Paul did NOT die to the law!

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Eccl12and13

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how many times do you have to be told when you try to live by the written Law you'll be tempted?
LOL.

aaahhh.....old age.

man, i feel sorry for your kids.
they must be sinning like crazy in their minds if you're hammering them with the Law.
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You feel sorry for my kids? Let's think about this for a moment.

I'm teaching Him to keep the commandments of God; ALL of them!

Teaching him to respect others. Have respect for the law. Be kind and not vengeful. Help those less fortunate. Obey the laws of the land. And everything else I can think of to do as God commands.

And of course he is sinning in his mind..we all are. But at least he knows there are consequences for doing wrong!


And you feel sorry for my kids? Can you just imagine what the world would be like if others taught their kids the same?


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Eccl12and13 said:
You feel sorry for my kids? Let's think about this for a moment.

I'm teaching Him to keep the commandments of God; ALL of them!

Teaching him to respect others. Have respect for the law. Be kind and not vengeful. Help those less fortunate. Obey the laws of the land. And everything else I can think of to do as God commands.

And of course he is sinning in his mind..we all are. But at least he knows there are consequences for doing wrong!


And you feel sorry for my kids? Can you just imagine what the world would be like if others taught their kids the same?


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But you are teaching him that he will have a righteousness in God's sight of obediance to the law

The power of sin is the law
1Cor15:56
 
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Eccl12and13 said:
You feel sorry for my kids? Let's think about this for a moment.

I'm teaching Him to keep the commandments of God; ALL of them!

Teaching him to respect others. Have respect for the law. Be kind and not vengeful. Help those less fortunate. Obey the laws of the land. And everything else I can think of to do as God commands.

And of course he is sinning in his mind..we all are. But at least he knows there are consequences for doing wrong!

And you feel sorry for my kids? Can you just imagine what the world would be like if others taught their kids the same?
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that's AWESOME!

consequences? like what? HELL?

are you teaching Him Jesus paid the price and he is not under condemnation when he sins?

if he confesses his sin - JUST LIKE IN THE OT, he is forgiven????

if so.....WHAT IN THE NAME OF PETE ARE ALL THESE RANTS OF YOUR ABOUT?

why can't you just be REAL?

you might find out others hold a very high view of the Law as well bud.
 
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Does your boy wet the bed at night?
 
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But you are teaching him that he will have a righteousness in God's sight of obediance to the law

The power of sin is the law
1Cor15:56
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I am teaching him to obey God and keep His commandments. Is that not the will of God? Is it a sin to teach him this?

Because if it is not a sin then it is keeping God's laws.


So which is it? Is teaching my son to obey God and keep His commandments wrong or not?


How simple is this..... yes it is wrong....or no it is not?


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That would be the covenant that was made with Abraham 430 years earlier.
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What I mean is this, the covenant introduced 430 years later does nort set aside the covenant previouskly established by God and thus do away with the promise
For if the inheritance depends on the law then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in His grace gave it to Abraham through a promise
What then was the vpurpose of the law? Ir was added because of transgression, until the seed to whom the promise refered had come
Gal3:17-19

I doubt Eccl sees it this way though
 
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Eccl12and13

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that's AWESOME!

consequences? like what? HELL?
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EXACTLY!

Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


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Eccl12and13 said:
I am teaching him to obey God and keep His commandments. Is that not the will of God? Is it a sin to teach him this?

Because if it is not a sin then it is keeping God's laws.


So which is it? Is teaching my son to obey God and keep His commandments wrong or not?


How simple is this..... yes it is wrong....or no it is not?


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You are teaching him that he has a righteousness before God of law keeping, therefore he is under the law, therefore what Paul wrote, sadly, cannot apply to your family

For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace(Rom6:14)

Scripturally we who do not accept a righteousness of obediance to law, wil far more uphold the good and Holy laws of God he would have us keep than can you. That is somewhat ironic I think
 
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@Eccl
Does your boy wet the bed at night?
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i want to like you:)

ehehehe.

but can you let Americans live out their own destiny according to their origins....which your country never experienced nor suffered for?

and can you renounce that wretched British-Israelism?:D
 
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What I mean is this, the covenant introduced 430 years later does nort set aside the covenant previouskly established by God and thus do away with the promise
For if the inheritance depends on the law then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in His grace gave it to Abraham through a promise
What then was the vpurpose of the law? Ir was added because of transgression, until the seed to whom the promise refered had come
Gal3:17-19

I doubt Eccl sees it this way though
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If memory serves the covenant was unconditional, so you are right, the law had nothing to do with it.
 
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If memory serves the covenant was unconditional, so you are right, the law had nothing to do with it.
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It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith
For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath
Rom4:13&14
 
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i want to like you:)

ehehehe.

but can you let Americans live out their own destiny according to their origins....which your country never experienced nor suffered for?

and can you renounce that wretched British-Israelism?:D
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I admire you anyway, but I sometimes think you get things a bit wrong. :) BI was never a big thing with me anyway I just had to suffer the after breakfast talks in the summer holidays. I'm happy to let prophesy unfold. One thing does concern me though, I reckon if the Ten Commandments were being given today I think the 6th commandment would have something about weapons, cos it's a law thing. :D
 
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EXACTLY!

Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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Would you have been a Pharisee 2000 years ago given the choice Eccl?
 
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I admire you anyway, but I sometimes think you get things a bit wrong. :) BI was never a big thing with me anyway I just had to suffer the after breakfast talks in the summer holidays. I'm happy to let prophesy unfold. One thing does concern me though, I reckon if the Ten Commandments were being given today I think the 6th commandment would have something about weapons, cos it's a law thing. :D
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alright.
so i'll go back to investigating to see if you're a black op then:)



*cough cough*
 
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Is it wrong.....is it a sin to teach my family to obey God and keep His commandments?

Either it is or it is not?


Just to let you know....I will continue to do so.....I'm just wondering if you are brave enough to tell those that may be reading this thread that it is a sin to tell someone to obey God and keep His commandments!



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Eccl12and13 said:
Is it wrong.....is it a sin to teach my family to obey God and keep His commandments?
Either it is or it is not?

Just to let you know....I will continue to do so.....I'm just wondering if you are brave enough to tell those that may be reading this thread that it is a sin to tell someone to obey God and keep His commandments!
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I used to try to tell my daughter positive things to do rather than say no all the time. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head though.
 
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Is it wrong.....is it a sin to teach my family to obey God and keep His commandments?

Either it is or it is not?

Just to let you know....I will continue to do so.....I'm just wondering if there are any that are brave enough to tell those that may be reading this thread that it is a sin to tell someone to obey God and keep His commandments!

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Eccl12and13 said:
Is it wrong.....is it a sin to teach my family to obey God and keep His commandments?

Either it is or it is not?


Just to let you know....I will continue to do so.....I'm just wondering if you are brave enough to tell those that may be reading this thread that it is a sin to tell someone to obey God and keep His commandments!



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I will be brave enough to tell you that to teach a righteousness of law keeping plainly contradicts the Gospel given to the person who wrote nearly half the books of the NT, and such a belief teaches a works based Gospel, and therefore is opposed to the Gospel that has at its heart a righteousness of faith.
As Paul says:

All who rely on observing the law(as you do) are under a curse for it is written. 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the law
Clearly no one is justified before God by the law
Because The righteous will live by faith. The law is not based on faith
Gal3:10&11

It is a gross wrong against the Son of God, who came to earth, suffered and died a terrible death for us, to preach a righteousness of obediance to the law
Yes, to preach or teach such a thing is a grievous error indeed
 
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NONE.
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So NO laws were done away with when Jesus died? So that would mean all are still in effect!

Which is it? Some laws were done away with? All laws were done away with? Or no laws were done away with when Christ died?

Do you even know?


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