One Teacher

[Carpe_diem]

As a true witness to the testimony of Christ, let me assure you that NOTHING but the presence of God will ever satisfy one who is truly born again and a prodigal son. To hear the Father one must be heard by the Father, but first it must be the appointed time the Father draws them...only the Father knows this hour. And this will only happen under the ABSOLUTE control of The Holy Spirit. ALL will humble themselves before His throne in a deep HEART-FELT confession and repentance for the evil of our sins against Him.

Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

The point is to have our dependancy on God the Father, not man and to expect everything from Him...He is the only one who will never disappoint us. What is any man going to tell God He doesn't already know? Who else would you trust but the Lord via the Holy Spirit of Truth...only He knows what's going to happen tomorrow today! Trusting man for anything is apostasy. There is no faith in the seen, we must step out believing the things which are unseen.


MahogonySnail...you are presuming that I learned what I did from a man but I tell you this truth, I did not learn it from any man.


Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

1Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1Jn 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
1Jn 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

Psa 62:5 My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him.
Psa 62:6 He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.
Psa 62:7 In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God.
Psa 62:8 Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.

Psa 118:8It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Abiding In The Vine,
Carpe_diem

 

[Irish76]

As a true witness to the testimony of Christ, let me assure you that NOTHING but the presence of God will ever satisfy one who is truly born again and a prodigal son. To hear the Father one must be heard by the Father, but first it must be the appointed time the Father draws them...only the Father knows this hour. And this will only happen under the ABSOLUTE control of The Holy Spirit. ALL will humble themselves before His throne in a deep HEART-FELT confession and repentance for the evil of our sins against Him.

Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.


Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Abiding In The Vine,
Carpe_diem

Good post. Good Scriptures too, all of them; I especially appreciated the verses from John and Jeremiah.

I have wrestled a lot with the Calvinistic doctrine of predestination as it applies to salvation...I don't object to it anymore. Thanks again for those Scriptures.

 

[MahogonySnail]

MahogonySnail...you are presuming that I learned what I did from a man but I tell you this truth, I did not learn it from any man.

You are quoting verses from the bible which are written by men, so obviously if you learnt it from the bible, you did learn it from man. God has given us teachers and pastors and others to help us learn and teach us.

 

[Carpe_diem]

You are quoting verses from the bible which are written by men, so obviously if you learnt it from the bible, you did learn it from man. God has given us teachers and pastors and others to help us learn and teach us.

Eze 3:27 But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they are a rebellious house.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Carpe_diem

 

[MahogonySnail]

As I said, you are quoting verses from teachers yourself, everytime you quote the bible, and what you post on here could also be considered teaching.

The idea that we don't need teachers is not from God.

 

[Elijah23]

As I said, you are quoting verses from teachers yourself, everytime you quote the bible, and what you post on here could also be considered teaching.

The idea that we don't need teachers is not from God.

[26] I write this to you about those who would deceive you;
[27] but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.
1 John 2:26-27

We’ve shown you this Bible passage over and over again, yet you refuse to believe it. Why? Are you saying we shouldn’t believe the Bible?

 

[shad]

What do we do with this portion of scripture?

Eccl 12:9-14 And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.

10The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.
11The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.
12And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

And what are we to make of these verses in Hebrews 13?

Heb 13:7,17,24 7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. 17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. 24Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

...and 1Tim 5:17Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

We can ignore these scriptures and give them no weight or virtue to our faith. Or do we can agree with God's word and realize that God has put men to rule over us, not lording it over us, but to rule well and teach us the word and doctrine that we may be equipped and throughly furnished unto all good works. We are to obey what they preach and teach and submit ourselves. We are also to greet them and give them double honor that labor in the word and doctrine, who watch for our souls and will have to give an account either with joy or grief.

 

[Buddee]

1 Jn 2:27 doesnt mean that there is nothing that we dont need teachers for. It is referring primarily to things such as brotherly love, knowing right from wrong, etc, we need to consider the whole context of what it is saying. It is not meant to make a general statement that we "don't need teachers at all".

In 1 Th 4:9, Paul says that they are taught by God themself to love one another, and they dont need to hear that from him, but he says this right after giving them a couple of teachings about fornication and defrauding, so obviously some things we dont need teachers for, and other things we do.

We wouldn't get very far in our walk with God without teachers, I would think. Actually by quoting 1 Jn 2:27 you and Carpe Diem are quoting a teacher. , so obviously you need teachers, to tell you that you don't need teachers? . The anointing doesn't exclude being taught by those with the same anointing. As well as each person individually, the Holy Spirit teaches through men and women of God who are gifted with ability to teach. If you are an unbeliever, you need to be taught the truth about God and Jesus , if you are a new christian, you need to be taught by those more mature in the faith, if you are a child, you need Sunday school, if you are a youth, you need youth group teaching.

The early church was set up based on roles of teaching, the apostles had and taught their own disciples, and their disciples taught others etc etc. If it was important for the apostles Paul and Timothy to teach and be taught (see scriptures below), then I don't know why anyone would think it is less important today?


2Th 2:15 Therefore, my brothers, stand fast and hold the teachings which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter.

Gal 6:6 But let him who is taught in the Word share with the one teaching in all good things.

2Ti 2:2 And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit the same to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.


1Co 4:17 For this cause I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved son and faithful in the Lord, who shall remind you of my ways which are in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.

Paul even says that they ought to be teachers, but also that they have need to be taught:

Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Very well put.

 

[Elijah23]

What do we do with this portion of scripture?

Eccl 12:9-14 And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.

10The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.
11The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.
12And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

And what are we to make of these verses in Hebrews 13?

Heb 13:7,17,24 7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. 17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. 24Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

...and 1Tim 5:17Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

We can ignore these scriptures and give them no weight or virtue to our faith. Or do we can agree with God's word and realize that God has put men to rule over us, not lording it over us, but to rule well and teach us the word and doctrine that we may be equipped and throughly furnished unto all good works. We are to obey what they preach and teach and submit ourselves. We are also to greet them and give them double honor that labor in the word and doctrine, who watch for our souls and will have to give an account either with joy or grief.

But you seem to ignore this Scripture:

[26] I write this to you about those who would deceive you;
[27] but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.
1 John 2:26-27

I’m not saying teachers are bad things. I’m just saying that 1 John 2:26-27 is also true.

 

[MahogonySnail]

We’ve shown you this Bible passage over and over again, yet you refuse to believe it. Why? Are you saying we shouldn’t believe the Bible?

I believe it, and I've shown plenty of scriptures about teachers, yes , human teachers. Anyone who says we dont need teachers today is really deceived.

 

[Elijah23]

I believe it, and I've shown plenty of scriptures about teachers, yes , human teachers. Anyone who says we dont need teachers today is really deceived.

You are right in that we need the Lord.