Question: "Masturbation - is it a sin according to the Bible?"

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No, it is not a sin. Even if it were a sin, it is not nearly as bad as other things that are expressly listed as sins. What about gluttony? That one is way worse, yet I am sure there are scads of gluttons here- myself included. As far as I can tell, masturbation hurts NO ONE, while gluttony is detrimental to health, and therefore families are affected as they have to take care of people who prematurely ruined their health.
 
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Ephesians 5:3
But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints.
Sexual immorality is kind of vague. What I think is immoral, may not what you think is immoral and vice versa. Whatever married people do together is permitted, in my opinion and not immoral. Others may think otherwise.
 
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Because we know that sex with a spouse is not a sin, and masturbation is uncleanness and a sin. Do we have to be married to discern this from scripture?
Masturbation with your spouse is not sin and neither is oral sex.

Fornication, bestiality and Adultery are sin.
 
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I agree, as disciples of Christ were married, and nowhere in scripture does it say religious figures shouldn't marry. They did it so they would have to devout and leave all their resources to the church, greedy and counterproductive to creating competent leaders. You avoided my point however.
The Apostle Paul says you are wrong.

1 Cor 7:7-9
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

The above passage is why the RCC instituted the marriage ban on Priests.


Do you want to continue playing this game or can we stop?
 
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No, it is not a sin. Even if it were a sin, it is not nearly as bad as other things that are expressly listed as sins. What about gluttony? That one is way worse, yet I am sure there are scads of gluttons here- myself included. As far as I can tell, masturbation hurts NO ONE, while gluttony is detrimental to health, and therefore families are affected as they have to take care of people who prematurely ruined their health.
Masturbation hurts your mind and body, and everyone you interact with in this lessened version of yourself. Do we determine we can sin because some sins are worse than others?


I understand the surgeon general came out or whatever and said it was healthy, and I was even taught it was healthy in my sex ed class in college, but these people aren't seeing the bigger picture of the mind and body relationship.

I don't get too far into these teachings because they seem occultish and new agey but the message isn't. There is a chemical secreted by the medula that covers the spinal cord and then this reaction travels back up to your "brain". In order for your medula to secrete this chemical you cannot abuse/squander sex, masturbate or have excessive sex.

So by abstaining you actually receive health benefits to your mind and body that far outweigh the temporary relief of masturbation, and it will take more than a week, two, or maybe three to begin fully seeing these benefits. A healthier mind not fixated on sex is one benefit, another is a healthier spine with less tension and more feeling.


I'm uncomfortable with the direct symbolism they use with the story of Christ, but there really are 33 vertebrate and 12 cranial nerves. The big is the small in a sense, doesn't undermine either from being true.
 
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Sexual immorality is kind of vague. What I think is immoral, may not what you think is immoral and vice versa. Whatever married people do together is permitted, in my opinion and not immoral. Others may think otherwise.
totally agree.

1 Cor 7:1-7

Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But this I say by way of concession, not of command. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that.
 
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Masturbation hurts your mind and body, and everyone you interact with in this lessened version of yourself. Do we determine we can sin because some sins are worse than others?


I understand the surgeon general came out or whatever and said it was healthy, and I was even taught it was healthy in my sex ed class in college, but these people aren't seeing the bigger picture of the mind and body relationship.

I don't get too far into these teachings because they seem occultish and new agey but the message isn't. There is a chemical secreted by the medula that covers the spinal cord and then this reaction travels back up to your "brain". In order for your medula to secrete this chemical you cannot abuse/squander sex, masturbate or have excessive sex.

So by abstaining you actually receive health benefits to your mind and body that far outweigh the temporary relief of masturbation, and it will take more than a week, two, or maybe three to begin fully seeing these benefits. A healthier mind not fixated on sex is one benefit, another is a healthier spine with less tension and more feeling.


I'm uncomfortable with the direct symbolism they use with the story of Christ, but there really are 33 vertebrate and 12 cranial nerves. The big is the small in a sense, doesn't undermine either from being true.
What in the world?! Some kind of mumbo jumbo. Clearly, it is a sin for you- don’t do it, then.

I think it is worse for people psychologically if they don’t, and then metaphorically beat themselves for having a human body that was given a God given desire for intimacy.
 
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Masturbation hurts your mind and body, and everyone you interact with in this lessened version of yourself. Do we determine we can sin because some sins are worse than others?


I understand the surgeon general came out or whatever and said it was healthy, and I was even taught it was healthy in my sex ed class in college, but these people aren't seeing the bigger picture of the mind and body relationship.

I don't get too far into these teachings because they seem occultish and new agey but the message isn't. There is a chemical secreted by the medula that covers the spinal cord and then this reaction travels back up to your "brain". In order for your medula to secrete this chemical you cannot abuse/squander sex, masturbate or have excessive sex.

So by abstaining you actually receive health benefits to your mind and body that far outweigh the temporary relief of masturbation, and it will take more than a week, two, or maybe three to begin fully seeing these benefits. A healthier mind not fixated on sex is one benefit, another is a healthier spine with less tension and more feeling.


I'm uncomfortable with the direct symbolism they use with the story of Christ, but there really are 33 vertebrate and 12 cranial nerves. The big is the small in a sense, doesn't undermine either from being true.
Are you stating even mutual masturbation between married couples is sin?
 

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If this detracts ignore please.

what about wet dreams?
 
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Masturbation with your spouse is not sin and neither is oral sex.

Fornication, bestiality and Adultery are sin.
Great, this discussion is talking about the solo kind.

And you still haven't addressed my initial point of you telling people they are disqualified to discuss these issues if unmarried:
You have no spouse so how would you know.

which you yourself are doing now
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The Apostle Paul says you are wrong.

1 Cor 7:7-9
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am. However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

The above passage is why the RCC instituted the marriage ban on Priests.


Do you want to continue playing this game or can we stop?
I want to play. Paul didn't say religious figures should be banned from marriage, he said if they have the desire to it is better for them to marry than to not. There is no justification for banning marriage.

Christ had a discussion with his disciples about this in Matthew 19. After hearing that it was a sin to divorce your wife and also it causes her to sin, they asked if it were better not to marry to avoid this. And Christ simply told them that it this saying "it is better not to marry" is not for everyone but those who can handle it, mirrored by Paul's teaching about those burning with desire should marry.

7They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. 10His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. 11But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12

So instituted a ban for EVERYONE, even though it is not for everyone, doesn't have justification.
 
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What in the world?! Some kind of mumbo jumbo. Clearly, it is a sin for you- don’t do it, then.

I think it is worse for people psychologically if they don’t, and then metaphorically beat themselves for having a human body that was given a God given desire for intimacy.
I had the same thought of "mumbo jumbo" when you began justifying masturbation by saying it wasn't a sin and that there were worse sins to commit.

I tried to show you the bigger picture of abstinence from a physiological perspective, but you prefer the temporary relief and to classify it as "not a sin".
 
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Are you stating even mutual masturbation between married couples is sin?
You would love if I said that, because that would give you ground to stand on and be right instead of continually ignoring what I say.

No, I don't think a married couple are sinning with this act.
 
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You would love if I said that, because that would give you ground to stand on and be right instead of continually ignoring what I say.

No, I don't think a married couple are sinning with this act.
then stop posting mumbo jumbo saying it is.
 
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What in the world?! Some kind of mumbo jumbo. Clearly, it is a sin for you- don’t do it, then.

I think it is worse for people psychologically if they don’t, and then metaphorically beat themselves for having a human body that was given a God given desire for intimacy.
That God given desire for intimacy is so you go out into the world instead of satisfying yourself, look for love, get married, and fruitfully multiply. Masterbation spoils the fruit as well.

It's not a sin for me and not for you.

masturbation hurts NO ONE, while gluttony is detrimental to health.
It's detrimental to your health, but anything that supports this is "mumbo jumbo".
 
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then stop posting mumbo jumbo saying it is.
This thread is clearly to discuss if completing the act solo is bad, you think you are helping by saying it's ok for couples but you are missing the entire point of the discussion and removing all meaning from it.

What point do you think you are proving by saying married couples can do it, in a discussion about if single people can?:rolleyes:
 
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If this detracts ignore please.

what about wet dreams?
If having lust or hatred in your heart is a sin, having it in a dream probably is too.
 
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This thread is clearly to discuss if completing the act solo is bad, you think you are helping by saying it's ok for couples but you are missing the entire point of the discussion and removing all meaning from it.
Even if solo masturbation without being married is a SIN to you, that is your conviction. Stop posting absurd scare tactics about how your mind will explode and body will die to enforce your convictions onto others.

Looking at porn and masturbating while single is fornication, looking at porn and masturbating while married and keeping it from your spouse is adultery[this goes for you to ladies]

Masturbating while single without using porn is up to the Holy Spirit and the individual, not your personal convictions.

Watching porn together as a married couple and also mutually masturbating is up to that Couple and the Holy Spirit.

BTW, did you ever stop to consider that the little chart you put up there would also cause the same issues with vaginal intercourse? Nothing changes in your little chart or scenario just because a hand or partner is not involved.

Do you see the lunacy of your posts?

If you masturbate alone all this stuff happens to your head and body, but some how vaginal missionary intercourse does not do all those things only because we are being fruitful, multiplying and doing it right and proper.

BUNK pure religious contradictory BUNK!
 
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Masturbating while single without using porn is up to the Holy Spirit and the individual, not your personal convictions.
Well I'm glad I know where you stand on the issue. Looking at women with lust in your imagination is a sin, I don't think you are thinking about baseball scores.

BTW, did you ever stop to consider that the little chart you put up there would also cause the same issues with vaginal intercourse? Nothing changes in your little chart or scenario just because a hand partner is not involved.

Do you see the lunacy of your posts?
When you are with a loving partner and you don't abuse sex excessively, it is healthy and the love and connection with a real person changes the entire experience, when you are by yourself looking at women in your imagination with lust you are abusing sex and satisfying your desires in a way and place not intended for your own good physically, mentally, emotionally or socially.

The chart is to show you there is something to gain from abstinence, you will gain benefits that may even lead you to marriage.
 
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Do as I say, not as I do? You are a funny character!


Looking at porn and masturbating while single is fornication, looking at porn and masturbating while married and keeping it from your spouse is adultery[this goes for you to ladies]

Masturbating while single without using porn is up to the Holy Spirit and the individual, not your personal convictions.

Watching porn together as a married couple and also mutually masturbating is up to that Couple and the Holy Spirit.
you should stop any and all discussions even online about these topics, you have no experience in marriage or a marriage relationship and the counsel you give is fruitless to married and even single men & women.
You have no spouse so how would you know.