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Post-Trib and Pre-Wrath advocates don't face the facts
Daddy, I'm cold.....I wanna drink.......why can't we go back to the house? I'm tired...there's no place to sleep, I wanna take a bath! Why is Mommy crying?
SORRY SON, WE'VE GOT TO STAY OUT HERE IN THE CAVE, OR THE ANTICHRIST POLICE WILL TAKE US ALL AWAY AND FORCE US TO SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT JESUS. MOMMY IS JUST HAVING A MOMENT OF DOUBT. GOD IS WITH US!
But Daddy! Why doesn't God just make those bad people go away?
WE DON'T KNOW THE WISDOM OF GOD, SON. WE JUST HAVE TO TRUST HIM.
OK, can you pray to God and ask Him to bring me something to drink? I miss my toys. Can't we just go back to the house and get some toys?
NO SON, THE ANTICHRIST POLICE ARE LOOKING FOR US, AND IF THEY CATCH US, THEY'LL MAKE US SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT JESUS, OR THEY'LL TORTURE AND KILL US IF WE WON'T!
But Daddy, do you mean that Jesus would rather have us cold, hungry, and with no where to sleep, or be tortured and killed, rather than just say something we don't really mean?
LOOK SON, MANY MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE AROUND BEFORE US HAVE HAD TO LOSE EVERYTHING, AND EVEN BE KILLED FOR JESUS' SAKE. WE CANNOT EXPECT THAT WE SHOULD GET OFF ANY EASIER THAN THEY DID.
Daddy......what's going to happen to us? How long do we have to stay out here in the woods?
WELL, I FIGURE WE HAVE TO HOLD OUT FOR ABOUT ANOTHER TWO AND ONE HALF YEARS. THEN JESUS WILL COME BACK AND EVERYTHING WILL BE WONDERFUL.
But we've only been out here since this morning, and it already feels like a hundred years! What are we going to eat? What'll we do when it gets real cold? When is Mommy going to stop crying? I feel afraid.
LOOK SON, I'M SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS. YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO GROW UP AND FACE THE FACTS LIKE A MAN. BE STRONG, SON, BE BRAVE, HAVE FAITH IN GOD. WE HAVE ALWAYS TRUSTED GOD, AND WE CAN'T GIVE UP NOW.
(the child is now crying) But DADDY! I don't wanna grow up now, please Daddy, I'm only 5 years old!!!!!
DON'T WORRY SON, GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF US.
ok Daddy.... BUT WILL YOU PLEASE ASK GOD TO SEND US A WARM HOUSE WITH A REAL BED AND SOMETHING TO EAT?
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I can't begin to tell you, Dear Reader, what an abominable, blasphemous, and cynical doctrine is this insane and Church-hating notion that even the most faithful Christians must go through The Great Tribulation. These would-be "courageous heros" who have rarely or never had a miraculous answer to prayer in their lives presume that THEY are going to suddenly become apostolic giants of faith and power THE DAY AFTER they must flee from the coming persecution. These people, who have no thought for the welfare, safety or happiness of ANYONE else, make their boasted and UNTESTED courage to endure The Great Tribulation into the sign of their "superior sanctity". They WANT the human race, and even "the best Christians" among them, AND THEIR CHILDREN, to be swallowed up in the nightmare of history. "We", they say, "deserve it." These cynical, bitter, envious Church-hating misanthropes, while KNOWING that no unquestionable case can be made for any timing of The Rapture, prefer to assert the most cynical and horrible view of it that is possible, while ignoring the abundant (though not perfect) evidence for Pre-Trib Rapture...... even though their own evidence is faulty, and is demonstrably weaker than the case for pre-trib in the first place.
And then, by advancing such a horrific notion, they make their hearers WISH and HOPE that the Second Coming of Christ is a long...long...ways off: at least not during their own lifetimes!
(SO MUCH FOR THE PRE-WRATH CROWD; NOW LET'S SPEAK TO THE REALLY SELF-DELUDED POST-TRIBBERS)
Ain't it gonna be great, when the world is at war, and the city next to you is a nuclear wasteland? Won't it be a real thrill when there is 100 pound hail bigger than bowling balls, hammering the landscape (ain't gonna affect you, right?). Won't it be cool to see those two hundred million demon locusts buzzing overhead? Oh, yeah, one third of all the grass and trees dies: but this can't bother you! You'll be just fine, that's right; even if one third of all the water in the world is poisoned.
You won't be bothered by the stench of millions of corpses when one fourth of the world's population is dead in one cataclysmic event. NOT YOU...you're a REAL "hero of faith". You can "take it".
And this.....is what you wish to offer The Church of Jesus Christ, as their apportioned lot in the days to come? I send you to your chosen destiny (The Great Tribulation), and when you get there, you will become the faithless cowards that you have accused us of being just because we INSIST that we don't have to endure this horror!
To my friends (if I still have any): I will make no friends with anyone who teaches this abominable, misanthropic doctrine that makes the Second Coming of Jesus Christ into the most UNWANTED event in history, even to those who would otherwise "love His appearing".
I assert again, in the presence of you all, that there is no man living on this planet that can stand up to the evidence I can produce for a pre-trib Rapture. I assert also, that I can explain how and why every so-called argument in defense of these pre-wrath and post-trib scenarios is errant, and that I can do this with the Bible, the dictionary, and plain reason.
Would that God would give me the stage to make the case for a Pre-Trib Rapture before the whole world! In the meanwhile, I recommend you to chapter 4 of THE GREAT DREAM, which addresses this subject; I also have a debate between myself and another of these Church-haters that was print published across the world, which I will send to you per your request. At least Mr. Ron Wallace (my opponent in that debate) had the courage to come to the front with his cynical nonsense. I have been at this for years, and countless other post-trib dissemblers have come in boasting and then made excuses, changed the subject, slandered my character, and then ran for cover. As soon as they saw how easy it was for me to make the case for a Pre-Trib Rapture, and that their disingenuous pratings would be seen by a large audience, they made pompous speeches about how they were "too spiritual to engage in arguments"; resorted to childish and malicious slander......AND RAN AWAY.
Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (not The Great Tribulation) draweth nigh.
Daddy, I'm cold.....I wanna drink.......why can't we go back to the house? I'm tired...there's no place to sleep, I wanna take a bath! Why is Mommy crying?
SORRY SON, WE'VE GOT TO STAY OUT HERE IN THE CAVE, OR THE ANTICHRIST POLICE WILL TAKE US ALL AWAY AND FORCE US TO SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT JESUS. MOMMY IS JUST HAVING A MOMENT OF DOUBT. GOD IS WITH US!
But Daddy! Why doesn't God just make those bad people go away?
WE DON'T KNOW THE WISDOM OF GOD, SON. WE JUST HAVE TO TRUST HIM.
OK, can you pray to God and ask Him to bring me something to drink? I miss my toys. Can't we just go back to the house and get some toys?
NO SON, THE ANTICHRIST POLICE ARE LOOKING FOR US, AND IF THEY CATCH US, THEY'LL MAKE US SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT JESUS, OR THEY'LL TORTURE AND KILL US IF WE WON'T!
But Daddy, do you mean that Jesus would rather have us cold, hungry, and with no where to sleep, or be tortured and killed, rather than just say something we don't really mean?
LOOK SON, MANY MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE AROUND BEFORE US HAVE HAD TO LOSE EVERYTHING, AND EVEN BE KILLED FOR JESUS' SAKE. WE CANNOT EXPECT THAT WE SHOULD GET OFF ANY EASIER THAN THEY DID.
Daddy......what's going to happen to us? How long do we have to stay out here in the woods?
WELL, I FIGURE WE HAVE TO HOLD OUT FOR ABOUT ANOTHER TWO AND ONE HALF YEARS. THEN JESUS WILL COME BACK AND EVERYTHING WILL BE WONDERFUL.
But we've only been out here since this morning, and it already feels like a hundred years! What are we going to eat? What'll we do when it gets real cold? When is Mommy going to stop crying? I feel afraid.
LOOK SON, I'M SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS. YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO GROW UP AND FACE THE FACTS LIKE A MAN. BE STRONG, SON, BE BRAVE, HAVE FAITH IN GOD. WE HAVE ALWAYS TRUSTED GOD, AND WE CAN'T GIVE UP NOW.
(the child is now crying) But DADDY! I don't wanna grow up now, please Daddy, I'm only 5 years old!!!!!
DON'T WORRY SON, GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF US.
ok Daddy.... BUT WILL YOU PLEASE ASK GOD TO SEND US A WARM HOUSE WITH A REAL BED AND SOMETHING TO EAT?
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*
I can't begin to tell you, Dear Reader, what an abominable, blasphemous, and cynical doctrine is this insane and Church-hating notion that even the most faithful Christians must go through The Great Tribulation. These would-be "courageous heros" who have rarely or never had a miraculous answer to prayer in their lives presume that THEY are going to suddenly become apostolic giants of faith and power THE DAY AFTER they must flee from the coming persecution. These people, who have no thought for the welfare, safety or happiness of ANYONE else, make their boasted and UNTESTED courage to endure The Great Tribulation into the sign of their "superior sanctity". They WANT the human race, and even "the best Christians" among them, AND THEIR CHILDREN, to be swallowed up in the nightmare of history. "We", they say, "deserve it." These cynical, bitter, envious Church-hating misanthropes, while KNOWING that no unquestionable case can be made for any timing of The Rapture, prefer to assert the most cynical and horrible view of it that is possible, while ignoring the abundant (though not perfect) evidence for Pre-Trib Rapture...... even though their own evidence is faulty, and is demonstrably weaker than the case for pre-trib in the first place.
And then, by advancing such a horrific notion, they make their hearers WISH and HOPE that the Second Coming of Christ is a long...long...ways off: at least not during their own lifetimes!
(Zep 1:14-17 KJV)
The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
Ain't it great? Christ is coming!
All you have to do is survive through several of the most horrific years in the history of the world to see it!
Ain't it great that Christ is coming soon? Ain't it great? Aren't you glad, that someday soon, you and your aged grandmother, or you and your little grandchildren, will get to run like fleeing criminals into the woods, to find a way to survive for...... who knows...maybe two...... or five years: cut off from the grocery store, from your homes, from running water, from medical care: all the while looking over your shoulder and listening at night for the antichrist police? And ain't it great to know, that God has predetermined that NO MATTER HOW FAITHFUL YOU HAVE BEEN TO HIM FOR ALL THESE YEARS...this is going to be your apportioned lot? Don'tcha just love Him? Ain't it going to be exciting, every time you have to sneak into town, and find a way to get some food without your beastmark? Will you finally be reduced to stealing food? What a thrill!The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
Ain't it great? Christ is coming!
All you have to do is survive through several of the most horrific years in the history of the world to see it!
(SO MUCH FOR THE PRE-WRATH CROWD; NOW LET'S SPEAK TO THE REALLY SELF-DELUDED POST-TRIBBERS)
Ain't it gonna be great, when the world is at war, and the city next to you is a nuclear wasteland? Won't it be a real thrill when there is 100 pound hail bigger than bowling balls, hammering the landscape (ain't gonna affect you, right?). Won't it be cool to see those two hundred million demon locusts buzzing overhead? Oh, yeah, one third of all the grass and trees dies: but this can't bother you! You'll be just fine, that's right; even if one third of all the water in the world is poisoned.
You won't be bothered by the stench of millions of corpses when one fourth of the world's population is dead in one cataclysmic event. NOT YOU...you're a REAL "hero of faith". You can "take it".
And this.....is what you wish to offer The Church of Jesus Christ, as their apportioned lot in the days to come? I send you to your chosen destiny (The Great Tribulation), and when you get there, you will become the faithless cowards that you have accused us of being just because we INSIST that we don't have to endure this horror!
To my friends (if I still have any): I will make no friends with anyone who teaches this abominable, misanthropic doctrine that makes the Second Coming of Jesus Christ into the most UNWANTED event in history, even to those who would otherwise "love His appearing".
I assert again, in the presence of you all, that there is no man living on this planet that can stand up to the evidence I can produce for a pre-trib Rapture. I assert also, that I can explain how and why every so-called argument in defense of these pre-wrath and post-trib scenarios is errant, and that I can do this with the Bible, the dictionary, and plain reason.
Would that God would give me the stage to make the case for a Pre-Trib Rapture before the whole world! In the meanwhile, I recommend you to chapter 4 of THE GREAT DREAM, which addresses this subject; I also have a debate between myself and another of these Church-haters that was print published across the world, which I will send to you per your request. At least Mr. Ron Wallace (my opponent in that debate) had the courage to come to the front with his cynical nonsense. I have been at this for years, and countless other post-trib dissemblers have come in boasting and then made excuses, changed the subject, slandered my character, and then ran for cover. As soon as they saw how easy it was for me to make the case for a Pre-Trib Rapture, and that their disingenuous pratings would be seen by a large audience, they made pompous speeches about how they were "too spiritual to engage in arguments"; resorted to childish and malicious slander......AND RAN AWAY.
Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (not The Great Tribulation) draweth nigh.
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 
