OSAS doctrine denies the faith
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Notice how Jesus refers to a whole wicked generation as “a man” and “ that man” (like Paul said) here in Matthew 12:43-45 “When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.”
Now notice the wording Jesus used showing the “last state of that man” compared to Peters concerning this same falling away in 2 Peter 2:20-22 “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”
This being overcome is shown here in Revelation 13:7 “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” So this spirit of deception and lies would also overcome the saints as is also confirmed here in Daniel 7:21 “I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;” That horn is the tail of the red Dragon, which speaks of the spirit of a lie working in all the world to practice and prosper and cast the truth and some of the host to the ground.
Now notice the wording Jesus used showing the “last state of that man” compared to Peters concerning this same falling away in 2 Peter 2:20-22 “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”
This being overcome is shown here in Revelation 13:7 “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” So this spirit of deception and lies would also overcome the saints as is also confirmed here in Daniel 7:21 “I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;” That horn is the tail of the red Dragon, which speaks of the spirit of a lie working in all the world to practice and prosper and cast the truth and some of the host to the ground.
Anything that is not of the Truth is a lie, whether or not one believes it to be the Truth or not. God's Word is Truth, those who deny the Truth believe the lie. To reject God's words as truth, is to believe the lies of the Devil, for he is the father of lies.
But then they might say, well they were never really born again of the Holy Spirit. But the words of God covers that as well in Hebrews 6:4-8 “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”
Those who say a born again believer cannot fall away from the faith does not believe what the word of God says is true. So by rejecting the Truth, they believe the lie.
But then they might say, well they were never really born again of the Holy Spirit. But the words of God covers that as well in Hebrews 6:4-8 “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”
Those who say a born again believer cannot fall away from the faith does not believe what the word of God says is true. So by rejecting the Truth, they believe the lie.
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you said I CALLED JESUS A SEX ADDICT.
Now your back tracking.
The pharisees said jesus hung out with drunks (a drunk) and prostitutes (a sex addict)
so tell me. where did I CALL JESUS A SEX ADDICT?
You twisting what I said is bot going to help your case. All it is is a straw man argument, which does nothing.
Maybe it helps to convince you?
funny how you have yet to show how what John said in 1 John 3 does not contradict what you claim he meant in 2 john.
All you want to do is make a straw man argument.
then again, I should not have expected any less. you people always do this.
What I said was in response to the words spoken. The words a man speaks is the overflow of his heart. Those who speak lies and hateful words toward others are expressing what is in their heart. This is also according to the word of Truth.
Matthew 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
You will know them by their fruit, or lack thereof.
Matthew 15:18
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
You will know them by their fruit, or lack thereof.
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My way of saying I am not interestes in discussing anything with EG because of our last rounds and given I am being lectures about quoting the word in its context, I bring up the post on the sex addict thing
It wasnt meant to counter anything it was meant to blow off the conversation, but I knew because there are sides here which respond horrendously that the soap box would be taken
It wasnt meant to counter anything it was meant to blow off the conversation, but I knew because there are sides here which respond horrendously that the soap box would be taken