Question: "Masturbation - is it a sin according to the Bible?"

[Enow]

Mutual masturbation between married couples is common and is some cases is the only way a married couple can be intimate due to physical issues with the man or woman.

What a married couple does is their own business. My wife and I counseled a young married Christian couple on the very scenario you brought up. They both traveled a lot for work.

Their answer might not be another couples answer. They skyped and that is all I will say and what they described doing on skype was not SIN.

So basically, you are in opposition to anything that reproves you for counseling that way in regards to that situation in marriage.

Were you hoping to provide a way out for Marcelo in making what he does okay by Skyping with his wife? Is that your way of saying it was not okay when it was not "mutual"?

Let's see how you come across to single masturbaters.

First... you are telling them that married people cannot stop when they are by themselves apart from their spouse even though they have each other for sex when they get home.

Second... How does one keep the bed undefiled?

Hebrews 13:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Leviticus 15:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.

That may be debatable to some, but I am putting that out there in regards to what I assumed was your typoed reference earlier as "undefined".

Let's examine scripture more on this matter.

1 Corinthians 7:[SUP]8 [/SUP]I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

So if it is better for single people to marry than to burn, then married couples can wait till they get home.

Impossible? Is that the message you are going to give to single people? Not likely. So you do have a double standard, and you are denying the couple their source of strength to go to in their times of need just as single people are to do.

As it is, you cannot apply that reference below as part of your ministry nor your testimony in representing Him.

Ephesians 5:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

This should have been your service to Him as their counselor below.

Jude 1:[SUP]18 [/SUP]How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.[SUP]19 [/SUP]These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,[SUP]21 [/SUP]Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]And of some have compassion, making a difference:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

So you need to go before that throne of grace for help in doing what is right in according to His word as all believers are to be turning to Him for help in following Him, bringing every thought into captivity and thinking on good things.

2 Corinthians 10:[SUP]4 [/SUP](For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;[SUP] 6 [/SUP]And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Philippians 4:[SUP]12 [/SUP]I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Philippians 4:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

 

[Marcelo]

What is uncleanliness?

UNCLEANLINESS in Ephesians 5:3 is AKATHARSIA = IMPURITY. "Pure" means "not mixed with anything else".

A person can masturbate free from impure thoughts (focusing on their spouse only) and another person can have sex with their spouse while thinking of another person. So, uncleanliness is in the mind.

 

[Enow]

What is uncleanliness?

UNCLEANLINESS in Ephesians 5:3 is AKATHARSIA = IMPURITY. "Pure" means "not mixed with anything else".

A person can masturbate free from impure thoughts (focusing on their spouse only) and another person can have sex with their spouse while thinking of another person. So, uncleanliness is in the mind.

I am pretty sure you meant that committing adultery in the heart when thinking of another person when having sex with your spouse is an example of impure thoughts in trying to make your point about uncleanness is in the mind....

But your overall conclusion is not supported by scripture.

Ephesians 5:[SUP]2[/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

How can you convince any one that there is an exception to masturbation when none has been given in scripture, and hardly leaves any room for exceptions?

What do you say to men who masturbate even though their wives are at home, but they claim they were thinking of their wives?

1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

If you cannot show a small measure of self control when you are married, how can any single christian believe that they can when you are not turning to Christ Jesus for help in casting down imaginations and thinking on good things instead?

Romans 1:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

His words declares that masturbation is dishonoring their own bodies through the lusts of their own heart.
You have a wife. Sex is not for individual pleasure or release in fulfilling the lust thereof. Suffer till you get home.
Take a cold shower or whatever or however the Lord would help you to overcome, but you need to pray to the Lord for help to see the offense by His words and lean on Him to help you repent to honor your body and the woman you married.

Romans 1: I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.[SUP]2 [/SUP]And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[Enow]

Sex with your spouse is a good thing.

I'm not sure you're qualified to speak on this matter. From your profile:

So are married christians not qualified to use scripture in reproving single christians for the sin of masturbation?

Scripture reproves. Anybody can use scripture to reprove. We are not citing opinions here, brother.

In the situation Marcelo mentioned, masturbation is not a sin.

I do not see any wiggle room in that scripture below. Do you?

Ephesians 5:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Maybe there is another reference you can apply to Marcelo's situation but there cannot be any because if a married person cannot wait to get home to his wife to have sex with her, then how is a single christian supposed to believe they can avoid masturbation until they get married, and not even then?

 

[beastslayer1970]

Who are YOU, to tell anyone here to step off? This IS a public forum, and a public thread, and ANYONE can post here if they darn well want to..

I can already tell you're not gonna last too long here..lol

This is not in dispute and he can post all he wants.

His lack of understanding of the topic was what was in dispute and what he needed to step away from.

 

[beastslayer1970]

Self-mastrubation can be harmful to a marriage if one is more interested in self-mastrubation than physical intimacy with his/her spouse. I don't see any problem with mutual mastrubation between a husband and wife.

Very true and I agree.

 

[Demi777]

Do people think needs only need to be fulfilled after standing infront og a pastor?
If its like that lets say no more cake and pies until traditional marriage...no matter ur craving
Good grief some posts here make me wonder if ppl in stone hedge weren't a bit more understanding towards some peoples needs. Just my opinion tho

 

[beastslayer1970]

Hmm, the mods delete a thread about Jesus using the bathroom #2 and allow crap like this a thread about masturbation, weird.. people make me wonder what in world is going on in their heads.

I can understand your point and completely respect it.

I would also ask you to consider this.What would happen if the church spoke candidly about sex to the saints.


Porn/sex addiction is not just a man problem now. Facts tell us that women addicted to porn are now starting to surpass male porn addiction The numbers of self professed Christian men and women who are addicted to porn and married and single in the church is staggering and sobering. The numbers of full time ministry preachers and staff admitting to looking at porn is the elephant in the room.

The church has lost the battle on SEX but not the war. Candid sex talk without being salacious or sensual about it is exactly something the church should be doing,especially in this day and age

The church loves bashing homosexuals, but hardly bashes their own fornicating , adultery and sexual sins.

I do not believe any church, Pastor, teacher or saint has any room to preach against homosexuals, if their church is ripe in fornication and adultery. Jesus called that taking the beam out of your own eye first.

Candidly speaking about sexual acts between a married man and woman and topics such as this thread actually are healthy not evil.

 

[Corbinscam]

We are beyond your scope, so step off please.

I don't really think anyone but a mod can tell someone to step off Just putting that out there.

 

[beastslayer1970]

So basically, you are in opposition to anything that reproves you for counseling that way in regards to that situation in marriage.

No, I am in opposition to arrogant wanna be ministers like you who think a chat board is their perosnal ministry and they are deceived and deluded enough by their pride to think they have spiritual authority to reprove people of anything.

Especially those who claim they are unmarried and therefore have no business or understanding or authority, spiritual or otherwise to counsel people on physical intimacy in a marriage.

 

[beastslayer1970]

I don't really think anyone but a mod can tell someone to step off Just putting that out there.

yes I take it back to garee I did over react a bit. Sorry garee!

 

[Corbinscam]

Originally Posted by IamWhoIam

Hmm, the mods delete a thread about Jesus using the bathroom #2 and allow crap like this a thread about masturbation, weird.. people make me wonder what in world is going on in their heads.​

That topic seems insanely disrespectful and unproductive. I don't see how the bodily functions of Christ affect daily life for Christians. But I do see how churches and individuals ignoring issues has caused harm. If we took the time to address issues like those mentioned in this thread in a non combative and respectful way it'd benefit a whole lot of people.

 

[Marcelo]

IHow can you convince any one that there is an exception to masturbation when none has been given in scripture, and hardly leaves any room for exceptions?

We speak of exceptions to the rule when there is a rule, but there is not one Bible verse prohibiting masturbation.

 

[Enow]

No, I am in opposition to arrogant wanna be ministers like you who think a chat board is their perosnal ministry and they are deceived and deluded enough by their pride to think they have spiritual authority to reprove people of anything.

Especially those who claim they are unmarried and therefore have no business or understanding or authority, spiritual or otherwise to counsel people on physical intimacy in a marriage.

And this is a Bible Discussion forum which you still did not use any Bible reference to back up what you say when scripture leaves no room for you to say that.

Ephesians 5:[SUP]2[/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

All uncleanness means all uncleanness. It is not arrogance when I read this from scripture with no exceptions whatsoever.

Just because you are married, that doesn't mean you cannot use scripture to reprove single people any more.

Jesus was not married. Think you can tell Him that He is arrogant? No? Scripture is His words; that is where I reprove from.

 

[Enow]

We speak of exceptions to the rule when there is a rule, but there is not one Bible verse prohibiting masturbation.

So are you now taking the position that masturbation is not a sin at all?

You really think masturbation has nothing to do with uncleanness as listed between fornication and lasciviousness which is sexual excessiveness as those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God?

Galatians 5:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,[SUP] 21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.[SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

So when I read "all" as referenced below...

Ephesians 5:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

How then can it not be named among the saints if it can be named among married saints by your understanding?

 

[Enow]

Self-mastrubation can be harmful to a marriage if one is more interested in self-mastrubation than physical intimacy with his/her spouse. I don't see any problem with mutual mastrubation between a husband and wife.

Can anyone not be tempted to take it one step further and masturbate without the spouse's knowledge if either one believes that mutual masturbation is okay? Where is the scripture to draw that line of distinction?

But it should be a problem with this reference.

Ephesians 5:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

How can uncleanness NOT be named among the saints if it can be named among married saints?

 

[BillG]

Do you have sleep paralysis ever? Happened a lot more when I was more stressed out with life, but occasionally it happens still.

I used to have it a lot.
Mine was I would wake with fear and paralysis. Trying to talk or scream out but couldn’t.
This happened with nightmares where I woke up thinking I was in hell.
My wife had to pray for me and over me.

 

[Enow]

James 1:13-16 give your self a break.

Dreams are not SIN.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.

How are you consciously carried away by your lust and enticed when you are asleep?

And yet some people say we can control our dreams. Other people say that a character is defined n what he does when no one is looking. Sinners, aren't we all?

If we have daily mental battles to resist temptations and ask for forgiveness and help not to do it again, then we should ask for forgiveness especially for our sinful dreams.

I know waking up, I am thinking something as I am waking up, and when I finally awoke, it is like, what the heck was I thinking that for?

So yes, I agree that there is some weirdness when it comes to dreams, but it should point out our ever present sinful state in why we need Him all the time for following Him.... even in our dreams. Since He dwells in us and knows every thought & intention of the heart, we can go before that throne of grace for forgiveness and even help not to dream such sinful dreams again as well as in how we walk with Him in our awaken state.

It is prudent not to dismiss it as if we have no need of forgiveness nor help from Him for when we sleep.

Psalm 19:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

 

[1ofthem]

Why all this talk about masturbation on a Christian Chat site? Call me old fashioned or whatever, but it just don't seem decent to me for men and women to be having this conversation together. I mean really what is the purpose of it? I'm not saying that this can't and don't need to be discussed, but for men and women to be discussing it together on a Christian site just seems odd and weird to me.

Sorry but I just don't think it is a good idea for men and women to be discussing this together unless their just looking for trouble...just saying

 

[Enow]

Do people think needs only need to be fulfilled after standing infront og a pastor?
If its like that lets say no more cake and pies until traditional marriage...no matter ur craving
Good grief some posts here make me wonder if ppl in stone hedge weren't a bit more understanding towards some peoples needs. Just my opinion tho

Proverbs 14:[SUP]12 [/SUP]There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

2 Timothy 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;[SUP] 15 [/SUP]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

It is better to ask Jesus at that throne of grace rather than rely on your opinion about things. Once you recognize sin with His help, then you can ask Him for help in following Him.

Can masturbation be not included in the sins listed below as uncleanness which is in between fornication and lasciviousness which is sexual excessiveness?

Can you see the big deal about this issue in verse 21 as underlined in the bold below that believers that do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Salvation is not at stake, but when believers do not depart from iniquity, they run the risk of being left behind at the pre trib rapture event as a castaway.

Galatians 5:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,[SUP] 21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 9:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.[SUP] 25 [/SUP]And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.[SUP]26 [/SUP]I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:[SUP]27 [/SUP]But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

So what we sow towards matters; the works of the flesh or the fruits of the Spirit below.
[SUP]
Galatians 5:22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.[SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

So when I read "all" as referenced below...

Ephesians 5:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Then masturbation cannot even be named among married saints.

Now for whatever the reason that you do not believe this, take heed of the warning below.

Galatians 6:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.[SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

2 Peter 2:[SUP]18 [/SUP]For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.[SUP] 19 [/SUP]While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.[SUP] 20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.[SUP]22 [/SUP]But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Romans 6:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?..............[SUP]19 [/SUP]I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Romans 12:1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.[SUP]2 [/SUP]And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I hope everybody reading this thread has seen your post to pray for you, sister.

I can understand why you seem to think that if married people can do it when separate, and can't even wait till they get home to be with teir spouse, as contended by married christians, how can married christians expect single christians not to do it?

So the scripture does not give any room for masturbation to be done even in marriage as every christian should be leaning on the Lord for help in bringing their body under subjection by casting down imagination and think on good things to avoid masturbation.