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princessdeb4111962

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PLEASE HELP ME
my husband Bob tells me he believes that Jesus died for ur sins but he doesn't believe that he rosed again on the 3rd day,even when the Bible talks about His days back on earth.he is one of those peope to u have to see it to believe it,I tell him he has to have Faith,but he doesn't understand,if Jesus came back after He died,N healed the sick,Y can't He do it again?I'm a new walking Christian.Love to have others opinon. Can anyone help me with scriptures Please? God bless
 

wattie

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Alright.. some apologetics for ya :)

Most historians who are worth their salt.. agree (even secular ones) that Jesus really lived.

The reason why they believe this.. is because their is so much historical evidence that He lived that it would be stupid to say He didn't.

NOW

The evidence that He lived.. is equally as strong that He died and rose again--

(1Co 15:3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures;
(1Co 15:4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures:
(1Co 15:5) And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
(1Co 15:6) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
(1Co 15:7) After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
(1Co 15:8) And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

So firstly-

Paul wrote this passage down at a time close to the death and ressurection of Jesus.. so it cannot be counted as legend/myth

-add to this the fact that this passage was handed down to him by someone else.. and it becomes something that was recorded even closer to Jesus' life and death and ressurection.


Why is this important? Because Paul was writing things that others could read and say whether it was wrong or not.. they could invalidate what he was writing.. because the people who knew Jesus.. who were eyewitnesses of Him were still around to challenge what he wrote.

But you do not see this scripture being scrapped because it isn't what happened.. but the scripture challenging people of the time to know that this Jesus is the Messiah who was to come!


But yah..

Did Jesus die? YES! The method the Romans used to crucify Jesus was, although not exact science, very brutal.. alot of people did not survive the beatings given them before they got to the cross.

Now.. Jesus' tomb is empty.. there is no body in it.. this is an historical fact.

So.. was His body stolen? No!

The disciples were dispersed abroad.. and running scared because their master was killed.. they had no motive to go and steal the body.
The tomb itself was sealed strongly.. and had guards protecting it.. who could be punished severely if anyone tried to get in to it to steal the body.


So.. did Jesus somehow survive the beating given Him- and revive in the tomb? NO!

When Jesus said to the Father.. "Into your hands I commit my spirit" .... this is when He breathed His last. To make sure He was dead.. He was stabbed in the side by a spear.. piercing the heart.

What comes out of his body when stabbed- "blood and water"

This blood and water coming out seems strange.. but matches a medical condition whereby the lungs are built up with liquid from teh constant act of Jesus trying to lift Himself up to breath in his crucified position.. and the blood being what comes out when the heart is pierced.

So.. He was beaten before the cross.. near to death.. had a crown of thorns on His head that would give pain that could lead to death.. He was nailed in parts of His wrists that would give pain that could lead to death.. He was placed in a position on the cross.. that made it very difficult to breath properly could lead to death by lungs giving up.. His joints were pulled out of place to get him in the right place on the cross.. would could lead to death.

Then in the tomb He was wrapped in a cloth that would suffocate the life of Jesus if He had any life left in him.

So He was DEAD--

Now.. if He somehow.. incredibly.. miraculously survived all this.. and woke up in the tomb..mostly dead..

how on earth could he roll away teh stone himself.. get past the guards.. and also convince the disciples.. in the state He was.. that He was risen again?

NO.. that is ridiculous.. He had to be truly risen with His newly restored body.. for the disciples to claim His resurrection.



Paul - talking to the Jews--

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Act 18:5 And when Silas and Timothy were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

Act 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, showing by the Scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Scriptures = Old Testament

Paul reasoned that Jesus was the Christ.. the Messiah.. by using Old Testament scriptures! The OT predicts the Messiah - In Isiaah 53 and other parts- doing exactly what Jesus did on the cross.
 

wattie

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Jesus won't be coming again to heal the sick and all.. because the point of His 2nd coming is for taking up His saved ones..

He already established Himself as the Messiah when He came back to fulfill OT scripture.. doesn't have to do it again.
 
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well without to 3 page report that would choke a bible scholar. Jesus said that he was going away to prepare a place for us, and when he came back he would take us with Him, When He takes us with Him, then we will receive the ultimate healing, in the twinkling of the eye we will be changed. But He said for your Husband not to worry, for if He went away then the comforter would come and teach us and guide us in all things. now men all in the New testament after Jesus left were giving power through that comforter/ the Holy Spirit, to heal and minister even as Christ did while he was here If your Husband is sick, please tell Him that Jesus is still with him through the Holy Spirit, and that he needs to find a church if he has not already that believes in;

Jas 5:13Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.Jas 5:14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:Jas 5:15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.Jas 5:16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
 
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princessdeb4111962

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well without to 3 page report that would choke a bible scholar. Jesus said that he was going away to prepare a place for us, and when he came back he would take us with Him, When He takes us with Him, then we will receive the ultimate healing, in the twinkling of the eye we will be changed. But He said for your Husband not to worry, for if He went away then the comforter would come and teach us and guide us in all things. now men all in the New testament after Jesus left were giving power through that comforter/ the Holy Spirit, to heal and minister even as Christ did while he was here If your Husband is sick, please tell Him that Jesus is still with him through the Holy Spirit, and that he needs to find a church if he has not already that believes in;

Jas 5:13Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.Jas 5:14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:Jas 5:15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.Jas 5:16Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Hello Pastor Keith,
Thanks,but remember my husband isn't saved yet,so It would b hard for the Holy Spirit to b in him,right???God bless
 
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princessdeb4111962

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Alright.. some apologetics for ya :)

Most historians who are worth their salt.. agree (even secular ones) that Jesus really lived.

The reason why they believe this.. is because their is so much historical evidence that He lived that it would be stupid to say He didn't.

NOW

The evidence that He lived.. is equally as strong that He died and rose again--

(1Co 15:3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures;
(1Co 15:4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures:
(1Co 15:5) And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
(1Co 15:6) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
(1Co 15:7) After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
(1Co 15:8) And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

So firstly-

Paul wrote this passage down at a time close to the death and ressurection of Jesus.. so it cannot be counted as legend/myth

-add to this the fact that this passage was handed down to him by someone else.. and it becomes something that was recorded even closer to Jesus' life and death and ressurection.


Why is this important? Because Paul was writing things that others could read and say whether it was wrong or not.. they could invalidate what he was writing.. because the people who knew Jesus.. who were eyewitnesses of Him were still around to challenge what he wrote.

But you do not see this scripture being scrapped because it isn't what happened.. but the scripture challenging people of the time to know that this Jesus is the Messiah who was to come!


But yah..

Did Jesus die? YES! The method the Romans used to crucify Jesus was, although not exact science, very brutal.. alot of people did not survive the beatings given them before they got to the cross.

Now.. Jesus' tomb is empty.. there is no body in it.. this is an historical fact.

So.. was His body stolen? No!

The disciples were dispersed abroad.. and running scared because their master was killed.. they had no motive to go and steal the body.
The tomb itself was sealed strongly.. and had guards protecting it.. who could be punished severely if anyone tried to get in to it to steal the body.


So.. did Jesus somehow survive the beating given Him- and revive in the tomb? NO!

When Jesus said to the Father.. "Into your hands I commit my spirit" .... this is when He breathed His last. To make sure He was dead.. He was stabbed in the side by a spear.. piercing the heart.

What comes out of his body when stabbed- "blood and water"

This blood and water coming out seems strange.. but matches a medical condition whereby the lungs are built up with liquid from teh constant act of Jesus trying to lift Himself up to breath in his crucified position.. and the blood being what comes out when the heart is pierced.

So.. He was beaten before the cross.. near to death.. had a crown of thorns on His head that would give pain that could lead to death.. He was nailed in parts of His wrists that would give pain that could lead to death.. He was placed in a position on the cross.. that made it very difficult to breath properly could lead to death by lungs giving up.. His joints were pulled out of place to get him in the right place on the cross.. would could lead to death.

Then in the tomb He was wrapped in a cloth that would suffocate the life of Jesus if He had any life left in him.

So He was DEAD--

Now.. if He somehow.. incredibly.. miraculously survived all this.. and woke up in the tomb..mostly dead..

how on earth could he roll away teh stone himself.. get past the guards.. and also convince the disciples.. in the state He was.. that He was risen again?

NO.. that is ridiculous.. He had to be truly risen with His newly restored body.. for the disciples to claim His resurrection.



Paul - talking to the Jews--

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Act 18:5 And when Silas and Timothy were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

Act 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publicly, showing by the Scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Scriptures = Old Testament

Paul reasoned that Jesus was the Christ.. the Messiah.. by using Old Testament scriptures! The OT predicts the Messiah - In Isiaah 53 and other parts- doing exactly what Jesus did on the cross.
Thank U so much,for caring Wattie,God bless U,I will have to show the scriptures to my husband
 
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Just keep thanking God that your husband is saved. The bible says me and my house will be saved. That means your family. Thr your prayers he will turn to God. Faith is believing even though you don't see it yet. Trust God. God bless you, Love
 
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Lindqvist

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Fear denies Faith
 
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The best way, in my opinion, to convert non-Christians is to live as Holy and humble as you can, so they may see the Lord Jesus in you.
 
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Hello Pastor Keith,
Thanks,but remember my husband isn't saved yet,so It would b hard for the Holy Spirit to b in him,right???God bless
well I not sure, I know enough about your husband, here. But If He is physically sick many people were healed it the Bible days, and then told go sin no more, or that thy sins have been forgiven, or ye have been made whole. it is the Holy Spirit that draws us to God, that convicts us of our sins, but your statement was that he didn't understand why Jesus wouldn't come back and heal as he did in the bible days , and this is what I was responding to Because He said that when He came back, it would be the end of time as we know it, that The Father would send the Holy Ghost, to minister to the people as Jesus did. so to answer your husband's question was what I was trying to do, why doesn't Jesus come back and heal, because He said that there was another way that God had appointed/annointed to minister to earth and that was by The Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit has carried on the works of God even as Jesus did. If Jesus came back physically and healed as He did, He would be lying about not coming back til the end.
 
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MaggieMye

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if Jesus came back after He died,N healed the sick,Y can't He do it again? He DOES!! WE, with He IN US, are commissioned to lay hands on the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons.
Maggie
 
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