Old habits die hard.

[Derek1955]

Alexander Pope wrote: 'Tis education forms the common mind; just as the twig is bent the tree's inclined.' And it is a fact that old habits die hard, particularly those learned in our early formative years that are deeply embedded in our subconscious. Some early prejudices that in themselves have no foundation in truth, can surface unexpectedly and create a far from Christian response to a situation. By ourselves we find it difficult to control the seemingly automatic surfacing of those early hidden memories that reflect many of our pre-Christian attitudes for we are still creatures who are powerfully affected by the five senses. John in his first letter made it clear that if we say we do not sin then we are liars. So what to do? As Christians, Christ's Spirit and that of His Father dwell in us and we must ask for the field of our lives to be continually ploughed up and re-sown. It is the only way to uproot the darnel and to encourage fields of pure spiritual wheat to grow. Our humanity means we will never quite get rid of the automatic emergence of 'weeds and so it is only by continually repenting and seeking our Father's forgiveness through Christ that we will be saved and sadly the need to seek forgiveness will be with us to the end of our lives. I find there are far less weeds than before but they are still there. I thank God that He is not the God only of the perfect but also of the seeking otherwise I and many like me would be damned.

 

[Blik]

Alexander Pope wrote: 'Tis education forms the common mind; just as the twig is bent the tree's inclined.' And it is a fact that old habits die hard, particularly those learned in our early formative years that are deeply embedded in our subconscious. Some early prejudices that in themselves have no foundation in truth, can surface unexpectedly and create a far from Christian response to a situation. By ourselves we find it difficult to control the seemingly automatic surfacing of those early hidden memories that reflect many of our pre-Christian attitudes for we are still creatures who are powerfully affected by the five senses. John in his first letter made it clear that if we say we do not sin then we are liars. So what to do? As Christians, Christ's Spirit and that of His Father dwell in us and we must ask for the field of our lives to be continually ploughed up and re-sown. It is the only way to uproot the darnel and to encourage fields of pure spiritual wheat to grow. Our humanity means we will never quite get rid of the automatic emergence of 'weeds and so it is only by continually repenting and seeking our Father's forgiveness through Christ that we will be saved and sadly the need to seek forgiveness will be with us to the end of our lives. I find there are far less weeds than before but they are still there. I thank God that He is not the God only of the perfect but also of the seeking otherwise I and many like me would be damned.

The old sacrificial system gave atonement through blood God the Father gave on the altar, and we know now that blood was Christ for Christ is the only means of our salvation.

They were told to ask forgiveness for the sins they hadn't yet been made aware of. We need to give those sins to Christ, also.

 

[Lion222]

Alexander Pope wrote: 'Tis education forms the common mind; just as the twig is bent the tree's inclined.' And it is a fact that old habits die hard, particularly those learned in our early formative years that are deeply embedded in our subconscious. Some early prejudices that in themselves have no foundation in truth, can surface unexpectedly and create a far from Christian response to a situation. By ourselves we find it difficult to control the seemingly automatic surfacing of those early hidden memories that reflect many of our pre-Christian attitudes for we are still creatures who are powerfully affected by the five senses. John in his first letter made it clear that if we say we do not sin then we are liars. So what to do? As Christians, Christ's Spirit and that of His Father dwell in us and we must ask for the field of our lives to be continually ploughed up and re-sown. It is the only way to uproot the darnel and to encourage fields of pure spiritual wheat to grow. Our humanity means we will never quite get rid of the automatic emergence of 'weeds and so it is only by continually repenting and seeking our Father's forgiveness through Christ that we will be saved and sadly the need to seek forgiveness will be with us to the end of our lives. I find there are far less weeds than before but they are still there. I thank God that He is not the God only of the perfect but also of the seeking otherwise I and many like me would be damned.

I totally love almost everything you are saying brother.
I take issue with only one point.
The cessation of sin in this life, so we might begin to live the rest of it for the glory of God.
I think we peal the onion of our hearts bit by bit, but what stops us from going all the way is that we have not committed ourselves in our minds to suffer. The suffering Christian lifestyle has long left the Church as the ideal way to follow Christ.
But I agree very much with tearing down the old truths for regular inspection of the temple of the mind. much like plowing up the field including all those paths we always walk down without even thinking about them anymore.
So perhaps this one point is worth another look.
1 Peter 4:1-2 left me convinced that the cessation of sin in this life is not only possible but required and necessary for us if we would live for the Glory of God.
It is not just putting on the mind of Christ and taking up your cross to suffer after his example.
But it is also to be counted worthy to suffer. Acts 5:41 - It still blows me away and humbles me very much.

 

[Lion222]

Glory to God.
He still puts new wine into old wineskins.
He softens them up first with the oil of the Spirit because they let themselves become hard in their hearts and minds like the fallow ground of a well worn path.
If he did not they would burst unable to expand to contain the joy of all those bubbles

 

[Blain]

Alexander Pope wrote: 'Tis education forms the common mind; just as the twig is bent the tree's inclined.' And it is a fact that old habits die hard, particularly those learned in our early formative years that are deeply embedded in our subconscious. Some early prejudices that in themselves have no foundation in truth, can surface unexpectedly and create a far from Christian response to a situation. By ourselves we find it difficult to control the seemingly automatic surfacing of those early hidden memories that reflect many of our pre-Christian attitudes for we are still creatures who are powerfully affected by the five senses. John in his first letter made it clear that if we say we do not sin then we are liars. So what to do? As Christians, Christ's Spirit and that of His Father dwell in us and we must ask for the field of our lives to be continually ploughed up and re-sown. It is the only way to uproot the darnel and to encourage fields of pure spiritual wheat to grow. Our humanity means we will never quite get rid of the automatic emergence of 'weeds and so it is only by continually repenting and seeking our Father's forgiveness through Christ that we will be saved and sadly the need to seek forgiveness will be with us to the end of our lives. I find there are far less weeds than before but they are still there. I thank God that He is not the God only of the perfect but also of the seeking otherwise I and many like me would be damned.

 

[Blain]

I totally love almost everything you are saying brother.
I take issue with only one point.
The cessation of sin in this life, so we might begin to live the rest of it for the glory of God.
I think we peal the onion of our hearts bit by bit, but what stops us from going all the way is that we have not committed ourselves in our minds to suffer. The suffering Christian lifestyle has long left the Church as the ideal way to follow Christ.
But I agree very much with tearing down the old truths for regular inspection of the temple of the mind. much like plowing up the field including all those paths we always walk down without even thinking about them anymore.
So perhaps this one point is worth another look.
1 Peter 4:1-2 left me convinced that the cessation of sin in this life is not only possible but required and necessary for us if we would live for the Glory of God.
It is not just putting on the mind of Christ and taking up your cross to suffer after his example.
But it is also to be counted worthy to suffer. Acts 5:41 - It still blows me away and humbles me very much.

 

[Derek1955]

I totally love almost everything you are saying brother.
I take issue with only one point.
The cessation of sin in this life, so we might begin to live the rest of it for the glory of God.
I think we peal the onion of our hearts bit by bit, but what stops us from going all the way is that we have not committed ourselves in our minds to suffer. The suffering Christian lifestyle has long left the Church as the ideal way to follow Christ.
But I agree very much with tearing down the old truths for regular inspection of the temple of the mind. much like plowing up the field including all those paths we always walk down without even thinking about them anymore.
So perhaps this one point is worth another look.
1 Peter 4:1-2 left me convinced that the cessation of sin in this life is not only possible but required and necessary for us if we would live for the Glory of God.
It is not just putting on the mind of Christ and taking up your cross to suffer after his example.
But it is also to be counted worthy to suffer. Acts 5:41 - It still blows me away and humbles me very much.

I would refer you in turn to 1 John 1:8 "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. Additionally, Judas, one of Christ's chosen Apostles is proof, if proof be needed, that no society is without sin. Only one man lived a sinless life whilst in the world and that was Jesus.

 

[oldethennew]

I like the inference/symbolism of the 'onion', for from the day of one's conversion,
begins the day of the pealing, a life-long, endeavor, which daily results in
drawing closer to our Saviour and over-coming our 'old-man -
what an amazing privilege to have our Intercessor sitting on the right hand of God
as we learn to live the new-life that He expects of us...
1TIM. 6:11.
But you, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
12.
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto you are also called,
and have professed a good profession before many witnesses.
ROMANS 6:20.
For when you were the servants of sin, you were free from righteousness.
21.
What fruit had you then in those things whereof you are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
ROMANS 6:22.
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit=works unto Holiness,
and the end everlasting life.
PHI. 2:16.
Holding forth The Word of Life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
HEB. 12:1.
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight,
and the sin which does so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2.
Looking unto Jesus The Author and finisher of our faith; Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross,
despising the shame, and is set down at The Right Hand of The Throne of God.

 

[Lion222]

Alexander Pope wrote: 'Tis education forms the common mind; just as the twig is bent the tree's inclined.' And it is a fact that old habits die hard, particularly those learned in our early formative years that are deeply embedded in our subconscious. Some early prejudices that in themselves have no foundation in truth, can surface unexpectedly and create a far from Christian response to a situation. By ourselves we find it difficult to control the seemingly automatic surfacing of those early hidden memories that reflect many of our pre-Christian attitudes for we are still creatures who are powerfully affected by the five senses. John in his first letter made it clear that if we say we do not sin then we are liars. So what to do? As Christians, Christ's Spirit and that of His Father dwell in us and we must ask for the field of our lives to be continually ploughed up and re-sown. It is the only way to uproot the darnel and to encourage fields of pure spiritual wheat to grow. Our humanity means we will never quite get rid of the automatic emergence of 'weeds and so it is only by continually repenting and seeking our Father's forgiveness through Christ that we will be saved and sadly the need to seek forgiveness will be with us to the end of our lives. I find there are far less weeds than before but they are still there. I thank God that He is not the God only of the perfect but also of the seeking otherwise I and many like me would be damned.

I would refer you in turn to 1 John 1:8 "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. Additionally, Judas, one of Christ's chosen Apostles is proof, if proof be needed, that no society is without sin. Only one man lived a sinless life whilst in the world and that was Jesus.

Yes Derek, that is the one and only verse that stands against the rest of scripture on the matter. It kept me from this for years but the overwhelming testimony of the rest of scripture and the very specific testimony of 1 peter 4:1-2 could not in good conscience be dismissed.

The underlying problem is one of translation. It uses a word found no where else in scripture. NO where else at all so they just went with what was closest. But recently it was found in some other material of the period.
what is translates as "have no sin" in the absence of a proper understanding of the isolated Greek word is understood now as "are without the present tense state of the impact of past sin"
So it would read more like "if you say you have not been impacted by sin".. which then removes it from being at odds with the rest of the immediate context.
It was another way of saying all have sinned and suffer from the state of having done so and to say otherwise is to make him a liar. A repeating / emphasizing what was said in the context in another manner.
But you need not take my word only , have a look at the translators noted of the NET version of the bible online.
would be nice if all bibles came with translators notes. that way we could at least know what verses are know to be most difficult to translate and way and what the possible options where being considered.

It speaks nothing in regards to not being able to cease from sin and it being required to start glorifying God with the rest of your life. which is what 1 Peter 4:1-2 forcefully asserts. Even to the point of saying we have spent enough time on the flesh to do all the bad things. saying in a way it is well past time to choose, to ready your mind to suffer whatever you must to and put it all away and live for God.

Like you said, digging up that field again.

Grk “say we do not have sin.” The use of ἔχω + ἁμαρτία (ecō + hamartia) is an expression limited to John and 1 John in the NT. On the analogy with other constructions where ἔχω governs an abstract noun (e.g., 1 John 1:3, 6, 7; 2:28; 3:3, 15, 21; 4:16, 17; 5:12–13), it indicates that a state is involved, which in the case of ἁμαρτία would refer to a state of sin. The four times the expression ἔχω + ἁμαρτία occurs in the Gospel of John (9:41; 15:22, 24; 19:11) all refer to situations where a wrong action has been committed or a wrong attitude has already existed, resulting in a state of sin, and then something else happens which further emphasizes the evil of that action or attitude. Here in 1 John 1:8 the sense is the same. The author is addressing people who have sinned (resulting in a state of sin), warning them that they cannot claim to be free from the guilt of that sin.

 

[Lion222]

oldethennew

Your name made me laugh and gave me a big grin.

 

[Blain]

Yes Derek, that is the one and only verse that stands against the rest of scripture on the matter. It kept me from this for years but the overwhelming testimony of the rest of scripture and the very specific testimony of 1 peter 4:1-2 could not in good conscience be dismissed.

The underlying problem is one of translation. It uses a word found no where else in scripture. NO where else at all so they just went with what was closest. But recently it was found in some other material of the period.
what is translates as "have no sin" in the absence of a proper understanding of the isolated Greek word is understood now as "are without the present tense state of the impact of past sin"
So it would read more like "if you say you have not been impacted by sin".. which then removes it from being at odds with the rest of the immediate context.
It was another way of saying all have sinned and suffer from the state of having done so and to say otherwise is to make him a liar. A repeating / emphasizing what was said in the context in another manner.
But you need not take my word only , have a look at the translators noted of the NET version of the bible online.
would be nice if all bibles came with translators notes. that way we could at least know what verses are know to be most difficult to translate and way and what the possible options where being considered.

It speaks nothing in regards to not being able to cease from sin and it being required to start glorifying God with the rest of your life. which is what 1 Peter 4:1-2 forcefully asserts. Even to the point of saying we have spent enough time on the flesh to do all the bad things. saying in a way it is well past time to choose, to ready your mind to suffer whatever you must to and put it all away and live for God.

Like you said, digging up that field again.

Grk “say we do not have sin.” The use of ἔχω + ἁμαρτία (ecō + hamartia) is an expression limited to John and 1 John in the NT. On the analogy with other constructions where ἔχω governs an abstract noun (e.g., 1 John 1:3, 6, 7; 2:28; 3:3, 15, 21; 4:16, 17; 5:12–13), it indicates that a state is involved, which in the case of ἁμαρτία would refer to a state of sin. The four times the expression ἔχω + ἁμαρτία occurs in the Gospel of John (9:41; 15:22, 24; 19:11) all refer to situations where a wrong action has been committed or a wrong attitude has already existed, resulting in a state of sin, and then something else happens which further emphasizes the evil of that action or attitude. Here in 1 John 1:8 the sense is the same. The author is addressing people who have sinned (resulting in a state of sin), warning them that they cannot claim to be free from the guilt of that sin.

The issue I think is when people confuse having no sin as in never sinning compared to like you said not being affected by past sins.
The thing I struggle with the most is the fact I mess up and even though in God's eyes because I am clothed in Christ and his blood and his righteousness I am clean but because of my struggles with depression and a very low view of myself all I see is a disgusting filthy worm covered in sin.

Yet this is the main issue I made with another user who claims to never sin, that kind of theology while I think it is productive to a point in keeping the mind set of being holy in all our ways can make someone like me or even worse my friend who struggles with all the same rthings plus ocd and anxiety would see that kind of thinking and feel even worse about themselves.

If my friend saw and believed in that doctrine it would destroy him he already worries every day if he is saved and is every day attacked by negative thoughts due to his mental illness.

This is yet another reason to have a correct understanding of doctrine, it isn't just about truth or having the correct beleifs but more than that it also affects other people even if you don't realize it.

 

[Lion222]

No one who is born of God will continue to sin - 1 john 3:9 ( the very next verse after the one you pointed out )

As far as Judas goes.
Judas by his sin was shut out ... Judas fell away, - Acts 1:25

A few others for good measure but its everywhere throughout scripture.

We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? - Romans 6:2
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin... - 1 John 2:1
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in
him we might become the righteousness of God - 2 Cor 5:21
For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin
might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin -Romans 6:6
For by doing this you will never stumble into sin. 2 Peter 1:10
Mat 5:29
Heb 10:26
1 John 1:7
John 8:34
Ro 6:16
2 Peter 2:19
Ro 8:4

Jesus replied, "What is impossible with man is possible with God." - Luke 18:27
It is about where your faith rests?

 

[Lion222]

If my friend saw and believed in that doctrine it would destroy him he already worries every day if he is saved and is every day attacked by negative thoughts due to his mental illness.

This is yet another reason to have a correct understanding of doctrine, it isn't just about truth or having the correct beleifs but more than that it also affects other people even if you don't realize it.

 

[notuptome]

The folly of sinless perfection. Continuous state of sanctification but never reaching sinlessness until Christ presents us before the throne. When we die and this body of flesh which is a body of sin is changed into a glorified body we will sin. We should sin less but we can never be sinless until we are glorified together with Christ. Leave your works of self righteousness at the door and enter into Gods limitless grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Blain]

Umm nothing showed up in your post here

 

[Blain]

The folly of sinless perfection. Continuous state of sanctification but never reaching sinlessness until Christ presents us before the throne. When we die and this body of flesh which is a body of sin is changed into a glorified body we will sin. We should sin less but we can never be sinless until we are glorified together with Christ. Leave your works of self righteousness at the door and enter into Gods limitless grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Exactly the sinless doctrine even when said to be done in Christ is folly because we all have a born again spirit and are sealed in Christ but our minds and bodies were not born again they are a constant battle between flesh and spirit.
I mean you can be born again but your body still hungers and grows tired it was not born again and thus the flesh will always try to out do the spirit which is why we are warned to live in the spirit.

The way I see it anyone who lives in the sinless doctrine either is ignorant to the truth, denies and ignores their sins or they were taught and had it doctrinated in them

 

[Lion222]

The issue I think is when people confuse having no sin as in never sinning compared to like you said not being affected by past sins.
The thing I struggle with the most is the fact I mess up and even though in God's eyes because I am clothed in Christ and his blood and his righteousness I am clean but because of my struggles with depression and a very low view of myself all I see is a disgusting filthy worm covered in sin.

Yet this is the main issue I made with another user who claims to never sin, that kind of theology while I think it is productive to a point in keeping the mind set of being holy in all our ways can make someone like me or even worse my friend who struggles with all the same rthings plus ocd and anxiety would see that kind of thinking and feel even worse about themselves.

If my friend saw and believed in that doctrine it would destroy him he already worries every day if he is saved and is every day attacked by negative thoughts due to his mental illness.

This is yet another reason to have a correct understanding of doctrine, it isn't just about truth or having the correct beleifs but more than that it also affects other people even if you don't realize it.

The whole "if I dare to believe this it would kill me argument is not valid"

May the truth of God kill me if it must.
I put myself in Gods hands.

It is possiable to cease from sin.
I will require you to be read to embrace suffering.
You can cease from sin for a moment, for an hour, for a day. for a week, for a month.
The suffering and the spiritual battle around you will grow the longer you stand.
But God is able.
No one learns to stand without falling down alot.
But if you believe you will not just lie there like a dead man.

You can stand and you will stand if you put your faith in God to do so and are ready to pay the price.

Keep on asking, keep on knocking.
All healthy babies eventually learn to stand and walk and jump and run.
Not like there will not be a lot of falling down along the way as we grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord and who we have become through him.
But God was emphatic "You will be Holy because I am Holy"

I will not fear falling and fail to stand.
I will step into the light and be exposed before God not live in fear and darkness.
My faith is in the Love and power of God to do in me what Only He can DO!
What Only He Can Do!
I will not deny His word for me that is for all his children.
If I don't have it, it is because I don't ask.
Or I ask in unbelief and should not then expect anything.

The removal of sin in the life of a believer is not optional if you actually believe, you also believe he can do what we can not.

Is your faith in your sin, in your filth, your wormness or will you believe in God and step into the light and let him do with you as he pleases?
Because you believe in his love as who he is. That he shows kindness to evil people.

God is choosing for himself from those who deserve only death, men to make into what he himself is.
This is Salvation, this is what it means to believe in God and abandon yourself to his will for you.
You are saved from sin --- To the righteousness of God.

Not some accounting mistake, no looking at you with rose colored glasses.
A deposit of the righteousness of God in you via the Holy spirit united to your spirit.
Those who believe have this, and if they do and do not neglected it, it will grow and eventually consume you.
The more it does the more you have confidence that your faith is not misplaced.

Some say only what is sanctified remains, it alone as gold and precious gems survives the fires that will test all men's work-ing out of their salvation. and those who do not will suffer loss in regards to salvation yet still be saved as by fire.
Salvation's work is all about who we are becoming in Christ. it directly relates who what we shall be when we see him.
I want to go as far as i possibility can, God whatever it takes.

1 Tes 5:23
Eph 1:23
2 Cor 1:7
Heb 11:6

 

[Lion222]

If you think its impossible well they you can never have it.
You could ask God for it but in unbelief you should not expect to get anything.

 

[Blain]

The whole "if I dare to believe this it would kill me argument is not valid"

May the truth of God kill me if it must.
I put myself in Gods hands.

It is possiable to cease from sin.
I will require you to be read to embrace suffering.
You can cease from sin for a moment, for an hour, for a day. for a week, for a month.
The suffering and the spiritual battle around you will grow the longer you stand.
But God is able.
No one learns to stand without falling down alot.
But if you believe you will not just lie there like a dead man.

You can stand and you will stand if you put your faith in God to do so and are ready to pay the price.

Keep on asking, keep on knocking.
All healthy babies eventually learn to stand and walk and jump and run.
Not like there will not be a lot of falling down along the way as we grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord and who we have become through him.
But God was emphatic "You will be Holy because I am Holy"

I will not fear falling and fail to stand.
I will step into the light and be exposed before God not live in fear and darkness.
My faith is in the Love and power of God to do in me what Only He can DO!
What Only He Can Do!
I will not deny His word for me that is for all his children.
If I don't have it, it is because I don't ask.
Or I ask in unbelief and should not then expect anything.

The removal of sin in the life of a believer is not optional if you actually believe, you also believe he can do what we can not.

Is your faith in your sin, in your filth, your wormness or will you believe in God and step into the light and let him do with you as he pleases?
Because you believe in his love as who he is. That he shows kindness to evil people.

God is choosing for himself from those who deserve only death, men to make into what he himself is.
This is Salvation, this is what it means to believe in God and abandon yourself to his will for you.
You are saved from sin --- To the righteousness of God.

Not some accounting mistake, no looking at you with rose colored glasses.
A deposit of the righteousness of God in you via the Holy spirit united to your spirit.
Those who believe have this, and if they do and do not neglected it, it will grow and eventually consume you.
The more it does the more you have confidence that your faith is not misplaced.

Some say only what is sanctified remains, it alone as gold and precious gems survives the fires that will test all men's work-ing out of their salvation. and those who do not will suffer loss in regards to salvation yet still be saved as by fire.
Salvation's work is all about who we are becoming in Christ. it directly relates who what we shall be when we see him.
I want to go as far as i possibility can, God whatever it takes.

1 Tes 5:23
Eph 1:23
2 Cor 1:7
Heb 11:6

Actually it is valid. For my friend if he was affected with this doctrine I fear a repeat of my last friend like that. A year or two ago I made a friend on here who came seeking help, he was a born again believer a new one and he went to a church that apparently taught the sinless doctrine, now he has severe depression and dealt with suicidal thoughts all the time, he was constantly worried about sin he saw God as a wrathful sin hating overlord because he always felt so guilty, he tried his best to not sin but couldn't make the mark.
This church taught the sinless doctrine and opne day he came to say goodbye to me he said God could not possibly love soemoen who cannot keep from full being sinless he told me not to call 911 because he would be dead by the time they got their anyways, he thanked me for my help and understanding and I messaged him back frantically to stop and help him but it was never responded back.

There is real danger in that doctrine and sadly I had to face it first hand, I agree with and greatly admire you for the most part but in this regard I have to disagree.
We can live a holy life but not a sinless one because we unlike God are imperfect we are still flesh yes we have his spirit but we still live in a fleshly imperfect body.

So maybe we can make it where we don't sin very often but we cannot fully not sin that simply isn't possible for us and wasn't meant to be either.
Only in our imperfection is his made clear, only in our guilt of sinning and trying not to sin is his grace made so precious to us only in our failings and our weakness is his success and his strength made known.
Like I said I think this doctrine has potential to help us live a holy life without sin but it is the point of being completely sinless that takes it out of potential.

 

[oldethennew]

it's not about that you can't 'have IT', but it's about how you continually
strive to achieve IT'..., for His Name's sake!!!...