People who reject the gospel love their sins

[MyrtleTrees]

The reason people reject the gospel, is that they love their sins! The gospel is that "light" spoken of in the following passage:
John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
KJV

 

[SheepMary]

37All that the Father gives me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will never cast out. John 6:37

44No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me— John 6:44-45

47Whoever is of God hears the words of God. John 8:47

11In Him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, Eph 1:11

 

[throughfaith]

37All that the Father gives me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will never cast out. John 6:37

44No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me— John 6:44-45

47Whoever is of God hears the words of God. John 8:47

11In Him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, Eph 1:11

The inheritance is future meaning being predestined is future.

All those verse in John are referring to before the cross in which The father was drawing at that time before Jesus draws ALL men in John 12 .

 

[throughfaith]

The reason people reject the gospel, is that they love their sins! The gospel is that "light" spoken of in the following passage:
John 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
KJV

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And as John macArthur would say , its because God has determined for them to love their sin and remain unable to believe the Gospel, because they have not been chosen to be saved before the foundation of the world.

 

[Blik]

The question then becomes whether confessing sins is enough, do we need to give up the love of our sins, or in other words, do we need to repent?

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

But does that verse stand alone? In the next verses of 1 John it says: 1 John 2: 3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

We know, and John points out that we cannot obtain perfect obedience, but this is speaking of the will to obey.

These verses say that by obedience it (our salvation) is made complete, but is it required?

 

[MyrtleTrees]

And as John macArthur would say , its because God has determined for them to love their sin and remain unable to believe the Gospel, because they have not been chosen to be saved before the foundation of the world.

John MacArthur has never said that God has determined for them to love their sin. He only knows that God knows ahead of time, who will reject God, and who will accept him, throughout the rest of time here on the earth. And I see that as correct, as God knows all things - and the beginning and the end of all things. John is like me - we both pray for as many as is possible - to get saved. And he, as a public preacher - invites people to get saved.

 

[throughfaith]

John MacArthur has never said that God has determined for them to love their sin. He only knows that God knows ahead of time, who will reject God, and who will accept him, throughout the rest of time here on the earth. And I see that as correct, as God knows all things - and the beginning and the end of all things. John is like me - we both pray for as many as is possible - to get saved. And he, as a public preacher - invites people to get saved.

He believes in ' absolute predestination ' .

 

[Magenta]

1 Timothy 2:1-4

Isaiah 45:22 + Revelation 3:20

Revelation 22:16-17

 

[Deuteronomy]

He believes in ' absolute predestination '.

Hello throughfaith, I've heard of absolute sovereignty, absolute authority, absolute power, etc., but what does "absolute predestination" mean Can something/someone be partially predestined

Also, where did you read or hear MacArthur using that terminology (as I'd love to see the context that he used it in)?

Thanks!

~Deut

 

[throughfaith]

Hello throughfaith, I've heard of absolute sovereignty, absolute authority, absolute power, etc., but what does "absolute predestination" mean Can something/someone be partially predestined

Also, where did you read or hear MacArthur using that terminology (as I'd love to see the context that he used it in)?

Thanks!

~Deut

Hello Deut .
JEROME ZANCHIUS . " The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination"

 

[throughfaith]

Hello throughfaith, I've heard of absolute sovereignty, absolute authority, absolute power, etc., but what does "absolute predestination" mean Can something/someone be partially predestined

Also, where did you read or hear MacArthur using that terminology (as I'd love to see the context that he used it in)?

Thanks!

~Deut

I don't believe the bible says that Anyone is predestined until after they become in Christ . Then they are predestined to future Glorification.

 

[Deuteronomy]

Hello Deut .
JEROME ZANCHIUS . " The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination"

I see, so MacArthur didn't say it, but your understanding of Zanchius' teaching is what you believe MacArthur actually means

Which, of course, begs the question that I should have asked you from the get-go, what do YOU believe the phrase "absolute predestination" means

Thanks!

~Deut
p.s. - Jerome Zanchius appears to LOVE the word "absolute" Thank you for the link

 

[Godcares]

Yes, it the love of sin that causes many to reject the gospel. The root of atheism is actually the love of sin. I wish atheists would be honest about this.

I had a discussion with a colleague who told me that he had read the bible and he believes it, but is not a Christian. I asked him why he is not a Christian and he told me that the Christian lifestyle did not suit him. He said that he enjoys partying and having a “good time” and doing things that the bible forbids.

I respect that guy, not because of the life he has chosen, but because he was honest with himself and others. He wanted to live the life of sin and was honest about it. Many people read the bible and do not like what they read and try to convince themselves that God does not exist, or convince themselves that evolution is true. When the real reason is that they do not want to obey God.