Do you believe that the scriptures contradict one another? They should all harmonize. There is a deliverance (salvation) that we can obtain by our works. It is not an eternal deliverance, but a deliverance we can have here in this world by obeying God's commandments. We know that eternal deliverance is not by the works of man, but by God's grace. Most of God's children can not understand the difference in the two.
That's why I gave the example that I did in the order that I did. So you could see yourself thinking one way and then when you read the same verbiage presented a different way you see that what you might have originally thought was probably wrong.
There is a salvation we can obtain by our works? Why would you call it salvation if you can do it yourself? Salvation implies a Saviour. Deliverance implies a Deliverer. Especially in Christianity.
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