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Is Jesus' Lordship something that is shared with God the Father and the Holy Spirit?
 

PS

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Is Jesus' Lordship something that is shared with God the Father and the Holy Spirit?
Jesus is the LORD of the Old Testament.

Jesus is : -
Genesis 1:1 God is the Creator

John 1:3-10 Jesus is the Creator

Genesis 17:1 The Almighty is God
Rev. 1:8 Jesus is the Almighty


Exodus 3:14 The “I am” is God
John 8:58 Jesus is the “I am”


Deut. 10:17 The Lord of Lords is God
Rev. 19:16 Jesus is Lord of Lords


Ps 18:31 The Rock is God
I Cor 10:4 Jesus is the Rock


Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus


Ps 146:10 God shall reign forever
Luke 1:33 Jesus will reign forever


Isa 40:11 The Shepherd is God
John 10:16 Jesus is the Shepherd


Isa 41:14 The Redeemer is God
Luke 1:68 Jesus is the Redeemer


Isa 43:10 God said, “I am he”
John 8:24 Jesus said, “I am he”


Isa 43:10,11 (God is the Saviour
Luke 2:11 Jesus is the Saviour


Jer 31:32 God, the One Husband
II Cor. 11:2 Jesus-The One Husband


Zec 14:4-5 God is coming
Matt 25:31 Jesus is coming


Mal 1:6 The One Master is God
Matt 23:8 Jesus is the One Master


Isa 43:15 The Holy One is God
Acts 3:14 Jesus is the Holy One


Isa 43:15 God is King of Israel
Matt 27:37 Jesus is King of Israel


Isa 45:21 The One Saviour is God
Acts 4:12 Jesus is the One Saviour


Isa 43:10,11 God is the only Saviour
Titus 1:4 Jesus is the only Saviour


Isa 44:6 The first and last is God
Rev. 1:8, 22:13 Jesus is first and last


Isa. 44:6 The King of Israel is God
John 1:49 Jesus is King of Israel


Isa. 45:23 Every knee must bow to God
Phil 2:10-11 Every knee must bow to Jesus


Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus


Jesus said in Rev 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
 
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Is Jesus' Lordship something that is shared with God the Father and the Holy Spirit?
The Father is a role, what He is to His creation - and not the description as of a separate "person", or being.
God is described and told to be a Spirit, and only one Spirit - and furthermore scripture reveals that He takes on flesh.
The Father took on flesh - and the flesh He took on, was given a name - His own name - Jesus.


So in your asking, if Jesus' Lordship is something that is shared, the answer is no.
Because the one that was here, and is here, is Jesus Himself.
Jesus is not a man - He is a Spirit. He took on flesh, but flesh is not who He is.

Here is the separation between the carnal and spiritual.
Those that have the Spirit of Christ inside, will be able to make this distinction,
because they understand that we are not flesh - flesh is only a tent, we are actually spirit.
Those without Christ do only know of the flesh, and are also in bondage to it.
There is no knowledge of any other life, or way of living.

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh,
yet now henceforth know we him no more.

When one gets saved by the hand of God, - one is awakaned to the Spiritual life that gives victory over the bondage of the flesh.
Before Christ, one is a slave - in what is old, but when Christ indwells a believer, one wakes to a new life -
and this life gives you power and victory over the flesh. There's a separation between the flesh and spirit -
and this is also how we are supposed and meant to know Christ. By His Spirit, who he truly is.


When John the baptist walked earth, he testified to men about the Light of the world.
But what did John the baptist do? He said that he was not this light, - but that he was here to bear witness of it.
He was speaking about God. He is a Holy Spirit.

What did Jesus Christ do? He said; I am the light of the world.
That's because God, - who is a Spirit, who is the light - took on flesh.
So when Christ speaks, he is testifying about the Spirit - who he truly is, but he is not pointing to the flesh -
because that's not who God is.

So the Holy Spirit is God as He truly is - and the Son of God is this Spirit walking amongst us as you and I, -
testifying about who He is in heaven. About himself, really - but He can't point to flesh, because flesh/man - is not God.
 

Adstar

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Jesus is the LORD of the Old Testament.

Jesus is : -
Genesis 1:1 God is the Creator

John 1:3-10 Jesus is the Creator

Genesis 17:1 The Almighty is God
Rev. 1:8 Jesus is the Almighty


Exodus 3:14 The “I am” is God
John 8:58 Jesus is the “I am”


Deut. 10:17 The Lord of Lords is God
Rev. 19:16 Jesus is Lord of Lords


Ps 18:31 The Rock is God
I Cor 10:4 Jesus is the Rock


Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus


Ps 146:10 God shall reign forever
Luke 1:33 Jesus will reign forever


Isa 40:11 The Shepherd is God
John 10:16 Jesus is the Shepherd


Isa 41:14 The Redeemer is God
Luke 1:68 Jesus is the Redeemer


Isa 43:10 God said, “I am he”
John 8:24 Jesus said, “I am he”


Isa 43:10,11 (God is the Saviour
Luke 2:11 Jesus is the Saviour


Jer 31:32 God, the One Husband
II Cor. 11:2 Jesus-The One Husband


Zec 14:4-5 God is coming
Matt 25:31 Jesus is coming


Mal 1:6 The One Master is God
Matt 23:8 Jesus is the One Master


Isa 43:15 The Holy One is God
Acts 3:14 Jesus is the Holy One


Isa 43:15 God is King of Israel
Matt 27:37 Jesus is King of Israel


Isa 45:21 The One Saviour is God
Acts 4:12 Jesus is the One Saviour


Isa 43:10,11 God is the only Saviour
Titus 1:4 Jesus is the only Saviour


Isa 44:6 The first and last is God
Rev. 1:8, 22:13 Jesus is first and last


Isa. 44:6 The King of Israel is God
John 1:49 Jesus is King of Israel


Isa. 45:23 Every knee must bow to God
Phil 2:10-11 Every knee must bow to Jesus


Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus


Jesus said in Rev 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Wonderful post, Jesus is LORD..

1 Timothy 3: KJV
16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
 

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The Father is a role, what He is to His creation - and not the description as of a separate "person", or being.
God is described and told to be a Spirit, and only one Spirit - and furthermore scripture reveals that He takes on flesh.
The Father took on flesh - and the flesh He took on, was given a name - His own name - Jesus.


So in your asking, if Jesus' Lordship is something that is shared, the answer is no.
Because the one that was here, and is here, is Jesus Himself.
Jesus is not a man - He is a Spirit. He took on flesh, but flesh is not who He is.

Here is the separation between the carnal and spiritual.
Those that have the Spirit of Christ inside, will be able to make this distinction,
because they understand that we are not flesh - flesh is only a tent, we are actually spirit.
Those without Christ do only know of the flesh, and are also in bondage to it.
There is no knowledge of any other life, or way of living.

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh,
yet now henceforth know we him no more.

When one gets saved by the hand of God, - one is awakaned to the Spiritual life that gives victory over the bondage of the flesh.
Before Christ, one is a slave - in what is old, but when Christ indwells a believer, one wakes to a new life -
and this life gives you power and victory over the flesh. There's a separation between the flesh and spirit -
and this is also how we are supposed and meant to know Christ. By His Spirit, who he truly is.


When John the baptist walked earth, he testified to men about the Light of the world.
But what did John the baptist do? He said that he was not this light, - but that he was here to bear witness of it.
He was speaking about God. He is a Holy Spirit.

What did Jesus Christ do? He said; I am the light of the world.
That's because God, - who is a Spirit, who is the light - took on flesh.
So when Christ speaks, he is testifying about the Spirit - who he truly is, but he is not pointing to the flesh -
because that's not who God is.

So the Holy Spirit is God as He truly is - and the Son of God is this Spirit walking amongst us as you and I, -
testifying about who He is in heaven. About himself, really - but He can't point to flesh, because flesh/man - is not God.
This is rank heresy. It's modalism. The Father and Son are distinct persons, they are not identical. The Father did not come in the flesh, this is the heresy of patripassianism from the early 2nd century. Please disregard this individuals post.
 

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This is rank heresy. It's modalism. The Father and Son are distinct persons, they are not identical. The Father did not come in the flesh, this is the heresy of patripassianism from the early 2nd century. Please disregard this individuals post.
I heard someone explain the trinity like this and would value your opinion.

Those who have seen Undercover Boss on TV will know the new starter really owns the company, yet they appear as two persons.

What do you think?
 
#7
Jesus is the LORD of the Old Testament.

Jesus is : -
Genesis 1:1 God is the Creator

John 1:3-10 Jesus is the Creator

Genesis 17:1 The Almighty is God
Rev. 1:8 Jesus is the Almighty


Exodus 3:14 The “I am” is God
John 8:58 Jesus is the “I am”


Deut. 10:17 The Lord of Lords is God
Rev. 19:16 Jesus is Lord of Lords


Ps 18:31 The Rock is God
I Cor 10:4 Jesus is the Rock


Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus


Ps 146:10 God shall reign forever
Luke 1:33 Jesus will reign forever


Isa 40:11 The Shepherd is God
John 10:16 Jesus is the Shepherd


Isa 41:14 The Redeemer is God
Luke 1:68 Jesus is the Redeemer


Isa 43:10 God said, “I am he”
John 8:24 Jesus said, “I am he”


Isa 43:10,11 (God is the Saviour
Luke 2:11 Jesus is the Saviour


Jer 31:32 God, the One Husband
II Cor. 11:2 Jesus-The One Husband


Zec 14:4-5 God is coming
Matt 25:31 Jesus is coming


Mal 1:6 The One Master is God
Matt 23:8 Jesus is the One Master


Isa 43:15 The Holy One is God
Acts 3:14 Jesus is the Holy One


Isa 43:15 God is King of Israel
Matt 27:37 Jesus is King of Israel


Isa 45:21 The One Saviour is God
Acts 4:12 Jesus is the One Saviour


Isa 43:10,11 God is the only Saviour
Titus 1:4 Jesus is the only Saviour


Isa 44:6 The first and last is God
Rev. 1:8, 22:13 Jesus is first and last


Isa. 44:6 The King of Israel is God
John 1:49 Jesus is King of Israel


Isa. 45:23 Every knee must bow to God
Phil 2:10-11 Every knee must bow to Jesus


Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus


Jesus said in Rev 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Yeah! That's why Jesus is called "Jehovah's SAVIOR."
Mark 13
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
 
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This is rank heresy. It's modalism. The Father and Son are distinct persons, they are not identical. The Father did not come in the flesh, this is the heresy of patripassianism from the early 2nd century. Please disregard this individuals post.
John 8:24
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”

I am HE? Have you read that in the context? He is speaking about the Father.
 
#9
I heard someone explain the trinity like this and would value your opinion.

Those who have seen Undercover Boss on TV will know the new starter really owns the company, yet they appear as two persons.

What do you think?
There is a very real phenomena, known as "Rescuer Worship." The Disciple John had it. Many believers today have it!
People just can't seem to "come to terms", with God and Father of Jesus Christ speaking through His Holy Anointed One, without "making Christ" god and Father!
This gives me (anyway), a cause to think they have been (at least) seduced into believing this:
2 Thessalonians 2
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
 

PS

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#10
There is a very real phenomena, known as "Rescuer Worship." The Disciple John had it. Many believers today have it!
People just can't seem to "come to terms", with God and Father of Jesus Christ speaking through His Holy Anointed One, without "making Christ" god and Father!
This gives me (anyway), a cause to think they have been (at least) seduced into believing this:
2 Thessalonians 2
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The LORD of the Old Testament came upon Mary and "she was found with child by the Holy Spirit. (Mat 1:18)

Hence, the writer of Col 2:9 was able to tell us, "in him (Jesus) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

This is why we read in 1 Tim 3:16 "God (the LORD Jesus Christ) was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 

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John 8:24
“I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”

I am HE? Have you read that in the context? He is speaking about the Father.
Yes he is speaking about the father. He refers to the Father as 'him' just two sentences later. You sir are not reading the context. He refers to the Father in the third person as one who is with him and who sent him. He is NOT the father. They are distinct and the very passage you quote from proves it. You twist the scriptures to your own destruction and you heresy has found you out. Repent
 

GHClarkII

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I heard someone explain the trinity like this and would value your opinion.

Those who have seen Undercover Boss on TV will know the new starter really owns the company, yet they appear as two persons.

What do you think?
That is not a good analogy. First, the new hire is in disguise. He has a false name and false identity. When he refers to the owner in the third person he is lying. Jesus did not lying to us. He tells us about the Father and perfectly reveals Him to us. And yet they speak to each other as separate persons, different and distinct from one another. The Father crushes the Son on the cross, not the Father crushes himself. I would not ever use that example. It implies modalism and is heretical.
 

breno785au

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The Father is a role, what He is to His creation - and not the description as of a separate "person", or being.
God is described and told to be a Spirit, and only one Spirit - and furthermore scripture reveals that He takes on flesh.
The Father took on flesh - and the flesh He took on, was given a name - His own name - Jesus.


So in your asking, if Jesus' Lordship is something that is shared, the answer is no.
Because the one that was here, and is here, is Jesus Himself.
Jesus is not a man - He is a Spirit. He took on flesh, but flesh is not who He is.

Here is the separation between the carnal and spiritual.
Those that have the Spirit of Christ inside, will be able to make this distinction,
because they understand that we are not flesh - flesh is only a tent, we are actually spirit.
Those without Christ do only know of the flesh, and are also in bondage to it.
There is no knowledge of any other life, or way of living.

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh,
yet now henceforth know we him no more.

When one gets saved by the hand of God, - one is awakaned to the Spiritual life that gives victory over the bondage of the flesh.
Before Christ, one is a slave - in what is old, but when Christ indwells a believer, one wakes to a new life -
and this life gives you power and victory over the flesh. There's a separation between the flesh and spirit -
and this is also how we are supposed and meant to know Christ. By His Spirit, who he truly is.


When John the baptist walked earth, he testified to men about the Light of the world.
But what did John the baptist do? He said that he was not this light, - but that he was here to bear witness of it.
He was speaking about God. He is a Holy Spirit.

What did Jesus Christ do? He said; I am the light of the world.
That's because God, - who is a Spirit, who is the light - took on flesh.
So when Christ speaks, he is testifying about the Spirit - who he truly is, but he is not pointing to the flesh -
because that's not who God is.

So the Holy Spirit is God as He truly is - and the Son of God is this Spirit walking amongst us as you and I, -
testifying about who He is in heaven. About himself, really - but He can't point to flesh, because flesh/man - is not God.
I'm not saying Jesus is a man but some overlook that Jesus ascended into heaven in His glorified body.
 

GHClarkII

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I'm not saying Jesus is a man but some overlook that Jesus ascended into heaven in His glorified body.
He IS a man!! He is the Deus Homo, the Theanthropos, the God-man. He has 2 natures forever now. Amen!!
 

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Is Jesus' Lordship something that is shared with God the Father and the Holy Spirit?
The historic creeds of the church explain things up nicely for us. Here's one of them.

The Athanasian Creed
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith; Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; And yet they are not three Gods, but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord; And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead; He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty; From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies; and shall give account of their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.

~Deut
 

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And these guys can help too, especially with what the Godhead is not :)


~Deut
 

Deuteronomy

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The historic creeds of the church explain things up nicely for us. Here's one of them.

The Athanasian Creed
Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith; Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; And yet they are not three Gods, but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord; And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead; He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty; From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies; and shall give account of their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.

~Deut
I'm not sure why I typed "UP" into that phrase in my opening sentence, "explain things UP nicely for us", but it wasn't supposed to be there (and I didn't notice it before my 5 min edit time was up). Sorry about that :oops:
 

Blik

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Jesus is the LORD of the Old Testament.

Jesus is : -
Genesis 1:1 God is the Creator

John 1:3-10 Jesus is the Creator

Genesis 17:1 The Almighty is God
Rev. 1:8 Jesus is the Almighty


Exodus 3:14 The “I am” is God
John 8:58 Jesus is the “I am”


Deut. 10:17 The Lord of Lords is God
Rev. 19:16 Jesus is Lord of Lords


Ps 18:31 The Rock is God
I Cor 10:4 Jesus is the Rock


Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus


Ps 146:10 God shall reign forever
Luke 1:33 Jesus will reign forever


Isa 40:11 The Shepherd is God
John 10:16 Jesus is the Shepherd


Isa 41:14 The Redeemer is God
Luke 1:68 Jesus is the Redeemer


Isa 43:10 God said, “I am he”
John 8:24 Jesus said, “I am he”


Isa 43:10,11 (God is the Saviour
Luke 2:11 Jesus is the Saviour


Jer 31:32 God, the One Husband
II Cor. 11:2 Jesus-The One Husband


Zec 14:4-5 God is coming
Matt 25:31 Jesus is coming


Mal 1:6 The One Master is God
Matt 23:8 Jesus is the One Master


Isa 43:15 The Holy One is God
Acts 3:14 Jesus is the Holy One


Isa 43:15 God is King of Israel
Matt 27:37 Jesus is King of Israel


Isa 45:21 The One Saviour is God
Acts 4:12 Jesus is the One Saviour


Isa 43:10,11 God is the only Saviour
Titus 1:4 Jesus is the only Saviour


Isa 44:6 The first and last is God
Rev. 1:8, 22:13 Jesus is first and last


Isa. 44:6 The King of Israel is God
John 1:49 Jesus is King of Israel


Isa. 45:23 Every knee must bow to God
Phil 2:10-11 Every knee must bow to Jesus


Psalms 22:16 They pierced my hands and my feet
Zechariah 12:10 They pierced me – God
John 19:34 They pierced Jesus


Jesus said in Rev 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
Your post is with truth, yet it is also true that God is the Father and Christ is the Son, it is not that Christ is the father and God the son.
 

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That is not a good analogy. First, the new hire is in disguise. He has a false name and false identity. When he refers to the owner in the third person he is lying. Jesus did not lying to us. He tells us about the Father and perfectly reveals Him to us. And yet they speak to each other as separate persons, different and distinct from one another. The Father crushes the Son on the cross, not the Father crushes himself. I would not ever use that example. It implies modalism and is heretical.
Allow me to rectify a few salient errors.

First, the new hire takes on a new appearance, is given a new name and new identity. (Like Jesus) When he refers to the owner in the third person he is speaking about himself. (True) Jesus did not lying to us. (No he did not) He tells us about the Father and perfectly reveals Him to us. And yet they speak to each other as separate persons, different and distinct from one another. (The same as the apprentice) The Father crushes the Son on the cross, thereby crushing only the sinful flesh (Correct).