Reject Paul and you're no follower of Christ

[lil-rush]

If you're a full grown adult male, circumcision is hard. Adventists don't keep the Sabbath, they just think they do, they travel on church days and use electricity. Try keeping it the way the orthodox Jews do, not allowed to light a spark. Hardcore - now THAT's keeping the Sabbath. Food laws - yeah it's pretty hard to avoid anything in our society that has a bit of pork or ham in it, or find kosher foods conveniently.

every grocery store carries kosher food. Anything with a K or a U on the package is kosher. If you don't feel like going that route, you can make everything homemade.

Eating kosher is easy. Going out to restaurants and trying to eat kosher isn't so easy.

 

[lil-rush]

I'm really not sure how much clearer we can make it.

Yes, discuss away this topic until your heart is content. Just don't give any false teachings, or speak and heresy any you'll be just fine.
But do feel free, to discuss what you think, or even ask others why they believe what they do. Just do it in an objective manner.

It's that simple really.

** NOTE** This applies to everyone

If someone believes a "false" teaching, how would they know it is false? You can't logically tell a person "Don't come on here spreading false teachings" if the person is unaware that what the consider to be truth you consider to be false. Same goes for the heresy claim. That's like laying three shirts in front of a blind person and telling him he can't pick the red or green one. How would he know which is which? He can't see them!

 

[iraasuup]

If someone believes a "false" teaching, how would they know it is false? You can't logically tell a person "Don't come on here spreading false teachings" if the person is unaware that what the consider to be truth you consider to be false. Same goes for the heresy claim. That's like laying three shirts in front of a blind person and telling him he can't pick the red or green one. How would he know which is which? He can't see them!

Um, okay.

That question seems odd to me. I don't even know how to respond to that, because it's so left-field.

One would think that it's pretty obvious what is false and what isn't. There's this thing called discernement...

 

[loveallserveall]

Well if two people disagree, only one can be write and the other si wrong.

That's all you, cookie. I'm not touching it.

 

[iraasuup]

Its really simple, if it clearly and inherently goes against all scripture in God's word.

Then it's false isn't it? I mean if I came in here professing the real God to be 'the lizard king of utopia" and telling everyone that's the Messiah and they all need to convert to lizardism, well then yeah, it's pretty obvious it's false teaching eh?

 

[cookie39]

Credibility?

Are you kidding me?

You have one among you openly preaching a racist version of the gospel, the WORST possible perversion of the Good News of He who came so that ALL men in ALL nations could be brought into the fold of the nation of G-d.

And instead of making a thread to call THAT hateful crap out, you all come at me? THIS is worse to you, than teaching racism in the name of Jesus?

I could make a statement about credibility myself, but I think this thread is already likely enough to get heated, I'll keep it to myself.

However, since I'm posting again, I can answer the charge in the thread title in a single passage- Mark 10.

Messiah CLEARLY lays out what is required to have eternal life, and guess what? Believing in Paul is not in there.

Mark 10: 17-21 there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

what does it say at the end? TAKE UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLW ME THAT IS NOT IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS..... WHICH ARE NOT LAWS... THEY ARE COMMANDMENTS... which is not hard for no one to do in total... but the laws are... and what part of the Law does it say where a person have to sell everything and give to the poor? no where! Jesus was tring to show this man that if he trust in his riches he can not be saved? did Christ ask him did he not eat pork/ did he do his daily sacrifices? the waive offering? the meal offering? the sin offering? the burnt offering...ect..??? the commandments are not the same as the Laws, oricles and statutes God named in the old testaments.

for Jesus knew that he at that time was about to become the one and only sacrifice.
This man loved his money and was not going to give it up for nothing not even to the saving of his soul.

Mark 10: 22... And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

(23)..And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God.

you can not use this as proof; for we see that this man said that he did all the commandments since his youth and he was still not going to enter the kingdom of God cause he loved his riches and would not give them up to follow Jesus Christ.

(24)...It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Please keep the Word of God in its right contents.. it will bless you.

 

[loveallserveall]

I may be way off, but my parents taught me growing up that nothing easy was worth having.

Abraham was a grown man. And HE didn't have the benefit of having this concept of circumcision. God had to explain it to him... he might have gone "You want to do WHAT?! and you want me to do that to all my servants, too?!" hehe but he didn't, you know?

Actually, a lot of these rules you're referring to don't come from the Bible, that's what Jews call oral tradition, which is not the same as a biblical mandate. Adventists aren't trying to be Orthodox Jews, they're just trying to do what the Bible says, and like I say THAT part doesn't really seem that hard. I've been to an adventist picnic. For not eating meat, them cats can COOOOOK!

If you're a full grown adult male, circumcision is hard. Adventists don't keep the Sabbath, they just think they do, they travel on church days and use electricity. Try keeping it the way the orthodox Jews do, not allowed to light a spark. Hardcore - now THAT's keeping the Sabbath. Food laws - yeah it's pretty hard to avoid anything in our society that has a bit of pork or ham in it, or find kosher foods conveniently.