Post tribulation belief - Must Read!!! Please Comment,

[Adrianv125]

REVELATION 6

15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the WRATH of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His WRATH has come, and who is able to stand?”

So, we are not appointed to wrath huh? Guess what. These people claimed that the WRATH of the Lamb was there at verse 16 of this chapter which is...umm..SIX!! way before the last seven plagues, way before the abomination of desolation, and before chapter 8 which is the beginning of the trumpets. So what can you say about that?

 

[peterT]

ten virgins
ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom
And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.
The wise took oil and could see to get to the masters marriage. This is the post-tribulation believing Christians.
But the foolish took no oil and could not see the way to the masters marriage.
This is the pre-tribulation and mid-tribulation believing Christians. they did not have enough oil to get to the end
Matthew Chapter 25: 1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

 

[peterT]

Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:

Post-Tribulation Rapture

1 Thessalonians Chapter 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revelation Chapter 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

It just happens that Jesus comes in the clouds.
It just happens that Jesus comes at the last trumpet.
It just happens that Jesus comes with the voice of the archangel..
It just happens that Jesus raze the dead first.
It just happens that the two end time prophets are razed from the dead.
It just happens that the two end time prophets hear a voce saying come up hither.
It just happens that the two end time prophets are razed in the clouds
It just happens that the two end time prophets are razed at the sound of the last trumpet

Revelation Chapter 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.14 The second woe is past; [and], behold, the third woe cometh quickly.15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Corinthians Chapter 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

The two end time prophets are killed
by the beast at the end of the great tribulation

confirmed by

Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Love from peter

 

[peterT]

REVELATION 6

15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the WRATH of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His WRATH has come, and who is able to stand?”

So, we are not appointed to wrath huh? Guess what. These people claimed that the WRATH of the Lamb was there at verse 16 of this chapter which is...umm..SIX!! way before the last seven plagues, way before the abomination of desolation, and before chapter 8 which is the beginning of the trumpets. So what can you say about that?

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

For God hath not appointed us to wrath So it must be a pre-trib rapture?

This is a scam

The pre-tribers know the bible, and know the wrath comes down upon the wicked after the tribulation after the rapture

Revelation Chapter 15;1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. There we are in heaven just before the wrath is poured out. After getting the victory over the beast after going throw the tribulation.
Revelation Chapter 16 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

God poured out his vial The wrath upon the wicked

But the pre-tribers would have you believe we are going through the wrath the vials

Because therefore it must be a pre-tribulation rapture, because God hath not appointed us to wrath.

The pre-tribers know the bibles, but they would rather have you think you’re going through the wrath if you go into tribulation.

Because it helps there pre-tribulation belief

What arrogance what hypocrites what lies what twisting of scriptures

But you are going throw the THE SEVEN LAST PLAGUES or the trumpets well 6 because the seventh the last trumpet, is the rapture

Rv11. But the PLAGUES are only one third strong.

On different to the plagues that came down on Moses and the Egyptians but Moses obeyed and was fine.

What arrogance what hypocrites what lies what twisting of scriptures what a scam.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath. Offcourse God hath not appointed us unto wrath

But he has appointed us to tribulation.

 

[peterT]

REVELATION 6

15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the WRATH of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His WRATH has come, and who is able to stand?”

So, we are not appointed to wrath huh? Guess what. These people claimed that the WRATH of the Lamb was there at verse 16 of this chapter which is...umm..SIX!! way before the last seven plagues, way before the abomination of desolation, and before chapter 8 which is the beginning of the trumpets. So what can you say about that?

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

For God hath not appointed us to wrath So it must be a pre-trib rapture?

This is a scam

The pre-tribers know the bible, and know the wrath comes down upon the wicked after the tribulation after the rapture

Revelation Chapter 15;1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. There we are in heaven just before the wrath is poured out. After getting the victory over the beast after going throw the tribulation.
Revelation Chapter 16 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

God poured out his vial The wrath upon the wicked

But the pre-tribers would have you believe we are going through the wrath the vials

Because therefore it must be a pre-tribulation rapture, because God hath not appointed us to wrath.

The pre-tribers know the bibles, but they would rather have you think you’re going through the wrath if you go into tribulation.

Because it helps there pre-tribulation belief

What arrogance what hypocrites what lies what twisting of scriptures

But you are going throw the THE SEVEN LAST PLAGUES or the trumpets well 6 because the seventh the last trumpet, is the rapture Rv11.

But the PLAGUES are only one third strong.

On different to the plagues that came down on Moses and the Egyptians but Moses obeyed and was fine.

What arrogance what hypocrites what lies what twisting of scriptures what a scam.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath. Offcourse God hath not appointed us unto wrath

But he has appointed us to tribulation.

 

[peterT]

REVELATION 6

15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the WRATH of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His WRATH has come, and who is able to stand?”

So, we are not appointed to wrath huh? Guess what. These people claimed that the WRATH of the Lamb was there at verse 16 of this chapter which is...umm..SIX!! way before the last seven plagues, way before the abomination of desolation, and before chapter 8 which is the beginning of the trumpets. So what can you say about that?

Gods wrath is poured out upon the wicked Not upon Gods pepole

Revelation Chapter 15;1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. There we are in heaven just before the wrath is poured out. After getting the victory over the beast after going throw the tribulation.

Revelation Chapter 16 2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

God poured out his vial The wrath upon the wicked, upon the men that take the mark of the beast and them which worshipped his image

 

[peterT]

John Chapter 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
Isaiah Chapter 37:3 - for the children are come to the birth, and [there is] not strength to bring forth.

 

[AnandaHya]

the church will still be here during tribulation and during the plagues. Rapture doesn't happen until these verses and look at the previous chapters and how people on earth will suffer BEFORE the first resurrection and how much suffering occurs AFTER the first resurrection before the New Earth happens

notice they are DEAD? they died because they REFUSED to receive the mark. The BIBLE said ALL died who refused to receive the mark.

Revelation 20:4-6 (New King James Version)

The Saints Reign with Christ 1000 Years
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[a] thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Revelation 13
15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

notice the "as many as would not worship the image of the beast" will be killed?

The day of Wrath or the Day of the Lord Daniel talks about occurs HERE in Revelations:

Revelation 6:17 (New King James Version)

17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

try to not mix it all up and pick and chose scripture that fit your thoughts and pride and not what GOD means and says.

 

[Adrianv125]

Ok, hopefully see ya'll at the rapture before the tribulation. SAY CHEESE

 

[peterT]

REVELATION 6

15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the WRATH of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His WRATH has come, and who is able to stand?”

So, we are not appointed to wrath huh? Guess what. These people claimed that the WRATH of the Lamb was there at verse 16 of this chapter which is...umm..SIX!! way before the last seven plagues, way before the abomination of desolation, and before chapter 8 which is the beginning of the trumpets. So what can you say about that?

The seals are opened during the tribulation
And this bit is the end of the tribulation. And that’s when the wrath is poured upon the wicked

Rv6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[peterT]

Part 1

Lets have a look at the first 3/12 years.

There’s not going to be much difference in the first days before and the first days after the signing of the seven year agreement.

You will still be able to go to church on Sunday
You will still be able to go to work
You will still be able to go to watch tv
So on and so forth.

But one of the things that will be different is the post tribulation believing Christians will get full of Gods spirit, and existed because the 7 years has begun, and will start preaching the gospel with all boldness.
This is the first seal that will be opened.

A another things that will be different is the pre-tribulation believing prophets will say we made a mistake, it must be a mid-tribulation rapture, (anything but the truth) anything to keep you in the dark, because that’s their job to keep you in the dark. And some false prophets will say, this is not the beginning of the seven years because there’s on tribulation.

Jesus called this time the beginning of sorrow.

Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

That was the second seal that will be opened.WAR

Things will begin to escalate in that first 3/12 years. famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes wars.

The monetary system will still be the same, because the new monetary system does not start until the last 3/12 years Rev13:16-17.

The opening of the third seal. But things will start to get very expensive food rent petrol ext ext, until it becomes world wide financial turmoil.

Then it will be better for the AC when he comes to power to infurs the new monetary system the Mark of the beast, which allows you to continue to buy and sell in the second 3/12 years.

Matt24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.14 And this gospel of the kingdom The post-tribulation gospel shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. The post-tribulation gospel.

They shall deliver you up to councils, and in the synagogues (The churches of today) ye shall be beaten and ye shall be hated of all nations.

Let’s have a closer look at this.

Its still the first 3/12 years.
We will be infiltrating the Christian faith with the post-tribulation gospel. Taking away big paces of their congregation for the Lord. And the Pharisees and Sadducees are NOT going to be happy about that.

We will be turning the world up side down for the Jesus.And preaching the gospel with all boldness.

And the Pharisees and Sadducees some of the rulers of the Christian faith are going to be verey verey angre, Because they are losing there posistion and big paces of their congregation, and they will have you brought before rulers and kings to try to stop you, just like they did with Jesus and the disciples.

And that’s why the Pharisees and Sadducees of the Christian faith will deliver you up to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten.

You shall be betrayed, betrayed to who and why?

Not to the AC because he has not set himself up as God yet, and doesn’t have the power until the last 3/12 years Rv13.

And why?
Because we are winning disciples for the lord and they are coming from the Christian faith. and preaching the gospel with all boldness. And the Pharisees and Sadducees of the Christian faith will whant you dead.

Because we are exposing for the Lord all the false prophets.

This is why we will be betrayed.

This is why we will be beaten

This is why we will be persecuted from city to city

This is why we will be hated of all nations.

This is why we will be deliver up to councils

This is why we will be scourged in the synagogues

This is why they will want you dead.

John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

All this before the great tribulation even starts, the last 3/12 years

Matt24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:21 For then shall be great tribulation,

 

[peterT]

Ok, hopefully see ya'll at the rapture before the tribulation. SAY CHEESE

Are you making circumcision Something?

1 corinthians 7:19 CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING

Romans Chapter 2 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.

Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Romans 2:11For there is no respect of persons with God.

 

[peterT]

Hmm well it's like me saying.

IM GONNA TEAR DOWN THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION THROUGH BAPTISM ONLY DOCTRINE, OR THE DOCTRINE THAT SAYS THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVED UNLESS YOU SPEAK IN TONGUES BY TELLING ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE HERETICS AND THAT THEY ARE WHORING WITH FALSE PROPHETS AND I'M GONNA SHOVE MY DOCTRINE ON THEM WITHOUT LISTENING TO THEIRS AND WITHOUT GIVING SCRIPTURE IN LOVE AND IN ALL CLARITY THAT SHOWS THAT THEIR DOCTRINE MIGHT BE WRONG, INSTEAD I'M JUST GONNA SAY NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ARE OF THE DEVIL AND YOU ARE LACKING THE HOLY SPIRIT AND YOUR DOCTRINE IS A WILE OF THE DEVIL. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO "PULL DOWN" THE "STRONGHOLDS", IN FACT YOU ARE CREATING MORE STRONGHOLDS.


NOW IS THAT THE ATTITUDE OF A TRUE CHRISTIAN??? CLEARLY NOT.

its hard to look nice when you are picking out an eye.

its hard to look nice when you are cutting off a lim and cast it from thee

its hard to look nice when you are Purging out the leaven 1corint 5:7

its hard to look nice when you are pulling down strongholds Jer1:10

But you have to trust the Lord that this is love, because Jesus said to do
it. so it must be love.

"AND I'M GONNA SHOVE MY DOCTRINE ON THEM WITHOUT LISTENING TO THEIRS "

i have been listening to your doctrine for 30 pluss years, and is the doctrine of darkness.

"WITHOUT GIVING SCRIPTURE IN LOVE "

and dont pretend that i did not give scripture because a gave.

Rv11 the last trumpet, at the end of the tribulation
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 the last trumpet
Matt24 at the end of the tribulation.
1 Thessalonians 5:9For God hath not appointed us to wrath
Rv15God hath not appointed us to wrath
Rv16God hath not appointed us to wrath
Rv6:14-17opened the sixth seal God hath not appointed us to wrath

and menny menny more.

"WITHOUT GIVING SCRIPTURE IN LOVE "

this is love its just tuff love.

"NOW IS THAT THE ATTITUDE OF A TRUE CHRISTIAN??? CLEARLY NOT"

CLEARLY IT IS.

i did not get as angry as Jesus got when he turned the tables upside down and made a whip. Did that look like love?... YES to me it did.

"You are delusional!"

You call me delusional.. its not me with the pre-tribulation resurrection,
Nowhere in the Bible does a resurrection, or rapture take place before the great tribulation. It is a delusion.
Matt18:8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast [them] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Matt18:9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

 

[ChristianIssues]

I have an article called The Return Of Jesus which deals with the timing of Jesus' return but I can't paste it here because it has two little charts in it that won't paste so I can only post the following link to a PDF of the article.
The link is http://www.christianissues.biz/pdf-bin/endtimes/thereturnofjesus.pdf

A close study of the charts is very revealing and powerful evidence for the timing of the Rapture.

God bless,
Mick

 

[peterT]

Hmm well it's like me saying.

IM GONNA TEAR DOWN THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION THROUGH BAPTISM ONLY DOCTRINE, OR THE DOCTRINE THAT SAYS THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVED UNLESS YOU SPEAK IN TONGUES BY TELLING ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE HERETICS AND THAT THEY ARE WHORING WITH FALSE PROPHETS AND I'M GONNA SHOVE MY DOCTRINE ON THEM WITHOUT LISTENING TO THEIRS AND WITHOUT GIVING SCRIPTURE IN LOVE AND IN ALL CLARITY THAT SHOWS THAT THEIR DOCTRINE MIGHT BE WRONG, INSTEAD I'M JUST GONNA SAY NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG AND ARE OF THE DEVIL AND YOU ARE LACKING THE HOLY SPIRIT AND YOUR DOCTRINE IS A WILE OF THE DEVIL. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO "PULL DOWN" THE "STRONGHOLDS", IN FACT YOU ARE CREATING MORE STRONGHOLDS.


NOW IS THAT THE ATTITUDE OF A TRUE CHRISTIAN??? CLEARLY NOT.

“IM GONNA TEAR DOWN THE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION THROUGH BAPTISM ONLY DOCTRINE, OR THE DOCTRINE THAT SAYS THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVED UNLESS YOU SPEAK IN TONGUES BY TELLING ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE HERETICS AND THAT THEY ARE WHORING WITH FALSE PROPHETS”

I will try to answer this one.
Wright now I am going to this Church similar I suppose. A well-established old Church that have a new doctrine. They say you don’t have to go through Jesus to get to the kingdom of heaven.
The Lord has sent me there to set them strait. I have just spent 3 weeks their listing, and now I am ready to give the word of God, But these people are Babes in Christ. NOT like you for you no meat and are stronger in the Lord, and that’s why I am harder on you than I will be on them. But if they reject the word of the Lord as you did, then I will come down hard on them too. And make the tree corrupt.
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.
I cannot expect you as a brother in the Christ until you change your doctrine on the resurrection/rapture, because Jesus said
Mark3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
And you don’t do the will of God. So I cannot expect you as a brother in the Christ until you change your doctrine on the resurrection/rapture,
because Jesus said Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

 

[peterT]

I personally do not believe in Pre or Mid Trib Rapture. Many would consider my views as Post Trib however that's not entirely accurate. I believe Christ will return after the 6th Seal of Revelation hass opened at the 7th and last trumpet.

Now some will say that there's no way Christ would wait that long because scrioture teaches that believers will not have to face God's wrath. However what people do not realize is that God's wrath isn't poured out until after the 7th Seal is broken (the 7 bowls of wrath).

There is a book that explains this view in depth. It is called "Till Eternity" by Paul Bartotello. I may have misspelled his last name however you can find this book on Amazon which is where I picked it up.

Amen God bless you

 

[ChristianIssues]

The system won't allow me to paste the full article on this site so I have limitied this post to the two charts from the article. The full article can be read at
http://www.christianissues.biz/pdf-bin/endtimes/thereturnofjesus.pdf
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The Return Of Jesus
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“For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever” (1 Thess. 4:16-17).

When will this happen?


2 Thess. 2:1-3
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2 Thess. 2:1-3 also show that the Rapture won't occur until after the Antichrist appears. In part, these verses say, “Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him [the Rapture] … Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness [the Antichrist] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction”. These verses clearly say that Christians will not be gathered to the Lord until AFTER the revealing of the Antichrist and that is exactly what Matt. 24 says.

1 Thess. 4:13-5:11
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Many Christians believe that 1 Thess. 4:13-5:11 is talking about another gathering to the Lord. They believe that these verses say that Jesus will rapture the church before the Antichrist appears. However, Chart 1, below, compares 1 Thess. 4-5 to Matt. 24-25 and shows so many common points that it is clear that they are both talking about the same event.

Rev. 6-8
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Further proof that Matt 24. gives the sequence of events leading to Jesus' return can be found in Chart 2 below. This chart compares Matt. 24 with Rev. 6-8 and a clear parallel can be seen between these two passages.

Jesus Himself has given us both Matt. 24 and Rev. 6-8 and the obvious parallel is further proof that Matt. 24 is the sequence of events leading to Jesus’ single return. (The charts in this article have been copied from TaylorWorks.net - Orlando's Premier Web Hosting & Development Company and The Rapture Question Answered, by Robert Van Kampen).

Other passages, like Luke 17:22-35 and 2 Thess. 1:6-11, show that on the day that the Lord returns He will first rapture His people and then punish sinners who are left on the earth. There is not one verse which says that the Rapture will occur before the Antichrist appears.

 

[peterT]

I can see God has blessed you, Praise the Lord, and God has shown you the truth about the resurrection and when he will return, Immediately after the tribulation.
Now we must help are brothers and sisters in the Lord that are of the pre-tribulation and mid tribulation delusion. Or they will suffer and not have enough oil for their lamps.

Love in Jesus.
From Peter
PS has God shown you anything else from the word.

 

[zone]

of course there's no pre or mid or any other silly secret thing.
Jesus is coming at THE END.

TO JUDGE.

end of story.

 

[peterT]

of course there's no pre or mid or any other silly secret thing.
Jesus is coming at THE END.

TO JUDGE.

end of story.

yes the end