Prophecy for those called by His name

[zone]

It's taught in the fact that it continued to happen after Joel's prophecy was "fulfilled", and that long after the Bible has been completed there are 2 people mentioned who will be prophesying for 3 1/2 years. That communicates continuance....not ceasing (at least up to the point of the 2 witnesses).

So you never once had a bad personal experience in the past with any of this at a time when you once believed it?

the 2 witnesses in the Book of Revelation are not enough i'm afraid.
please produce 1900 years of prophecies.

and names of apostles with attending miracles.

WHERE ARE THEY?

and what's this?:
after Joel's prophecy was "fulfilled"

why "fulfilled" in quotation marks? BECAUSE IT WASN'T REALLY? even though Peter said it was?
because you need Latter Rain.

 

[systemdown101]

huh?
so anybody who says they are a prophet is one?

where are they?
LET'S SEE THEIR PROPHECIES.

throughout church history.
where? names? letters?

No, but I wasn't arguing that point. Cron said "Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No." I disagree with that point. The Bible says Agabus is a prophet:

Acts 21: 10-11. "And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's belt, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus says the Holy Spirit, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owns this belt, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles."

... and is doing something that Cron says he shouldn't be doing as a prophet.

Now, I tend to think a lot of people running about nowadays saying they're prophets aren't. But I'm not convinced all of them down to the last man are, and I don't see any reason God couldn't raise one up to expound on some point towards a particular person or group of them, or to lead someone somewhere or somesuch. There's no reason Yahweh couldn't give the gift of prophecy to someone now and like Agabus, have them run off somewhere and warn someone of something because it would serve His purposes to work His will in that manner. And certainly God doesn't work according to our limited suppositions of how He works.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

Zone, you do not display superior knowledge of the Bible and you use no Scripture in your defense. I'm sure you could get a cut and paste (by avoiding the copyright laws) but that's not from your heart, it is someone else speaking. I believe you follow your belief blindly and I personally say you show the characteristics of someone who does not really care what the Bible says. You have been taught by someone to believe something; you do not truely search the Scripture. You are more likely to search the internet for your beliefs.

P.S. Everyone could post as much as you on their belief if they avoided the copyright law as much as I have seen you do it.

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

At least 3 1/2 years of prophesying to come from 2 people is witness enough to show you that a completed Bible does not negate the continuance of prophecy. Therefore, to say that the completed Bible negates the continuance of prophecy is intellectually dishonest.

The scriptures tell you themselves. Even if I had a list of all the prophecies and all the apostles from beginning to end after the Bible was completed (including the 3 1/2 years of prophesying of the 2 witnesses to come)....it wouldn't benefit you at all if you don't accept the witness of the scripture concerning the continuance of prophecy after the completion of the Bible.

 

[zone]

No, but I wasn't arguing that point. Cron said "Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely!

examples please?
verifiable examples. not ancedotes and peoples' "feelings" (i 'think' the Lord said this or that...The Lord wants you to this or that) - He either speaks clearly and unmistakably or He doesn't.

how is the "message" received, and how is it "delivered"

if you're talking about the enlightening of the mind, the opening up of the scriptures - this being shared by christians that's one thing.

if you're trying to say The Holy Spirit uses one person as a fax machine to another, let's see the WORD FOR WORD messages received and transmitted.

let's see it anywhere in church history.

no matter how you spin this, it's either "Thus saith The Lord", or "the Lord laid on my heart to tell you x, y & z".

one is immediately recognizable as a false prophet, as that OT formula does not continue in the New.

the other is pure subjectivity.
every born again believer has the indwelling Spirit and there are no more prophets end of story....

unless, you can provide evidence - let's see it!

But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No."

according to modern 'prophets' its the 'gift' or they'll call it a manifestation.
if your "messaging" isn't prophecy, what is it?

The Bible says Agabus is a prophet:
... and is doing something that Cron says he shouldn't be doing as a prophet.

huh?
the NT was BUILT on the Apostles and the prophets.
Agabus was one of them.

so????

foundation laid.

we either rely on the Holy Writ as christians have done since the 1st century or we dump it. NO MIDDLE GROUND.

Now, I tend to think a lot of people running about nowadays saying they're prophets aren't. But I'm not convinced all of them down to the last man are, and I don't see any reason God couldn't raise one up to expound on some point towards a particular person or group of them, or to lead someone somewhere or somesuch. There's no reason Yahweh couldn't give the gift of prophecy to someone now and like Agabus, have them run off somewhere and warn someone of something because it would serve His purposes to work His will in that manner. And certainly God doesn't work according to our limited suppositions of how He works.

always back to this.
Benny Hinn is a fraud but people in the church across the street are not.

you're talking about TEACHERS.

too bad the church doesn't want them anymore.

 

[zone]

Zone, you do not display superior knowledge of the Bible and you use no Scripture in your defense. I'm sure you could get a cut and paste (by avoiding the copyright laws) but that's not from your heart, it is someone else speaking. I believe you follow your belief blindly and I personally say you show the characteristics of someone who does not really care what the Bible says. You have been taught by someone to believe something; you do not truely search the Scripture. You are more likely to search the internet for your beliefs.

P.S. Everyone could post as much as you on their belief if they avoided the copyright law as much as I have seen you do it.

nice try at deflecting jonathan.

someone who doesn't care what the Bible says?
lmho.
while you're running around playing prophet (lying and you know it), i've been studying.

i'll take my chances over copyright than standing before the Lord pleading "but Lord! Lord! didn't we....?"

 

[cronjecj]

No, but I wasn't arguing that point. Cron said "Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No." I disagree with that point. The Bible says Agabus is a prophet

If someone has something on the heart to give unto someone else no problem but if someone comes to me and says "thus saith the Lord, I will deliver thee from thy enemies hands...........and you will tell them I come in an hour that they do not expect, he that hath an ear let him hear"

sorry doesn't work for me.....
because i firmly believe the foundation is already laid and all we need to know is already written down.

No more new revelations to the church.

 

[zone]

At least 3 1/2 years of prophesying to come from 2 people is witness enough to show you that a completed Bible does not negate the continuance of prophecy. Therefore, to say that the completed Bible negates the continuance of prophecy is intellectually dishonest.

The scriptures tell you themselves. Even if I had a list of all the prophecies and all the apostles from beginning to end after the Bible was completed (including the 3 1/2 years of prophesying of the 2 witnesses to come)....it wouldn't benefit you at all if you don't accept the witness of the scripture concerning the continuance of prophecy after the completion of the Bible.

christians throughout history are still undecided on the 2 witnesses.

you are claiming CONTINUANCE. not even "restoration".

bring out the evidence. prove continuation: EVEN ONE prophecy that has been recognized as LEGITIMATE.
ONE NAME. one prophet.

the witness of the scripture concerning the continuance of prophecy after the completion of the Bible

what witness of scripture proving continuance of prophets since Pentecost?
show me.

 

[cronjecj]

systemdown101

Name one legitimate prophet since the completion of the bible....just one, and ill re-consider.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

Alot of people are making some big assumptions. Does everything a prophet says need to be recorded in Scripture? What Scripture says that prophecy to an individual or group of people from a prophet must be recorded as part of Scripture? Everything Jesus did was not recorded in Scripture and He is God!

John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

The same goes for the works of the Spirit. If everything that God the Spirit did was recorded you would not have time to read it! I believe that many people on this site have assummed because it is biblical matterial it would go in the Bible. I never claimed that the prophecies God gave me were for the Bible. It is obvious that many of you have made assumptions. If Jesus worked even when it was not recorded in the Bible then obviously Jesus' works are not only for the Bible but for people who will never be read of. Thus I will continue to prophesy to the people God sends me to. If you can produce one verse that truely says that my prophecies are supposed to be in the Bible (when Jesus' works are not all recorded) then I will listen to you. But I know you will not find any verse that says I can not prophesy because it will not go in the Bible.

 

[systemdown101]

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always back to this.
Benny Hinn is a fraud but people in the church across the street are not.

you're talking about TEACHERS.

too bad the church doesn't want them anymore.

Prophecy isn't limited to someone being inspired by Yahweh to give new commandments to the Church. Sometimes, it can be as limited as a message to someone that if you keep going on the path you're on, you will be bound up and delivered somewhere.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I'm curious, what are your thoughts concerning the below quoted passage, Spiritual Plague?


1 Corinthians 13
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

 

[zone]

systemdown101

Name one legitimate prophet since the completion of the bible....just one, and ill re-consider.

i need more than one.
apparently every church since Pentecost should have them.
depending on how one works the demographics of numbers of christians in the world, there should be MILLIONS of prophets alive right now, and untold hundreds of thousands if not millions more since the first century.

the office/gift (they'll play the shell game and call it something else) either:

1) continued uninterrupted since 1st century
2) ceased because christians "lost it/gave it up"
3) ceased by Providence with the Plan being to restore in "the Latter Days/Latter Rain"
4) ceased exactly as Paul said it would, when the complete revelation was delivered....

or morphed into some other "kind" of gift, not qualitatively the same. 5% accuracy rate ok.

 

[systemdown101]

i need more than one.
apparently every church since Pentecost should have them.
depending on how one works the demographics of numbers of christians in the world, there should be MILLIONS of prophets alive right now, and untold hundreds of thousands if not millions more since the first century.

You're playing a numbers game that Yahweh doesn't play. For instance, we know of one period of four hundred years where Yahweh was silent, the years before Yeshua was born, and there were certainly believers floating around then. Secondly, where is it written that the prophets must be well known or famous? I mean, remember Phillip the Evangelist, who had four unmarried daughters who prophesized? We don't know what they said, and had they not been the daughter of Phillip, we'd never have known of their existence, yet they were prophetesses just the same.

 

[Abiding]

christians throughout history are still undecided on the 2 witnesses.

you are claiming CONTINUANCE. not even "restoration".

bring out the evidence. prove continuation: EVEN ONE prophecy that has been recognized as LEGITIMATE.
ONE NAME. one prophet.

the witness of the scripture concerning the continuance of prophecy after the completion of the Bible

what witness of scripture proving continuance of prophets since Pentecost?
show me.

Just a question based on Amos: Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, unless he reveals his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Why the heads up about the prophets in Revelation....if its business as usual?

 

[zone]

Alot of people are making some big assumptions. Does everything a prophet says need to be recorded in Scripture? What Scripture says that prophecy to an individual or group of people from a prophet must be recorded as part of Scripture? Everything Jesus did was not recorded in Scripture and He is God!

from an individual?
the following is supposed to be JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF speaking:

This says the Lord, I am with you all. I am meek and lowly says the Lord. Cast your cares on me for I can bear them. I will be with those who hear my voice and heed my speach. This says the Lord, I am not far from you as one who cannot reach down and touch you. This says the Lord if you have faith I will touch the hymn of your garment and you will be healed in spirit or in body. I am generous says the Lord. I have heard your request and I have changed my manner. I have not forgotten those who are called by my name. God is your father, be of good courage, for all those called by my name will have great rejoicing, says the Lord.

John 20
The Purpose of This Book
30Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

The same goes for the works of the Spirit. If everything that God the Spirit did was recorded you would not have time to read it!

what folly.
keep it up jonathan.
you're in big trouble.

I believe that many people on this site have assummed because it is biblical matterial it would go in the Bible. I never claimed that the prophecies God gave me were for the Bible.

ya...all the prophets say that.
heed Rev 22 (or not)

This says the Lord, I am with you all. I am meek and lowly says the Lord. Cast your cares on me for I can bear them. I will be with those who hear my voice and heed my speach. This says the Lord, I am not far from you as one who cannot reach down and touch you. This says the Lord if you have faith I will touch the hymn of your garment and you will be healed in spirit or in body. I am generous says the Lord. I have heard your request and I have changed my manner. I have not forgotten those who are called by my name. God is your father, be of good courage, for all those called by my name will have great rejoicing, says the Lord.

It is obvious that many of you have made assumptions.

you're the presumptuous "prophet" speaking out of his own heart.
and you know it.

If Jesus worked even when it was not recorded in the Bible then obviously Jesus' works are not only for the Bible but for people who will never be read of. Thus I will continue to prophesy to the people God sends me to. If you can produce one verse that truely says that my prophecies are supposed to be in the Bible (when Jesus' works are not all recorded) then I will listen to you. But I know you will not find any verse that says I can not prophesy because it will not go in the Bible.

you can 'prophesy' all you want to.
and you will.

 

[zone]

You're playing a numbers game that Yahweh doesn't play. For instance, we know of one period of four hundred years where Yahweh was silent, the years before Yeshua was born, and there were certainly believers floating around then. Secondly, where is it written that the prophets must be well known or famous? I mean, remember Phillip the Evangelist, who had four unmarried daughters who prophesized? We don't know what they said, and had they not been the daughter of Phillip, we'd never have known of their existence, yet they were prophetesses just the same.

you keep going to scripture and biblical prophets to rationalize prophets continuing.
prove continuation!

what numbers game?
the proof texts are the foundational offices and the claim is continuation: SHOW ME!

 

[jonathanbchristian]

Zone, I noticed you did not quote the Scripture that I posted. Nice touch on your ungodly little rant (not!). System's post blows your doctrine away, or didn't you read that? Everything the prophets said was not recorded; what's your answer to that? Everything Jesus said is not recorded just like John 21:25 says. So if Jesus wants to continue speaking even though it is not recorded, who are you to say that God cannot speak? Don't you believe that God can speak in Heaven right now? Your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven oh Lord!

 

[zone]

Just a question based on Amos: Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, unless he reveals his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Why the heads up about the prophets in Revelation....if its business as usual?

don't know what you're asking.
Amos was an OT prophet.

using the 2 witnesses of Revelation to prove continuation doesn't work....we have 2000 years of church history to draw from (minus the Latter Rain movement) - so where are they?

using them to prove restoration doesn't work either - it says 2: not 2 million/20 million.

 

[zone]

Zone, I noticed you did not quote the Scripture that I posted. Nice touch on your ungodly little rant (not!). System's post blows your doctrine away, or didn't you read that? Everything the prophets said was not recorded; what's your answer to that? Everything Jesus said is not recorded just like John 21:25 says. So if Jesus wants to continue speaking even though it is not recorded, who are you to say that God cannot speak? Don't you believe that God can speak in Heaven right now? Your will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven oh Lord!

i'm reading all of it.
you are a false prophet, speaking out of his own heart, and you know it.