Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

[ResidentAlien]

A structure is only as solid as its foundation. In this short study into Pentecostalism's origins we'll discover whether it's built on solid rock or sinking sand.

Charles Fox Parham, Pentecostalism's acknowledged founder, spent the summer of 1900 at Frank W. Sanford's Holiness commune in Shiloh, Maine. While there, he learned of the Holiness doctrine of an approaching "latter rain," that is, an outpouring of the Holy Spirit which would fall on people as it had in the church's early day. This would be a sign of Christ's imminent return. What scriptural basis is there for the latter rain doctrine? James says: "Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains."—James 5:7 This is the only verse from which a case might be made for a latter rain. So we must understand clearly what this verse actually says. Is James instructing his readers to be patient for the latter rain or for Christ's return. He's clearly encouraging them be patient for the Lord's return using an agricultural metaphor to make his point. There are no other New Testament scriptures from which we can put together a "latter rain" doctrine; it simply isn't taught. In fact, rather than worldwide revival, the scriptures clearly reveal the world will descend into darkness before the Lord's return.

While at Shiloh, Sanford filled Parham's head with tales of foreign missionaries who had spontaneously begun speaking the language of their foreign hosts without ever learning the language. In other words, they could preach to them in their own languages using the gift of tongues. But what evidence is there of this ever really happening? None that I'm aware of. But Parham was fascinated; he was convinced that this was a sure sign of the end-time and Christ's imminent return.

Returning to Topeka, Kansas, Parham established a missionary training center. In December of 1900, he challenged his students to find evidence of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit like what happened in Acts 2. He also suggested that the surest evidence of this would be speaking in tongues. At their New Year's eve service, 1901, right on schedule, Agnes Ozman asked Parham to lay hands on her head and pray she would receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Ozman began singing in an unknown language, which someone identified as Chinese.

What's strange about this picture? First of all, there's no evidence from the New Testament that missionaries ever used the gift of tongues to preach the good news. When missionaries did eventually go to foreign countries after the "latter rains" started falling, they failed miserably. Secondly, notice that Parham gave his students a suggestion which they pondered for a month. This wasn't a spontaneous outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Parham orchestrated the whole thing.

So, the question I leave you with is this: If the tree is bad, how can the fruit possibly be good?

 

[CS1]

A structure is only as solid as its foundation. In this short study into Pentecostalism's origins we'll discover whether it's built on solid rock or sinking sand.

Charles Fox Parham, Pentecostalism's acknowledged founder, spent the summer of 1900 at Frank W. Sanford's Holiness commune in Shiloh, Maine. While there, he learned of the Holiness doctrine of an approaching "latter rain," that is, an outpouring of the Holy Spirit which would fall on people as it had in the church's early day. This would be a sign of Christ's imminent return. What scriptural basis is there for the latter rain doctrine? James says: "Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains."—James 5:7 This is the only verse from which a case might be made for a latter rain. So we must understand clearly what this verse actually says. Is James instructing his readers to be patient for the latter rain or for Christ's return. He's clearly encouraging them be patient for the Lord's return using an agricultural metaphor to make his point. There are no other New Testament scriptures from which we can put together a "latter rain" doctrine; it simply isn't taught. In fact, rather than worldwide revival, the scriptures clearly reveal the world will descend into darkness before the Lord's return.

While at Shiloh, Sanford filled Parham's head with tales of foreign missionaries who had spontaneously begun speaking the language of their foreign hosts without ever learning the language. In other words, they could preach to them in their own languages using the gift of tongues. But what evidence is there of this ever really happening? None that I'm aware of. But Parham was fascinated; he was convinced that this was a sure sign of the end-time and Christ's imminent return.

Returning to Topeka, Kansas, Parham established a missionary training center. In December of 1900, he challenged his students to find evidence of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit like what happened in Acts 2. He also suggested that the surest evidence of this would be speaking in tongues. At their New Year's eve service, 1901, right on schedule, Agnes Ozman asked Parham to lay hands on her head and pray she would receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Ozman began singing in an unknown language, which someone identified as Chinese.

What's strange about this picture? First of all, there's no evidence from the New Testament that missionaries ever used the gift of tongues to preach the good news. When missionaries did eventually go to foreign countries after the "latter rains" started falling, they failed miserably. Secondly, notice that Parham gave his students a suggestion which they pondered for a month. This wasn't a spontaneous outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Parham orchestrated the whole thing.

So, the question I leave you with is this: If the tree is bad, how can the fruit possibly be good?

 

[MattforJesus]

A structure is only as solid as its foundation. In this short study into Pentecostalism's origins we'll discover whether it's built on solid rock or sinking sand.

Charles Fox Parham, Pentecostalism's acknowledged founder, spent the summer of 1900 at Frank W. Sanford's Holiness commune in Shiloh, Maine. While there, he learned of the Holiness doctrine of an approaching "latter rain," that is, an outpouring of the Holy Spirit which would fall on people as it had in the church's early day. This would be a sign of Christ's imminent return. What scriptural basis is there for the latter rain doctrine? James says: "Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains."—James 5:7 This is the only verse from which a case might be made for a latter rain. So we must understand clearly what this verse actually says. Is James instructing his readers to be patient for the latter rain or for Christ's return. He's clearly encouraging them be patient for the Lord's return using an agricultural metaphor to make his point. There are no other New Testament scriptures from which we can put together a "latter rain" doctrine; it simply isn't taught. In fact, rather than worldwide revival, the scriptures clearly reveal the world will descend into darkness before the Lord's return.

While at Shiloh, Sanford filled Parham's head with tales of foreign missionaries who had spontaneously begun speaking the language of their foreign hosts without ever learning the language. In other words, they could preach to them in their own languages using the gift of tongues. But what evidence is there of this ever really happening? None that I'm aware of. But Parham was fascinated; he was convinced that this was a sure sign of the end-time and Christ's imminent return.

Returning to Topeka, Kansas, Parham established a missionary training center. In December of 1900, he challenged his students to find evidence of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit like what happened in Acts 2. He also suggested that the surest evidence of this would be speaking in tongues. At their New Year's eve service, 1901, right on schedule, Agnes Ozman asked Parham to lay hands on her head and pray she would receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Ozman began singing in an unknown language, which someone identified as Chinese.

What's strange about this picture? First of all, there's no evidence from the New Testament that missionaries ever used the gift of tongues to preach the good news. When missionaries did eventually go to foreign countries after the "latter rains" started falling, they failed miserably. Secondly, notice that Parham gave his students a suggestion which they pondered for a month. This wasn't a spontaneous outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Parham orchestrated the whole thing.

So, the question I leave you with is this: If the tree is bad, how can the fruit possibly be good?

Despite the things people say about Pentecostal one thing I have noticed is they uphold holiness and being like Christ led by the Spirit with no faltering and no making excuses more than any other denomination I know.

Especially Apostolic Pentecostals which how can a denomination that people are against saying they do wrong have the best moral behavior.

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits.

I have hung around Pentecostals, and Baptists, and Catholics, but the Pentecostals overall act more like Christ than those other ones.

They are strict in morality and will a person say that is wrong.

They say we have the truth and then believe sin does not affect their relationship with God and many hypocrites.

And then say they are wrong and they are acting more like Christ in behavior and attitude.

What is going on.

Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

I do not think this means a revival but Jesus to receive the saints unto Himself.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.

This happened at the day of Pentecost and should be the same through the history of the Church.

Why would there be a latter rain of the Spirit poured out on people when it started at Pentecost and is the same throughout Church history.

The Spirit has been poured out since Pentecost and continues to be the same throughout Church history.

There is no latter rain of the Spirit being poured out that is something that has not been going on already since Pentecost.

 

[DeanM]

Despite the things people say about Pentecostal one thing I have noticed is they uphold holiness and being like Christ led by the Spirit with no faltering and no making excuses more than any other denomination I know.

Especially Apostolic Pentecostals which how can a denomination that people are against saying they do wrong have the best moral behavior.

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits.

I have hung around Pentecostals, and Baptists, and Catholics, but the Pentecostals overall act more like Christ than those other ones.

They are strict in morality and will a person say that is wrong.

They say we have the truth and then believe sin does not affect their relationship with God and many hypocrites.

And then say they are wrong and they are acting more like Christ in behavior and attitude.

What is going on.

Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

I do not think this means a revival but Jesus to receive the saints unto Himself.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.

This happened at the day of Pentecost and should be the same through the history of the Church.

Why would there be a latter rain of the Spirit poured out on people when it started at Pentecost and is the same throughout Church history.

The Spirit has been poured out since Pentecost and continues to be the same throughout Church history.

There is no latter rain of the Spirit being poured out that is something that has not been going on already since Pentecost.

Despite the things people say about Pentecostal one thing I have noticed is they uphold holiness and being like Christ led by the Spirit with no faltering and no making excuses more than any other denomination I know.

I agree. Ive also found Pentecostals more adament about Christ crucified which some denomination preachers, while they know, they dont press it as they should imo. I could be biased as I have a brother in law as well as a son in law bothe Pentecostal ministers in different churches in different states. As someone without a church ( couple of reasons) im leaning toward a Pentecostal church just for the preaching. Singing aint bad either. As for tongues? Both my relative preachers say its true. So if I find a church and it ever happens to me I will let everyone know.

 

[jb]

. There are no other New Testament scriptures from which we can put together a "latter rain" doctrine...

There is, but not necessarily by that term!

Acts 2v16-21,38,39: v17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh...

3v19-21: v19,20 "so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ..."

You seem to suffer from what is called intellectual and spiritual dishonesty! 2Peter 3v15,16.

 

[Evmur]

A structure is only as solid as its foundation. In this short study into Pentecostalism's origins we'll discover whether it's built on solid rock or sinking sand.

Charles Fox Parham, Pentecostalism's acknowledged founder, spent the summer of 1900 at Frank W. Sanford's Holiness commune in Shiloh, Maine. While there, he learned of the Holiness doctrine of an approaching "latter rain," that is, an outpouring of the Holy Spirit which would fall on people as it had in the church's early day. This would be a sign of Christ's imminent return. What scriptural basis is there for the latter rain doctrine? James says: "Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains."—James 5:7 This is the only verse from which a case might be made for a latter rain. So we must understand clearly what this verse actually says. Is James instructing his readers to be patient for the latter rain or for Christ's return. He's clearly encouraging them be patient for the Lord's return using an agricultural metaphor to make his point. There are no other New Testament scriptures from which we can put together a "latter rain" doctrine; it simply isn't taught. In fact, rather than worldwide revival, the scriptures clearly reveal the world will descend into darkness before the Lord's return.

While at Shiloh, Sanford filled Parham's head with tales of foreign missionaries who had spontaneously begun speaking the language of their foreign hosts without ever learning the language. In other words, they could preach to them in their own languages using the gift of tongues. But what evidence is there of this ever really happening? None that I'm aware of. But Parham was fascinated; he was convinced that this was a sure sign of the end-time and Christ's imminent return.

Returning to Topeka, Kansas, Parham established a missionary training center. In December of 1900, he challenged his students to find evidence of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit like what happened in Acts 2. He also suggested that the surest evidence of this would be speaking in tongues. At their New Year's eve service, 1901, right on schedule, Agnes Ozman asked Parham to lay hands on her head and pray she would receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Ozman began singing in an unknown language, which someone identified as Chinese.

What's strange about this picture? First of all, there's no evidence from the New Testament that missionaries ever used the gift of tongues to preach the good news. When missionaries did eventually go to foreign countries after the "latter rains" started falling, they failed miserably. Secondly, notice that Parham gave his students a suggestion which they pondered for a month. This wasn't a spontaneous outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Parham orchestrated the whole thing.

So, the question I leave you with is this: If the tree is bad, how can the fruit possibly be good?

Pentecostalism was around before Asuza. it was around in Eastern Europe as well as America and Africa in the 18th century.

If you were a Pharisee in the 1st century you could paint a pretty dodgy picture about the sketchy origins about the supposed "upper room" out-pouring.

Asuza St, was a mixed work and actually did not last but a few years.

 

[Magpi89]

A structure is only as solid as its foundation. In this short study into Pentecostalism's origins we'll discover whether it's built on solid rock or sinking sand.

Charles Fox Parham, Pentecostalism's acknowledged founder, spent the summer of 1900 at Frank W. Sanford's Holiness commune in Shiloh, Maine. While there, he learned of the Holiness doctrine of an approaching "latter rain," that is, an outpouring of the Holy Spirit which would fall on people as it had in the church's early day. This would be a sign of Christ's imminent return. What scriptural basis is there for the latter rain doctrine? James says: "Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient about it, until it receives the early and the late rains."—James 5:7 This is the only verse from which a case might be made for a latter rain. So we must understand clearly what this verse actually says. Is James instructing his readers to be patient for the latter rain or for Christ's return. He's clearly encouraging them be patient for the Lord's return using an agricultural metaphor to make his point. There are no other New Testament scriptures from which we can put together a "latter rain" doctrine; it simply isn't taught. In fact, rather than worldwide revival, the scriptures clearly reveal the world will descend into darkness before the Lord's return.

While at Shiloh, Sanford filled Parham's head with tales of foreign missionaries who had spontaneously begun speaking the language of their foreign hosts without ever learning the language. In other words, they could preach to them in their own languages using the gift of tongues. But what evidence is there of this ever really happening? None that I'm aware of. But Parham was fascinated; he was convinced that this was a sure sign of the end-time and Christ's imminent return.

Returning to Topeka, Kansas, Parham established a missionary training center. In December of 1900, he challenged his students to find evidence of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit like what happened in Acts 2. He also suggested that the surest evidence of this would be speaking in tongues. At their New Year's eve service, 1901, right on schedule, Agnes Ozman asked Parham to lay hands on her head and pray she would receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Ozman began singing in an unknown language, which someone identified as Chinese.

What's strange about this picture? First of all, there's no evidence from the New Testament that missionaries ever used the gift of tongues to preach the good news. When missionaries did eventually go to foreign countries after the "latter rains" started falling, they failed miserably. Secondly, notice that Parham gave his students a suggestion which they pondered for a month. This wasn't a spontaneous outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Parham orchestrated the whole thing.

So, the question I leave you with is this: If the tree is bad, how can the fruit possibly be good?

Yes, I agree that based on this account, both Parham and Ozman sound like dodgy characters trying to convince the congregation for evidence of an outpouring of the holy spirit through tongues-speaking (in this example, someone claimed that it was Chinese).

1 Cor 14:22 also says this:
"Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers." (ESV)

From this passage, the application of tongues is for the preaching of the gospel to unbelievers when God's Spirit works to enable the unbeliever to hear and understand the spoken word from the preacher (medium) in his own native language.

 

[Evmur]

Yes, I agree that based on this account, both Parham and Ozman sound like dodgy characters trying to convince the congregation for evidence of an outpouring of the holy spirit through tongues-speaking (in this example, someone claimed that it was Chinese).

1 Cor 14:22 also says this:
"Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers." (ESV)

From this passage, the application of tongues is for the preaching of the gospel to unbelievers when God's Spirit works to enable the unbeliever to hear and understand the spoken word from the preacher (medium) in his own native language.

yass tongues as a sign is to unbelievers ... in the upper room there were no foreigners, no unbelievers ....

 

[soberxp]

Tongues used for preach Gospel at once, I can not use chinese chat with you,cuz you don't understand chinese, but since we can learn others tongues...........I could chat with you in English,Why insist on tongues?

and ofc bad tree can not have good fruit.

 

[CS1]

Tongues used for preach Gospel at once, I can not use chinese chat with you,cuz you don't understand chinese, but since we can learn others tongues...........I could chat with you in English,Why insist on tongues?

and ofc bad tree can not have good fruit.

 

[Aidan1]

Despite the things people say about Pentecostal one thing I have noticed is they uphold holiness and being like Christ led by the Spirit with no faltering and no making excuses more than any other denomination I know.

Especially Apostolic Pentecostals which how can a denomination that people are against saying they do wrong have the best moral behavior.

Jesus said you will know them by their fruits.

I have hung around Pentecostals, and Baptists, and Catholics, but the Pentecostals overall act more like Christ than those other ones.

They are strict in morality and will a person say that is wrong.

They say we have the truth and then believe sin does not affect their relationship with God and many hypocrites.

And then say they are wrong and they are acting more like Christ in behavior and attitude.

What is going on.

Jas 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

I do not think this means a revival but Jesus to receive the saints unto Himself.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.

This happened at the day of Pentecost and should be the same through the history of the Church.

Why would there be a latter rain of the Spirit poured out on people when it started at Pentecost and is the same throughout Church history.

The Spirit has been poured out since Pentecost and continues to be the same throughout Church history.

There is no latter rain of the Spirit being poured out that is something that has not been going on already since Pentecost.

Maby you can find good morality, but this is no proof. I met Hindus with a giid morality and the blame the Western countrys (christians) to have a bad morality.
Two of my friends one father of 5 boys devorced his wife aber he attending of an pentecostal church. Another frien

Pentecostalism was around before Asuza. it was around in Eastern Europe as well as America and Africa in the 18th century.

If you were a Pharisee in the 1st century you could paint a pretty dodgy picture about the sketchy origins about the supposed "upper room" out-pouring.

Asuza St, was a mixed work and actually did not last but a few years.

So where is the proof for that pentecostalism was before Azuza and Topeka? Where was expierienced and taught that speaking in tongues is the sign that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit in eastern europe and africa?

 

[ResidentAlien]

I need to correct something. I said "New Year's eve service, 1901," but it should be 1900, sorry.

 

[soberxp]

I need to correct something. I said "New Year's eve service, 1901," but it should be 1900, sorry.

May I ask you a question,Is your view of tongues a bad fruit?
But I just think some believers are too obsessed with tongues.

 

[ResidentAlien]

May I ask you a question,Is your view of tongues a bad fruit?

To answer your question, yes, I do; but it goes beyond that. In my original post I mentioned the "latter rain" doctrine. I first started becoming skeptical of Pentecostalism when I started hearing about this. As far as I can tell, based on my understanding of scripture, it's a false doctrine. I can't find "latter rain" or a worldwide revival in the New Testament. All I see is a descent into deception and darkness. Pentecostalism, in my view, is a big part the deception. What's it been now, over 120 years since Topeka? If the gift of tongues that supposedly manifested in 1900 was a sign of the Lord's imminent return, what's taking so long? I wouldn't call 120 years very imminent.

 

[soberxp]

To answer your question, yes, I do; but it goes beyond that. In my original post I mentioned the "latter rain" doctrine. I first started becoming skeptical of Pentecostalism when I started hearing about this. As far as I can tell, based on my understanding of scripture, it's a false doctrine. I can't find "latter rain" or a worldwide revival in the New Testament. All I see is a descent into deception and darkness. Pentecostalism, in my view, is a big part the deception. What's it been now, over 120 years since Topeka? If the gift of tongues that supposedly manifested in 1900 was a sign of the Lord's imminent return, what's taking so long? I wouldn't call 120 years very imminent.

Isaiah
Chapter 45
13
I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.

Matthew
Chapter 3
3
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Mark
Chapter 1
3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Luke
Chapter 3
4
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

John
Chapter 1
23
He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

Hebrews
Chapter 12
13
And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
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First of all, funny thing is that God is always with us,he never leave us, and his wisdom is higher than we can measure,

Did "Chinese" really appear in the thing you said,then you should read this link blow .
https://christianchat.com/threads/the-second-coming-of-jesus.193968/unread

In my opinion, they just want to prove something about "second coming", maybe part of it is correct, maybe they are also partly wrong.
I don't see any more mistakes about them, let God judge them but not us.
But we can do the right thing at present that is And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.-Hebrews 12:13

First, forgive others for their mistakes,such as "tongues". for we forgive others ,our God also forgive our mistakes.
In fact, most of the time, there are some very small problems, which lead to constant contradictions within Christianity.


You say you belong to Paul, you say you belong to Peter, you say you belong to tongues
We've all been blind sometimes, we've all been deaf sometimes.

 

[soberxp]

and?
What is your point ?
I think we can understand the Bible in different ways, but in general it must be the same.

 

[Nehemiah6]

This is the only verse from which a case might be made for a latter rain.

Actually if you go to the King James Bible you will find that "latter" AND "rain"
occurs 27 times in 9 verses in the KJV, including 7 exact phrases.

However, I am not posting this to support Pentecostalism. Just to clarify what you stated. At the same time, regardless of the differences that others have with Pentecostalism, the fact remains that Pentecostals are brothers and sisters in Christ. Albeit misled.

 

[soberxp]

Actually if you go to the King James Bible you will find that "latter" AND "rain"
occurs 27 times in 9 verses in the KJV, including 7 exact phrases.

However, I am not posting this to support Pentecostalism. Just to clarify what you stated. At the same time, regardless of the differences that others have with Pentecostalism, the fact remains that Pentecostals are brothers and sisters in Christ. Albeit misled.

You remind me of this, perhaps Pentecostalism What they described as after the rain is James 5:16-20 .


James
Chapter 5
16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
17
Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
18
And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
19
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

 

[Blade]

In my so called "library" I have a book on this. So as I do every time with a post I go. back and search no offense my bother but you didn't even begin to touch this. Yes praise GOD something wonderful happen at Azusa Street. not the first time since Christ went up the people of God.. hmm acted (lack of a bette word) like this. Have to keep digging. If were going to quote the word and then believe it. So is it not written love believers all things? Faith.. see the good first.. share that then share more.

In your first post something stood out... the first time I came across it. Its clear what this is about. But.. you could have just copied and pasted "Politically and socially, Pentecostalism originated in churches filled with people who were poor and oppressed and it has never forgotten those roots. Its early leaders were working class Christians with a very similar life experience to the people they led"

You could have added more as in ......."Pentecostalism is a form of Christianity that emphasises the work of the Holy Spirit and the direct experience of the presence of God by the believer. Pentecostals believe that faith must be powerfully experiential, and not something found merely through ritual or thinking. Pentecostalism is energetic and dynamic"

Truth the only place I hear SO MUCH about *ISM is on Christian forums. We do know Christ does not put us in groups. You will be with those that jump shout run around the Church and dance and those that sign in tongues. You will be with those that believe gifts are dead gone never even raise their hands when worshiping. Yeah there is no such thing with God as *ism nor doctrines of man nor denominations. See its all about HIM and HIM alone. He's the vine no you not me. We are just branches.... everything with in that branch comes from the vine. NO way do I ever put my self in some *ism. I again just searched on all the *ism. there is not ONE I have ever just followed. Heard watched read but yeah.. praise GOD for them.. THEM not just one I like more or dislike.. them. They LOVE Jesus.. HE is what I look for when someone talks. Sorry got lost here.

 

[SophieT]

A structure is only as solid as its foundation. In this short study into Pentecostalism's origins we'll discover whether it's built on solid rock or sinking sand.