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Had to edit, realized I'd read the post wrong. Oops.
Here's the right webpage on the matter.
http://www.gotquestions.org/praying-for-the-dead.html <--- click
Excerpt for the lazies.
Praying for the dead is not a biblical concept. Our praying for the dead has no bearing on someone once he or she has died. The reality is that at the point of death, one’s eternal destiny is confirmed. Either he is saved through faith in Christ and in heaven where he is experiencing rest and joy in God’s presence, or he is in torment in hell. The story of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar provides us with a vivid illustration of this truth. Jesus plainly used this story to teach that after death the unrighteous are eternally separated from God, that they remember their rejection of the Gospel, that they are in torment, and that their condition cannot be remedied (Luke 16:19-31).
Here's the right webpage on the matter.
http://www.gotquestions.org/praying-for-the-dead.html <--- click
Excerpt for the lazies.
Praying for the dead is not a biblical concept. Our praying for the dead has no bearing on someone once he or she has died. The reality is that at the point of death, one’s eternal destiny is confirmed. Either he is saved through faith in Christ and in heaven where he is experiencing rest and joy in God’s presence, or he is in torment in hell. The story of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar provides us with a vivid illustration of this truth. Jesus plainly used this story to teach that after death the unrighteous are eternally separated from God, that they remember their rejection of the Gospel, that they are in torment, and that their condition cannot be remedied (Luke 16:19-31).
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I dont think i've ever prayed for anyone after the funeral, i prayed for them the day they died and the day we put them to rest but i know where they went and if its heaven i dont need to pray no more, its who is here on earth that needs our prays! i dont think God is worried about those who he has already received.
We cannot pray for a person that has died,without the truth,for it would do no good,for they cannot change.
The truth is we have to get it right while on earth.
However a person dies,whether sins forgiven,or not sins forgiven,they will stay like that for eternity,so prayers do not help the dead if they did not have sins forgiven.
The fallen angels can never be saved because when they sinned there is nothing to put off to get rid of that sin,but they tainted their being.
Mankind has a chance to be saved for they are in the flesh,and all sin resides in the flesh,and people can put off the flesh and be saved.
If a person dies with their sins forgiven,their soul is saved.If a person dies in their sins,their soul is lost.
Since sin resides in the flesh,if a person dies in their sins,they do not have the flesh to put off anymore to get rid of their sins,but they are tainted in their being like the fallen angels,who have nothing to put off to be saved.
Prayers for the dead would not be effective,for it will not make a difference in the afterlife,for those who die in their sins.
The truth is we have to get it right while on earth.
However a person dies,whether sins forgiven,or not sins forgiven,they will stay like that for eternity,so prayers do not help the dead if they did not have sins forgiven.
The fallen angels can never be saved because when they sinned there is nothing to put off to get rid of that sin,but they tainted their being.
Mankind has a chance to be saved for they are in the flesh,and all sin resides in the flesh,and people can put off the flesh and be saved.
If a person dies with their sins forgiven,their soul is saved.If a person dies in their sins,their soul is lost.
Since sin resides in the flesh,if a person dies in their sins,they do not have the flesh to put off anymore to get rid of their sins,but they are tainted in their being like the fallen angels,who have nothing to put off to be saved.
Prayers for the dead would not be effective,for it will not make a difference in the afterlife,for those who die in their sins.
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I do pray for some of my dead relatives but only that they were saved. I know it is crazy but I am not sure if they were saved or not. I am at the age where a lot of my relatives are passing and I can't talk to all of them. Nothing can be done for them but I just want to see if they can be helped. I feel it is never to late. Jesus said, "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you shall receive" Matthew 21:22. That's why I do it.
We have difficulty understanding time as God sees it, but surely he's not sitting up in heaven listening to a phone, ignorant of our prayers until we've made them. It is reasonable to pray for those who are dead, not only because we don't know their final state, but also because God isn't bound by time. Of course, this gets difficult: "I ask that you please have had mercy on the soul of ..."
In practice, though I think we're really expressing that we hope they were given the necessary grace. We aren't necessarily making requests, but expressing our ignorance and interest in their well-being.
In practice, though I think we're really expressing that we hope they were given the necessary grace. We aren't necessarily making requests, but expressing our ignorance and interest in their well-being.
I consider the example of David, who was a man after God's own heart. When he was confronted with his sin, and then the baby was taken ill because of his sin, he put on sack cloth and ashes and prayed without ceasing to God for deliverance. The the baby died. David got up and washed his face and put on clean clothes and went on his way. The people were amazed and stunned. David's answer to them is insightful in this issue.
In Christ,
vic
In Christ,
vic