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"For our own good or his anger"?
I would say either one is correct. The Bible speaks of "The Rod of Correction" for an unruly child, but the Bible also tells us not to be amazed if God sends us a "Fiery Trial". God usually uses different methods to teach us something. He is not Angry at everyone, He just knows how to get our attention.
I beleive. God has a "keeping line" meaning if you are converted and know better then say an Unbeliever and Un-Repentant sinner, he expects more from these. Our Punishment MAY be greater then Unbelievers....
I would say either one is correct. The Bible speaks of "The Rod of Correction" for an unruly child, but the Bible also tells us not to be amazed if God sends us a "Fiery Trial". God usually uses different methods to teach us something. He is not Angry at everyone, He just knows how to get our attention.
I beleive. God has a "keeping line" meaning if you are converted and know better then say an Unbeliever and Un-Repentant sinner, he expects more from these. Our Punishment MAY be greater then Unbelievers....
Heres a wee article I found online. it should clear everithing up nicely.
Question: "Does God punish us when we sin?"
Answer: In order to answer this question, we first need to distinguish between punishment and discipline. For believers in Jesus, all our sin – past, present and future – has already been punished on the cross. As Christians, we will never be punished for sin. That was done once for all. “There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Because of the sacrifice of Christ, God sees only the righteousness of Christ when He looks at us. Our sin has been nailed to the cross with Jesus, and we will never be punished for it.
The sin that remains in our lives, however, does sometimes require God’s discipline. If we continue to act in sinful ways and we do not repent and turn from that sin, God brings His divine discipline to bear upon us. If He did not, He would not be a loving and concerned Father. Just as we discipline our own children for their welfare, so does our heavenly Father lovingly correct His children for their benefit. Hebrews 12:7-13 tells us, "As you endure this divine discipline, remember that God is treating you as his own children. Whoever heard of a child who was never disciplined? If God doesn't discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children after all. Since we respect our earthly fathers who disciplined us, should we not all the more cheerfully submit to the discipline of our heavenly Father and live forever? For our earthly fathers disciplined us for a few years, doing the best they knew how. But God's discipline is always right and good for us because it means we will share in his holiness. No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening--it is painful! But afterward there will be a quiet harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way.”
Discipline, then, is how God lovingly turns His children from rebellion to obedience. Through discipline our eyes are opened more clearly to God's perspective on our lives. As King David stated in Psalm 32, discipline causes us to confess and repent of sin we have not yet dealt with. In this way discipline is cleansing. It is also a growth catalyst. The more we know about God, the more we know about His desires for our lives. Discipline presents us with the opportunity to learn and to conform ourselves to the image of Christ (Romans 12:1-2). Discipline is a good thing!
We need to remember that sin is a constant in our lives while we are yet on this earth (Romans 3:10, 23). And as such, we not only have to deal with God's discipline for our disobedience, but we also have to deal with the natural consequences resulting from sin. If a believer steals something, God will forgive him and cleanse him from the sin of theft, restoring fellowship between Himself and the repentant thief. However, the societal consequences of theft can be severe, resulting in fines or even jail time. These are natural consequences of sin and must be endured. But God works even through those to increase our faith and glorify Himself.
Phil
Question: "Does God punish us when we sin?"
Answer: In order to answer this question, we first need to distinguish between punishment and discipline. For believers in Jesus, all our sin – past, present and future – has already been punished on the cross. As Christians, we will never be punished for sin. That was done once for all. “There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Because of the sacrifice of Christ, God sees only the righteousness of Christ when He looks at us. Our sin has been nailed to the cross with Jesus, and we will never be punished for it.
The sin that remains in our lives, however, does sometimes require God’s discipline. If we continue to act in sinful ways and we do not repent and turn from that sin, God brings His divine discipline to bear upon us. If He did not, He would not be a loving and concerned Father. Just as we discipline our own children for their welfare, so does our heavenly Father lovingly correct His children for their benefit. Hebrews 12:7-13 tells us, "As you endure this divine discipline, remember that God is treating you as his own children. Whoever heard of a child who was never disciplined? If God doesn't discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children after all. Since we respect our earthly fathers who disciplined us, should we not all the more cheerfully submit to the discipline of our heavenly Father and live forever? For our earthly fathers disciplined us for a few years, doing the best they knew how. But God's discipline is always right and good for us because it means we will share in his holiness. No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening--it is painful! But afterward there will be a quiet harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way.”
Discipline, then, is how God lovingly turns His children from rebellion to obedience. Through discipline our eyes are opened more clearly to God's perspective on our lives. As King David stated in Psalm 32, discipline causes us to confess and repent of sin we have not yet dealt with. In this way discipline is cleansing. It is also a growth catalyst. The more we know about God, the more we know about His desires for our lives. Discipline presents us with the opportunity to learn and to conform ourselves to the image of Christ (Romans 12:1-2). Discipline is a good thing!
We need to remember that sin is a constant in our lives while we are yet on this earth (Romans 3:10, 23). And as such, we not only have to deal with God's discipline for our disobedience, but we also have to deal with the natural consequences resulting from sin. If a believer steals something, God will forgive him and cleanse him from the sin of theft, restoring fellowship between Himself and the repentant thief. However, the societal consequences of theft can be severe, resulting in fines or even jail time. These are natural consequences of sin and must be endured. But God works even through those to increase our faith and glorify Himself.
Phil
The love that Jesus showed while on this earth is the same love that applies now.
God is not punishing anybody.God only touches people for good and never evil.
The Bible says that many people will be blasphemers at the last days which is calling God evil.
Never say God is punishing you for that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Matt
God is not punishing anybody.God only touches people for good and never evil.
The Bible says that many people will be blasphemers at the last days which is calling God evil.
Never say God is punishing you for that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Matt
I want to share how I learn, am corrected, by our Father, and see if it strikes a chord with anyone else.
Whenevr I act or speak in a way that is not loving, that is not in His love, He makes me to know His disappointment for what I have done or said, and even at times makes me to know how my words or actions have made the other person feel, especially if they are of His children. And when I come into His presence, and He illuminates my heart with His holiness, I see with altogether too much clearness the places where the darkess of hate or jealously or envy have not been rooted out by His light, or where these may have gained a place in me again. And if I stay away from Him and avoid His light, the Holy Spirit takes offense, and becomes silent in mu heart. Over the years, after many sins and errors, I have learned to recognize to some small extent when I am being chastised by God. It is always because of a lack of love for others, always. And always when I choose to walk not in love for others, I have had to walk not in Jesus, but after the flesh.
Whenever I find myself in this place of chastisement, never do I feel condemnation, but rather a sure conviction of what is required of God's children. And a deep sorrow and even shame at my hateful words and actions. But He is faithful and just, and forgives my of all my sins, and cleanses my heart of all unrighteousness. But this is not all that He does, oh no. In addition, He cleanses my conscience, making it pure again, no stain or even the remote smell of guilt, so that I can come before my Father again, justified in Him, pure and clean.
This is how He is growing me up into the fullness of Jesus Christ.
In His love,
Vic
Whenevr I act or speak in a way that is not loving, that is not in His love, He makes me to know His disappointment for what I have done or said, and even at times makes me to know how my words or actions have made the other person feel, especially if they are of His children. And when I come into His presence, and He illuminates my heart with His holiness, I see with altogether too much clearness the places where the darkess of hate or jealously or envy have not been rooted out by His light, or where these may have gained a place in me again. And if I stay away from Him and avoid His light, the Holy Spirit takes offense, and becomes silent in mu heart. Over the years, after many sins and errors, I have learned to recognize to some small extent when I am being chastised by God. It is always because of a lack of love for others, always. And always when I choose to walk not in love for others, I have had to walk not in Jesus, but after the flesh.
Whenever I find myself in this place of chastisement, never do I feel condemnation, but rather a sure conviction of what is required of God's children. And a deep sorrow and even shame at my hateful words and actions. But He is faithful and just, and forgives my of all my sins, and cleanses my heart of all unrighteousness. But this is not all that He does, oh no. In addition, He cleanses my conscience, making it pure again, no stain or even the remote smell of guilt, so that I can come before my Father again, justified in Him, pure and clean.
This is how He is growing me up into the fullness of Jesus Christ.
In His love,
Vic
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[30] If his children forsake my law
and do not walk according to my ordinances,
[31] if they violate my statutes
and do not keep my commandments,
[32] then I will punish their transgression with the rod
and their iniquity with scourges;
[33] but I will not remove from him my steadfast love,
or be false to my faithfulness. Psalms 89:30-33 RSV
and do not walk according to my ordinances,
[31] if they violate my statutes
and do not keep my commandments,
[32] then I will punish their transgression with the rod
and their iniquity with scourges;
[33] but I will not remove from him my steadfast love,
or be false to my faithfulness. Psalms 89:30-33 RSV