Once saved always saved ?

jj408 · Mar 18, 2011

Once you get saved does that mean your always saved ? I ask myself sometimes like Am i evil or do I belong to god or will I even go to heaven.Then on top of that I get these thoughts that tell me why be gods slave.Its really crazy.I don't know how to deal with this.I get shots from all angles ? If I got saved at a young age then walked away.Then came back and started giving effort.Like not doing what I used to do.going to church 3 or 4days a week.Not listening to degrading music.Praying to god.Getting on my knees crying out for help.I did all this at one point.Does this mean that god was working inside of me at one point ?

NoahsMom · Mar 18, 2011

We are all a work in progress. We may leave God, but he never leaves us. If you are sincere in your desire to know and serve God , He sees the heart.

unclefester · Mar 18, 2011

NoahsMom said:

Spoken like a loving mom

I get the sense that your heart is on the right path jj408 ...... try being a little easier on yourself. Effort is a good thing ..... but trusting God for forgiveness when we fall is even better. Come to think of it, that's why Jesus came in the first place. He's with you always jj .....even when you don't "feel" it

trust_in_the_name · Mar 18, 2011

jj408 said:

Salvation isn't by works, so none of these things are going to save you. The only thing that will save anyone is believing God through the scriptures. That means you have to believe everything the scriptures say.

Once saved does not mean always saved. If we turn away from the faith to a life of sin, we are no longer saved. However, if we turn back to God, confessing our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us.

jj408 · Mar 19, 2011

Thank yal.And sometimes I wish I wouldn't think as much I do

eternally-gratefull · Mar 20, 2011

jj408 said:

A few basic things to think about.

1. Salvation is said to be a grace gift. Grace means it was unearned, if one could lose it, because they no longer have earned it. it fails to be a gift, and becomes a reward. (basically no man will ever earn salvation even after they receive it, it is maintained by Gods grace.)

2. Those who are saved are said to be given "eternal life" as they have passed from "death to life" or been "born again" Considering this new life in Christ is said to be "eternal in nature" if it could ever be lost, it could never be eternal, and thus God lied when he called it "eternal" (remember paul says we have it, and John said we can know we have it. This is quite different from saying we might get it)

resurrection33 · Mar 25, 2011

jj408 said:

I think you are always blessed when you live righteously.

I think you lose your blessing when you sin.

I think that is what is meant by this Scripture:

[17] "Yet your people say, `The way of the Lord is not just'; when it is their own way that is not just.
[18] When the righteous turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he shall die for it.
[19] And when the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right, he shall live by it.
[20] Yet you say, `The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways." Ezekiel 33:17-20 RSV

superdave5221 · Mar 25, 2011

Galatians 5: 1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free ; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. 2 Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3 And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law ; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love. 7 You were running well ; who hindered you from obeying the truth ?

Fallen from grace? Why was Paul worried about that? It's too bad that he didn't have all of those scriptures that get thrown around in here. He would have known better.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 25, 2011

superdave5221 said:

It is easy, The were walking toward God, starting to understand. But in the end, they still chose to follow Law. And because of this, the thing they were walking toward they lost.

Paul was not worried about someone losing salvation.

He was worried about people who were checking his message out, seemed to be getting it, And then lost it because they could not give up what they truely believed (in this case the law)

PBUH · Mar 25, 2011

trust_in_the_name said:

Hi Trust

Believing that belief only with no effort will get you paradise is such a dangerous thing to believe. It is why so many evangelist end up committing adultery. They take their foot off the throttle and stray. You need to be struggle your whole life to stay on the right path and do what God commanded from you.

Luke 10
25. On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26. "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27. He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind' ; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
28. "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

Jesus pbuh prompted what was written in the law when asked about eternal life.

To simplify it for us all he summarized the laws into two commands. Yet it is incumbent on us to learn what these laws actually are.

PBUH · Mar 25, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

It is easy, The were walking toward God, starting to understand. But in the end, they still chose to follow Law. And because of this, the thing they were walking toward they lost.

Paul was not worried about someone losing salvation.

He was worried about people who were checking his message out, seemed to be getting it, And then lost it because they could not give up what they truely believed (in this case the law)

Paul was such a dangerous individual.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 25, 2011

PBUH said:

Do what? Saul was Dangerous. But Paul went from the most legalistic to the most humble man who ever lived.

francina · Mar 25, 2011

Even Charles Stanley had to admit in his book regarding eternal security that the churches established by the apostles for hundreds of years did not believe this or teach this but believed & taught conditional security ,that is you must live a godly life to be saved. It was the tiniest addendum that ever you would see at the bottom of a page. His theory is ridiculous, that if Hitler or some mass murderer was a born again christian before they committed their crimes they would still be saved.
This is absolute heresy. This is a progressive movement in the church that has been around before, the devil always tries this. The hippie movement of the 60's has produced pastors of today that try to form God into a false image of passivity & tolerance. The lives of the men who are credited mostly for this doctrine have very scandalous lives just like the preachers & their members who ascribe to this. Luther was known for lying , hating Jews, hating the book of Jude & the teaching of Jesus in Matthew starting especially with chapter 5. Calvin was a murderer , who torched people that did not believe in infant baptism.
Paul said do not follow teachers who's lives are full of sin, but avoid them, they are deceived & being deceived.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 25, 2011

francina said:

Even Charles Stanley had to admit in his book regarding eternal security that the churches established by the apostles for hundreds of years did not believe this or teach this but believed & taught conditional security ,that is you must live a godly life to be saved. It was the tiniest addendum that ever you would see at the bottom of a page. His theory is ridiculous, that if Hitler or some mass murderer was a born again christian before they committed their crimes they would still be saved.
This is absolute heresy. This is a progressive movement in the church that has been around before, the devil always tries this. The hippie movement of the 60's has produced pastors of today that try to form God into a false image of passivity & tolerance. The lives of the men who are credited mostly for this doctrine have very scandalous lives just like the preachers & their members who ascribe to this. Luther was known for lying , hating Jews, hating the book of Jude & the teaching of Jesus in Matthew starting especially with chapter 5. Calvin was a murderer , who torched people that did not believe in infant baptism.
Paul said do not follow teachers who's lives are full of sin, but avoid them, they are deceived & being deceived.

What amazes me is that anyone would think they would ever be good enough to deserve salvation. Or be acceptable to God.

To say one can lose salvation is in my opinion a slap to the face of Christ, and an insult to God. And makes God out to be a liar and an indian giver!

superdave5221 · Mar 25, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

Are you saying that Paul's letter, which was addressed to the church at Galatia, was not addressed to Christians? Keeping in mind that chapter and verse annotations were added later, and backing up 4 verses into the previous chapter, you find Paul calling them brothers and sisters, twice. He was referring to saved members of the church, not someone who was "thinking about it".

eternally-gratefull · Mar 25, 2011

superdave5221 said:

You mean the Same Paul who started by saying to the "churches" of Galatia, And not to the "saints" (ephesians, or the Or "to those who are sanctified (corinth) Or the saints and breatherin (col) (see a pattern here?)

Of whom he also said some had turned to a different Gospel and this turned from him who "called you to faith"

The same Paul who told the ephesians that the moment they heard the word of truth, the gospel of their salvation they were sealed with the Holy Spirit who was the guarantee of their salvation until the day of redemption (resurrection)

Who told these same Galatians they were foolish for returning to law, in trying to perfect their faith with works?

The same Paul who stated the law was a tutor to bring us to Christ (we know we can not fulfil the law, for all are under sin)

And that it is not the law, but faith!

The same Paul who stated before we were saved, we were slaves to sin? slaves to the law?

The same Paul in the passage you spoke of who stated,

Galatians 5: 1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free ; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

The same message the whole way through. God called you to grace by giving you the gospel of grace, But you are turning to law. And rejecting grace.

Christ offered us freedom to set us free from the law. And warns against returning again to the slavery of the law. and if you do you fall from grace (A person who truly has faith would never return to law, why would he? a person who returns to law shows their faith was in the law. and was never in Christ, they rejected the gospel of grace, and never truly believed it.

So why do people want to put themselves under law? and say sin after salvation can cause us to learn out "free Gift"

VW · Mar 25, 2011

Salvation is coming into the family of God. Salvation is a birth into His family by the Holy Spirit. Grace is the Holy Spirit coming to live in our hearts, and our drawing near to God through Him. All of these things are possible though Jesus Christ and His sacrifice.

VW · Mar 25, 2011

VW said:

I should add that once we are born into God's family, we are of His seed, and His seed abides in us. This is very important.

As to the Law, Paul wrote that the Law was a dividing barrier which actually kept us from salvation, dividing us from the promises of God. He went on to say that when Jesus died, the Law died with Him, in His flesh, removing the barrier.

Jesus gave us a new commandment, that replaces the old commandments with only one, that we love one another even as He has loved us. No one can do this without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, of whom His fruit is love.

trust_in_the_name · Mar 25, 2011

PBUH said:

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; (Philippians 2:12)

I realize that works must be present. My point was that it is not works that save, but God who saves by grace through faith. Works are a necessary product of salvation, and if a person is truly saved, works will follow. True belief entails trusting in God and obeying Him.

PBUH · Mar 25, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

Paul was more dangerous than Saul. The enemy within is more dangerous than one outside. Having said that I don't think Paul knew he was receiving false revelation.

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