should call it something other than "Dispensationalism" if you are going to refer to some kind of off-brach/deviation of what Darby established.
because you brought him up. I identified something he said that is contrary to what you claim he believes. I also refuted the corresponding logic you implied in my 2nd point of post# 20.
LOl So you have a great deal invested. I dont know of a seminary dedicated to DF older than Dallas. But you dissed the cowboys right off as practically meaningless. I recall you said its not worth discussing but here you are . Why? There is a distinct line from Walvoord to Chafer to Scofield then on to Darby, probably the strongest link , so what is your complaint ?
And...?
Read what I wrote again. I said, "it's not really worth the discussion "...The discussion we are having, surrounding the point you brought up about the return of the Law dispensation. That isn't worth discussing because your OP makes a false assumption that "classic" Dispensationalism asserts that notion.
To establish a middle ground for meaningful conversation, would you be willing to refer to "dispensation of Law returning" as "DTS's Dispensanolism" rather than "Classic Dispensationalism"? (BTW, "classic" is implied without a modifier)
It might not seem like a big deal to you, but it's just irresponsible to misrepresent what 1/4 of Christians believe because some men at a university changed their position a doctrinal paradigm.
Read what I wrote again. I said, "it's not really worth the discussion "...The discussion we are having, surrounding the point you brought up about the return of the Law dispensation. That isn't worth discussing because your OP makes a false assumption that "classic" Dispensationalism asserts that notion.
To establish a middle ground for meaningful conversation, would you be willing to refer to "dispensation of Law returning" as "DTS's Dispensanolism" rather than "Classic Dispensationalism"? (BTW, "classic" is implied without a modifier)
It might not seem like a big deal to you, but it's just irresponsible to misrepresent what 1/4 of Christians believe because some men at a university changed their position a doctrinal paradigm.
I personally hold that the believer should liberally dispense the Scriptures in the present. That's all I've got to say about dispensing.
Not sure exactly what's going to happen in the Millennial Kingdom. It's gonna be pretty great, though, and the saints will be ruling over cities and regions.
Imma get me a pet sea serpent if any are still alive out there.
Not sure exactly what's going to happen in the Millennial Kingdom. It's gonna be pretty great, though, and the saints will be ruling over cities and regions.
Imma get me a pet sea serpent if any are still alive out there.
When the Eastern Sky splits, and the Trump sounds, and Jesus descends on clouds of white with the Saints who have gone before........
THAT'S IT!
Folks waiting for something else are gonna be sore disappointed IMO.........
The Gospel of Jesus speaks of no second chances once Jesus returns to gather His Church. Yall don't get no "do overs, or mulligans."
Yall will be either the wheat or the tares, it is your choice. Choose now before He returns.
MARANATHA!
THAT'S IT!
Folks waiting for something else are gonna be sore disappointed IMO.........
The Gospel of Jesus speaks of no second chances once Jesus returns to gather His Church. Yall don't get no "do overs, or mulligans."
Yall will be either the wheat or the tares, it is your choice. Choose now before He returns.
MARANATHA!
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Harsh.
So someone living 35AD, never heard THE WORDS OF GOD nor the teachings of Christ but THEY are far above what many Christians only proclaim to be as they truly do love their neighbor as themselves. They take care of the widows and poor. If they ever would have been given the OPPORTUNITY to read or hear, they would have taken to the LORD like a duck to water.
So they are just "sol"/surely out of luck, being born the wrong time and place? Do you believe that is the spirit of the word?
LOF for them??
What about the little old lady who couldn't read but never missed a day or donation and just happened to have a 'lying pastor' with lots of charisma for 90 years? LOF, the only future for her also you believe?
So someone living 35AD, never heard THE WORDS OF GOD nor the teachings of Christ but THEY are far above what many Christians only proclaim to be as they truly do love their neighbor as themselves. They take care of the widows and poor. If they ever would have been given the OPPORTUNITY to read or hear, they would have taken to the LORD like a duck to water.
So they are just "sol"/surely out of luck, being born the wrong time and place? Do you believe that is the spirit of the word?
LOF for them??
What about the little old lady who couldn't read but never missed a day or donation and just happened to have a 'lying pastor' with lots of charisma for 90 years? LOF, the only future for her also you believe?
Both points are applicable here.
God will handle the infirmed and/or mentally challenged just as He will manage the young and immature.
He will be equally determined to apply His resolve on those NOT following His commandments...as we see here often, concerning baptism, OSAS, universalism, and other new age religion teachings.
He will not compromise His commandments...one iota....be aware.
...timed out....
......How many samples in biblical history are needed to understand that God is a lovable, forgiving, righteous God but,
Who expects us to follow His commandments.
Re are reminded ...the road to destruction is wide and full of pot holes and the Gate to salvation is narrow and few will pass through it.
......How many samples in biblical history are needed to understand that God is a lovable, forgiving, righteous God but,
Who expects us to follow His commandments.
Re are reminded ...the road to destruction is wide and full of pot holes and the Gate to salvation is narrow and few will pass through it.
Compassion, good to hear.
We seem to agree on how much God hates false and/or man worded and/or concluded doctrines, deception and the like.
But, I do think 'the letter of the law' was done away with in favor of the 'spirit of the law' and Gods purpose is not only for us to love Him but to love HIS WAYS
But as you basically stated,
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
I would like to add
Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
We seem to agree on how much God hates false and/or man worded and/or concluded doctrines, deception and the like.
But, I do think 'the letter of the law' was done away with in favor of the 'spirit of the law' and Gods purpose is not only for us to love Him but to love HIS WAYS
But as you basically stated,
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
I would like to add
Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.