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No I am not saying that at all. I am definitely disagreeing with your assertion that the completed new testament cannon is the perfect come. And I am disagreeing with your assertion that the Holy Spirit does not come to us any more as power to live in Christ, that the gifts have passed away. God does not die.
That the scriptures would take precedence over God is crazy. And how would God disagree with what He has caused to be written? Again, preposterous.
I am saying that your position is not supported by scripture. That is all.
That the scriptures would take precedence over God is crazy. And how would God disagree with what He has caused to be written? Again, preposterous.
I am saying that your position is not supported by scripture. That is all.
And perfect love is Christ, the love of God shown in the world. We have a chance to show just a small part of this love, love from God, Jesus Christ in the world, through the Holy Spirit. Sadly, many do not know of this chance, have not been taught that this is not only possible, but worthy, and God's will for us. By this we share in the work of Christ, and in His sacrifice of love.
This makes a liar of all of the saints who have come after acts, who walked in the unction from on high.
And in fact, makes a different doctrine, which says that those in the upper room were not saved before the Holy Spirit was poured out upon them.
I agree that when we receive Him, receive Jesus into our hearts, that we are at that time, saved, born again of God, holy and pure in Him, of His seed. But to say that this is all that their is to what God would give us leaves the believer weak and prone to defeat, without power to effect a witness which has the power to save others. The what you call special experience is actually not so special at all, but should be not only normal, but experienced by every person who believes, who has become a child of God. It is the power of God for the work of Jesus, in the same way that Jesus Himself was baptized in the Holy Spirit when He began His works.
And here is why. They are not our works, just as Jesus said of His works that they were not His, but His Father in heaven, He was doing the works, through Him. As we have seen Him do, so we are to go and do likewise, in the very same way that He did. Jesus sends His Spirit into us to give us God's nature, which is what Jesus was born with. So by the Spirit are we born of God, just as He was born of God, conceived of the Holy Spirit. But when we go out into the world, to do God's works, we must do so in the power of the Holy Spirit, in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, just as Jesus did. Otherwise, the works are our works, and not those works which have been wrought in God. Otherwise the works are not those which have been prepared from before the foundations of the world, that we should walk in them.
Without the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the church is weak, fraught with division, ineffective, and scorned by the world. With the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the church is a vessel of God, which has the power of God to effect salvation to all, the least and the great, and to be the light of God in the world. But we don't believe. This is grieving of the Holy Spirit. He morns the loss that this unbelief has wrought.
And in fact, makes a different doctrine, which says that those in the upper room were not saved before the Holy Spirit was poured out upon them.
I agree that when we receive Him, receive Jesus into our hearts, that we are at that time, saved, born again of God, holy and pure in Him, of His seed. But to say that this is all that their is to what God would give us leaves the believer weak and prone to defeat, without power to effect a witness which has the power to save others. The what you call special experience is actually not so special at all, but should be not only normal, but experienced by every person who believes, who has become a child of God. It is the power of God for the work of Jesus, in the same way that Jesus Himself was baptized in the Holy Spirit when He began His works.
And here is why. They are not our works, just as Jesus said of His works that they were not His, but His Father in heaven, He was doing the works, through Him. As we have seen Him do, so we are to go and do likewise, in the very same way that He did. Jesus sends His Spirit into us to give us God's nature, which is what Jesus was born with. So by the Spirit are we born of God, just as He was born of God, conceived of the Holy Spirit. But when we go out into the world, to do God's works, we must do so in the power of the Holy Spirit, in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, just as Jesus did. Otherwise, the works are our works, and not those works which have been wrought in God. Otherwise the works are not those which have been prepared from before the foundations of the world, that we should walk in them.
Without the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the church is weak, fraught with division, ineffective, and scorned by the world. With the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the church is a vessel of God, which has the power of God to effect salvation to all, the least and the great, and to be the light of God in the world. But we don't believe. This is grieving of the Holy Spirit. He morns the loss that this unbelief has wrought.
Strange. Unction is synonymous with anointing. In some translations, the word anointing is rendered unction.
How am I misrepresenting you? You have denied the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and lumped His gift to us as done when we receive Him into our hearts. Did I misunderstand? If so, show what you mean, so I can apologize and we can move on about this baptism which I know is very important to us and to those who are lost and need Him.
How am I misrepresenting you? You have denied the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and lumped His gift to us as done when we receive Him into our hearts. Did I misunderstand? If so, show what you mean, so I can apologize and we can move on about this baptism which I know is very important to us and to those who are lost and need Him.
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Could you please back up your opinion on receiving the holy ghost with scripture and define your opinion on being saved John 3:5 says that you also have to be born of the water and of the spirit to enter the kingdom of god I would say that if you are saved then you will enter the kingdom of god so you must have both but you can have the spirit without being born of the water ( it happened in the bible )
I am sorry brother, but scripture nor experience bears this out. The promise is there at conversion, ( I don't like that word to describe what happens when we receive the life of God, our seal of adoption,) but that does not mean that one has been baptized in the Holy Spirit. I am not a pentecostal and I do not believe that one must speak in tongues to be saved, or even to show the baptism of the Spirit, but I do believe that there is an empowering by God that is not always given at salvation, and in fact that many have not even as of yet received.
What is this empowering? It is the Spirit of Christ on us, not just in us, so that we walk in His power, are lead by His words. Not written words, but spoken words from God. Not extrabiblical, (another strange word,) but in fulfillment of the scripture.
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As far as when and how we receive the Holy Spirit, Scripture is consistent that it is at the moment we receive Messiah. Ephesians 1:13-14, Romans 8:9 and others. Now with the gift of tongues personally I do not see how speaking in an unintelligible tongue lifts anyone up in Christ or proclaims His truth. God is not the author of confusion, and speaking in an unintelligible tongue is just that. The gift of speaking in tongues (languages) was given to the early believers to help witness to the surrounding peoples in their own languages, it was never incomprehensible. To see people speaking in counterfeit tongues like this today is in my view a misinterpretation of scripture. Not to mention this gift was not given to all believers.
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.