Our new relationship to the law.

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You are mainly preaching tp the choir, friend. I have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

However, I would say that there is no condemnation for the believer who walks according to the Spirit (Romans 8:1). Because he is not under the law (Romans 6:14), is dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and is delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

While as concerning obedience, the believer in Christ has the law written on his heart and mind (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6) and is under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21); which means that he is obedient to it even though he would not be condemned for disobedience.

Praise the Lord in Jesus name is you where baptize like Peter says...Thats awesome! There's two different laws Paul talks about in this chapter. Let's take a look at Roman 8: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. This is true, because Jesus says in John 4: 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Jesus also say in John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. So walking in the spirit is the word of God.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Now, what law is this Paul talking about. This law is animal sacrificial law, not the royal law (Ten Commandments, statutes and Judgement). Paul explained this law in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now, Let's get back to Romans 8: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So what is the righteousness of the law? Let allow Paul to tell us in Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, it is consider walking in the spirit because its part of the law (commandments), to be carnally minded is walk contrary to the law of righteousness.
 

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The sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross is a sacrifice and an offering for sins.
That's true...When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (Hebrews 10)
 

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Of course, as concerning the sabbath day, in Romans 14 we find that there are those who see every day alike and do not hold one day above another; and that these will stand before their own Master.

However, if you believe that you must rest on Saturday, the Bible says let every man be fully convinced in his own mind as to what that is.
 
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Of course, as concerning the sabbath day, in Romans 14 we find that there are those who see every day alike and do not hold one day above another; and that these will stand before their own Master.

However, if you believe that you must rest on Saturday, the Bible says let every man be fully convinced in his own mind as to what that is.
principle is okay but principal is better:[Principle = Laws rule method] Principal the person in charge = pal = friend husband god
 
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Praise the Lord in Jesus name is you where baptize like Peter says...Thats awesome! There's two different laws Paul talks about in this chapter. Let's take a look at Roman 8: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. This is true, because Jesus says in John 4: 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Jesus also say in John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. So walking in the spirit is the word of God.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Now, what law is this Paul talking about. This law is animal sacrificial law, not the royal law (Ten Commandments, statutes and Judgement). Paul explained this law in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now, Let's get back to Romans 8: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So what is the righteousness of the law? Let allow Paul to tell us in Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, it is consider walking in the spirit because its part of the law (commandments), to be carnally minded is walk contrary to the law of righteousness.
Romans 4: 15 "Because the law worketh wrath; for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Adam and Eve were created sinless and with a free will. In the Father's kingdom there is perfect justice and mercy. Creatures with a free will can choose to do God's will and be rewarded or go against God's will and be punished. God let them know that the punishment for eating the fruit of a particular ordinary tree was the knowledge of good and evil which results in death. This knowledge is our conscience and we are all born with it. This conscience that we are born with lets us know right from wrong and we are all under the law. The tendency of mankind is to put what benefits them first even at the expense of someone else, so we are all sinners ( even before the commandments given to Moses).

Perfect justice demands that all be condemned and as an example to other beings of what happens when His laws are violated. If He saves everyone, then there would be lawlessness in heaven since other beings would be tempted to join in. The Father in His mercy decides to save a few throughout the history of mankind.

In order to save the few, the Father sends Jesus ( whose parents are Mary and the Holy Spirit of the Father) to erase the saved's sins. Jesus, full of the Father's Spirit, was perfect in obedience even to the point of death. Jesus allowed Himself to die so that life is owed Him by Father. This life is sprinkled to those that are predestined by the Father. They are the ones that turn to God with repentance and put their trust in the Father's plan to erase their sins by believing that Jesus is life. Still something else has to be done in order to allow humans in heaven. The law can be summarized in two commandments: Love God and Love everyone else. We can't do it on our own, so the Father glorifies Jesus with His Spirit who in turn distributes it to each believer who then become the body of Christ. The Father and Jesus fill the believer's heart with the degree of love necessary to enter heaven as well as knowledge and direction.
 
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You obey the Spirit of the law when all your actions are done with love.
 
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No, not by my power but by His.

Rom 11:20, Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21, For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22, Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.


The devil is stepping up his attacks on my character and teaching; so I must be doing something right.
If it ws truly by his power you could never fail. Nor could I nore could anyone

And you would not believe you have to continue in your power in his love or you would fall away. And be lost.

The devil is not stepping up his attacks on you He has you believing in a lie.
 
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Good luck to you my friend. Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.
I have christ, I do not need luck

Your right, Paul would never have known sin. And he would never have found christ. He would have been lost in his sin and never known.

I will pray for you.
 
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Paul concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, lets see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

(1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
You better be perfect my friend. Thats what the law requires.

If you break one command, you guilty.
 

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The Christians New Relationship to the Law;


Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.


The Pharisees Relationship to the Law;

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
 
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The Christians New Relationship to the Law;


Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.


The Pharisees Relationship to the Law;

Galatians 3:10-12I
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
I like to add that faith is not relationship for faith is a kind of separation from god.Also how can we love one that we are not sure exists?
 

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The Christians New Relationship to the Law;


Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.


The Pharisees Relationship to the Law;

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Jas 1:22, But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23, For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24, For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.


A contradiction?

I think not.

For Galatians 3:10 is speaking of those who are attempting to be justified by the law (see also Galatians 5:1-4).

But in James 1:25 it is speaking of those who know that they have been justified through faith in the blood of Christ and have moved onward and forward in their walks into "obedience to the faith" (Romans 1:5) and "the obedience of faith" (Romans 16:26).
 

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If it ws truly by his power you could never fail. Nor could I nore could anyone

And you would not believe you have to continue in your power in his love or you would fall away. And be lost.

The devil is not stepping up his attacks on you He has you believing in a lie.
It is by His power, although we do fail.

Why do we fail? It is because we take back the ownership of our lives after we have surrendered it to Christ.

As long as Christ is living His life in me and through me (Galatians 2:20), He is going to live a perfect life in me and through me.

It is when I begin to again live my own life that I end up sinning; because Christ is then no longer in control. He is not the Lord of me when I am living my own life. He is only the Lord of me when He is the One doing the living, in me and through me.

But any time I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me (Romans 8:4).

This means that my obedience is dependent on me relying upon His power.

The same power that raised Jesus from the dead, dwells in us.

Eph 1:19, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22, And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,


I believe that the devil has you believing a lie, my friend.

For I am preaching to you the truth. I ask the Lord, every time I post, to cause every word that comes off of my keyboard to be from the Holy Ghost.
 
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It is by His power, although we do fail.
Then its not by his power.

Think about it man.

Why do we fail? It is because we take back the ownership of our lives after we have surrendered it to Christ.

As long as Christ is living His life in me and through me (Galatians 2:20), He is going to live a perfect life in me and through me.

It is when I begin to again live my own life that I end up sinning; because Christ is then no longer in control. He is not the Lord of me when I am living my own life. He is only the Lord of me when He is the One doing the living, in me and through me.

But any time I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me (Romans 8:4).

This means that my obedience is dependent on me relying upon His power.

The same power that raised Jesus from the dead, dwells in us.

Eph 1:19, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22, And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
So its all in your power to resist giving it back.

My god said he will lose nothing or no one.

Stop trusting in self and trust in God my friend.
 

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Then its not by his power.

Think about it man.



So its all in your power to resist giving it back.

My god said he will lose nothing or no one.

Stop trusting in self and trust in God my friend.
Not in my power but in my will.

My performance has nothing to do with my salvation; though it may affect my rewards once I get to heaven.
 
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Not in my power but in my will.

My performance has nothing to do with my salvation; though it may affect my rewards once I get to heaven.
You will is your power man

Grace through faith means just that.

If we can lose something because we did or do not do something, It is not of faith. It is of works

Grace is unearned/ A person who leaves as you say has unearned his salvation.

Which means it was never grace to begin with.
 

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You will is your power man

Grace through faith means just that.

If we can lose something because we did or do not do something, It is not of faith. It is of works

Grace is unearned/ A person who leaves as you say has unearned his salvation.

Which means it was never grace to begin with.
No, it is not about will-power.

A person can have the will to do something but not have the power to do it.

If I have both the power and the will to do something, then I am going to do it.

So, if I have the power to do something (because I have the Holy Spirit), then my will is the determining factor (and not my power).

A person who fails to let Jesus live in him and through him is not unsaved because of it; although he will miss out on some heavenly rewards.

It is my position that we cannot lose our salvation because we did or did not do something; I think that you are projecting your own belief onto my words.
 
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No, it is not about will-power.

A person can have the will to do something but not have the power to do it.

If I have both the power and the will to do something, then I am going to do it.

So, if I have the power to do something (because I have the Holy Spirit), then my will is the determining factor (and not my power).

A person who fails to let Jesus live in him and through him is not unsaved because of it; although he will miss out on some heavenly rewards.

It is my position that we cannot lose our salvation because we did or did not do something; I think that you are projecting your own belief onto my words.
Yep,
Its all about you

You must continue to abide. Or you will fall.

and when you fall. You are lost

Salvation is by faith plus works.

Like I said you need to change your name
 

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Yes, there is a false teaching out there, that the whole concept of "abiding" is not of the Holy Spirit.

Nevertheless, the scripture is clear.

1Jo 3:6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 2:17, And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

1Jo 2:27, But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1Jo 2:28, And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.


Let the reader also note that @eternally-gratefull has misrepresented my position.

For I am not saying that one must abide in order to stay in salvation. One can fail to abide and yet still be saved.

However, eternal rewards will be affected by how often a man abides or else fails to do so.
 

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And again, my position is that "continuing in His goodness" has to do with retaining the love of the Lord in your heart; which is by faith and not by works.

For we receive the Holy Spirit by faith (Galatians 3:14); and the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5).

Therefore, the one who is sealed by the Holy Spirit will not cease to abide in the love of the Lord.
 
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