Praying in Tongues

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eternally-gratefull

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then i will take care of this in another way.
My only issue with you has been how you treat other, and how you refuse to answer questions, i was praying after you left you actually saw something and had changed, and we could actually have a conversation, sadly i see that is not the case,
 

notuptome

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really well just so you know salvation is a sign to those that God is present. Anytime God works in the lives of men and women is confirming His word. it is not logic because it is spiritually discerned and supernatural. You limit God because you are carnal and secular in your own reasoning. You think you are better by knowing more instead of living more. That is why you are in error.
How would those present know salvation in the soul of another person? By signs? How does the person saved know they are saved? By signs?

Your endeavor to attack me personally is beneath the expected conduct of those who discuss the word of God on this forum. You simply resent it when you are presented with the contradictory nature of your arguments. Either signs are expected and necessary or they are not.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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The fact that your argument is fallacious and therefore invalid has nothing at all to do with me. Fallacious is not in the ears of the hearer.
Seems to be your only defense. Either signs follow or they do not. Everybodys arguments are fallacious save those that you present. How convenient.

Explain yourself from scripture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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My only issue with you has been how you treat other, and how you refuse to answer questions, i was praying after you left you actually saw something and had changed, and we could actually have a conversation, sadly i see that is not the case,
again as I said I do not want to speak to you and yet you continue as I have asked not to do so. if you are not hearing me as I have asked not to do I will see that you are dealt with.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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How would those present know salvation in the soul of another person? By signs? How does the person saved know they are saved? By signs?

Your endeavor to attack me personally is beneath the expected conduct of those who discuss the word of God on this forum. You simply resent it when you are presented with the contradictory nature of your arguments. Either signs are expected and necessary or they are not.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Its even worse when someone represents this community.

Its one thing to disagree, we all have disagreements, but some people can not let it go
 
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7seasrekeyed

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You do not even follow your own logic. If your interpretation is correct and signs follow and confirm the word then if there are no signs the word is not confirmed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

you know, I think you have a point there

if people speak against the Holy Spirit and teach against the gifts of the Holy Spirit, why would God confirm His word is being spoken by signs to these same people?

is this perhaps the church that preaches a dry and dead word that God does not honor?

I would think that salvation is a sign of the Holy Spirit being present nonetheless, but as an act of God's mercy because it is hardly the fault of an unsaved person if they are being lied to be so called pastors and teachers who sound like the know something from scripture but yet their is no empowering of the Holy Spirit

sounds pretty ironic

I do wonder though if this may in fact be the case :unsure:
 
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eternally-gratefull

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again as I said I do not want to speak to you and yet you continue as I have asked not to do so. if you are not hearing me as I have asked not to do I will see that you are dealt with.
Its an open forum, you want to report me for trying to have a conversation on things you are saying which everyone can see, and everyone should be able to question if they disagree, then feel free,

As long as you make those statments, i will continue to ask you those questions, they should be easy to answer, i can only winder why you will not,
 

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How would those present know salvation in the soul of another person? By signs? How does the person saved know they are saved? By signs?

Your endeavor to attack me personally is beneath the expected conduct of those who discuss the word of God on this forum. You simply resent it when you are presented with the contradictory nature of your arguments. Either signs are expected and necessary or they are not.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
point out your errors in scriptures should not be an attack but if you think so then don't ask me any questions. I really do not care one way or the other what you think Biblically, I do not hold you in high regards in that. what you think is beneath conduct is laughable when you have SFATRMOP "Suffering From Ability To Remember My Own Post".
 

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Its an open forum, you want to report me for trying to have a conversation on things you are saying which everyone can see, and everyone should be able to question if they disagree, then feel free,

As long as you make those statments, i will continue to ask you those questions, they should be easy to answer, i can only winder why you will not,
not at all speak to who you want too, but I am asking you not to speak to me. If you are so bent over speaking with me who I know you don't like why would you want to? Your motives are seen you are wanting to start an issue. I don't know that answer to your question. Now you can go or ask some else . thank you
 

notuptome

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you know, I think you have a point there

if people speak against the Holy Spirit and teach against the gifts of the Holy Spirit, why would God confirm His word is being spoken by signs to these same people?

is this perhaps the church that preaches a dry and dead word that God does not honor?

I would think that salvation is a sign of the Holy Spirit being present nonetheless, but as an act of God's mercy because it is hardly the fault of an unsaved person if they are being lied to be so called pastors and teachers who sound like the know something from scripture but yet their is no empowering of the Holy Spirit

sounds pretty ironic

I do wonder though if this may in fact be the case :unsure:
Scripture teaches that the Holy Spirit witnesses with our spirit that we are His. It is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to make the word of God convict of sin, righteousness and judgment in the hearts of those who hear it.

Coming into the house of God should be done with a good amount of reverence. Something most contemporary folks would do well to remember.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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7seasrekeyed

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to make myself clear here, what I am saying is that I am wondering if those who preach against tongues, against the infilling of the Holy Spirit, do not understand that what they do, is not ever going to be blessed by God

God on the other hand, in His mercy, still saves by His Spirit and what may look like a godly church to those with no spiritual insight, is actually a stronghold of the devil in that they turn their faces against the Spirit of God

I can usually tell when people are speaking in their own flesh because they bore me silly and there is no life to it

just yesterday, I was listening to spirit filled teacher, a woman, and honestly, my spirit was quickened and I felt joy in the Lord and I felt myself in His presence and so grateful to Him for His salvation

what I see in this thread is absolute HATRED by those who are against what is of God and that is very worrisome indeed

you are putting your puny fist in the face of God Almighty while you think you are so smart in your mockery and you think you are getting somewhere

you are travelling in circles and will remain in your little clique

you actually deny the power of God and I am wondering just how saved are the people who do this kind of thing

yes I said that
 

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Its an open forum, you want to report me for trying to have a conversation on things you are saying which everyone can see, and everyone should be able to question if they disagree, then feel free,

As long as you make those statments, i will continue to ask you those questions, they should be easy to answer, i can only winder why you will not,
again I don't care if you wonder or not. it's just that simple :) In fact this is not the first time you and I have talked about this topic I know where you stand on it so why would you not know where I stand? **edited**
 
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notuptome

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point out your errors in scriptures should not be an attack but if you think so then don't ask me any questions. I really do not care one way or the other what you think Biblically, I do not hold you in high regards in that. what you think is beneath conduct is laughable when you have SFATRMOP "Suffering From Ability To Remember My Own Post".
Simply deplorable conduct.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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eternally-gratefull

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not at all speak to who you want too, but I am asking you not to speak to me. If you are so bent over speaking with me who I know you don't like why would you want to? Your motives are seen you are wanting to start an issue. I don't know that answer to your question. Now you can go or ask some else . thank you
Thats your problem, you think everyone has ulterior motives, my only motive is to discuss what your saying and why i disagree with you, like quite a few people here are doing, and from what we all can see you do not like their questions either,,

You stated the people to whom those things refered to was disciples, and it was for them

I showed you how i believe it is otherwise, why will you

1. Not Admit it it is true
2. Show me in that passage how i am wrong so i can see where your coming from


Its not that hard.

Or continue to ignore the question i myself and others have possed and just say we are wrong?
 

notuptome

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to make myself clear here, what I am saying is that I am wondering if those who preach against tongues, against the infilling of the Holy Spirit, do not understand that what they do, is not ever going to be blessed by God

God on the other hand, in His mercy, still saves by His Spirit and what may look like a godly church to those with no spiritual insight, is actually a stronghold of the devil in that they turn their faces against the Spirit of God

I can usually tell when people are speaking in their own flesh because they bore me silly and there is no life to it

just yesterday, I was listening to spirit filled teacher, a woman, and honestly, my spirit was quickened and I felt joy in the Lord and I felt myself in His presence and so grateful to Him for His salvation

what I see in this thread is absolute HATRED by those who are against what is of God and that is very worrisome indeed

you are putting your puny fist in the face of God Almighty while you think you are so smart in your mockery and you think you are getting somewhere

you are travelling in circles and will remain in your little clique

you actually deny the power of God and I am wondering just how saved are the people who do this kind of thing

yes I said that
Until it is established biblically that it is what you claim then the discussion will go on without resolution.

I believe in the Holy Spirit filling believers. I just see from scripture that tongues have ended. Without that discernment just about anything passes without examination.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Scripture teaches that the Holy Spirit witnesses with our spirit that we are His. It is the ministry of the Holy Spirit to make the word of God convict of sin, righteousness and judgment in the hearts of those who hear it.

Coming into the house of God should be done with a good amount of reverence. Something most contemporary folks would do well to remember.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

yet the earth is filled with lying spirits who are allowed to proceed because God has sent a strong delusion upon those who say they have the truth but they do not

so God allows them to continue in their self righteousness

however, only the righteousness of God Himself saves

I tell you what there Roger. Reverence is me worshipping God in the privacy of my own home and wondering what I did to enjoy His precious presence as much as sometimes happens...as it did yesterday morning...my heart filled with thankfulness and knowing even that comes from Him

you talk an awful lot but in your heart you have already said and in this forum you have already said that those who speak in tongues do so by the power of the devil

I am no prophet, but I can assure you that you have already basically condemned yourself right there

but God still reaches out to you and allows a peanut like me to tell you that you do not know the presence or the power of God

what you call reverence, He calls Ichabod

now I am putting you back on ignore because as Jesus said, if the people did not praise Him the rocks would cry out

I am a rock...a little pebble...and you are whitewashed
 
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eternally-gratefull

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again I don't care if you wonder or not. it's just that simple :) In fact this is not the first time you and I have talked about this topic I know where you stand on it so why would you not know where I stand? See your hidden motives are seen. Hypocrite.
There you go again attacking. Should i report you? From what I have seen you have done this quite a few times today?

Your on an open forum, you should expect people to question what you say or at the least discuss if they disagree, not only for our sake but-for the sake of others who may see what is being said

If you do not want to answer, don’t, it will be there for people to see and at the least they will wonder why.

But if you think attacking me by name calling will get you anywhere, it wont.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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yet the earth is filled with lying spirits who are allowed to proceed because God has sent a strong delusion upon those who say they have the truth but they do not

so God allows them to continue in their self righteousness

however, only the righteousness of God Himself saves

I tell you what there Roger. Reverence is me worshipping God in the privacy of my own home and wondering what I did to enjoy His precious presence as much as sometimes happens...as it did yesterday morning...my heart filled with thankfulness and knowing even that comes from Him

you talk an awful lot but in your heart you have already said and in this forum you have already said that those who speak in tongues do so by the power of the devil

I am no prophet, but I can assure you that you have already basically condemned yourself right there

but God still reaches out to you and allows a peanut like me to tell you that you do not know the presence or the power of God

what you call reverence, He calls Ichabod

now I am putting you back on ignore because as Jesus said, if the people did not praise Him the rocks would cry out

I am a rock...a little pebble...and you are whitewashed
I agree, if god wants to use people to speak in to gues he has every right and all power to do it, to claim gid never does so is just not true
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Until it is established biblically that it is what you claim then the discussion will go on without resolution.

I believe in the Holy Spirit filling believers. I just see from scripture that tongues have ended. Without that discernment just about anything passes without examination.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
So god could not use tongues at all because of what?