Repentance the missing message.

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Introduction: The Missing Message
In spite of the fact that both the Old and the New Testaments make it very plain that repentance is an indispensable part of salvation, there are two very disturbing trends in the modern church.
Either repentance is largely being ignored, with belief alone being touted as the basis of salvation or the meaning of repentance has either been so watered down or inaccurately explained that it no longer bears any resemblance to Biblical repentance.
Which, of course, leads to the crucial question of how the Bible defines repentance...

Repentance in The Old Testament
Israel The Chosen Nation?
How often does one hear Israel called 'The chosen nation' which title makes it seem that God showed extreme partiality when he singled them out from among all the nations of the earth. However, this is not exactly true.
It is true that the Old Testament was chiefly concerned with Israel. However not because they were preferred above all other nations in the world. but because they were the descendants of one particular man - Abraham. God made a covenant with a single man chosen to be the father of a new nation that was to have special significance. Abraham was told,
  • And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." (Genesis 12:2-3 NASB)
Please note that God could have chosen anyone he wanted to. While we have no idea whether He called anyone else who did not respond, what we do know is how Abraham responded to God's call. He obeyed God, left the pagan world epitomized by Ur, and traveled to Caanan to found God's kingdom. The name "Israel" only came into existence when God changed Abraham's grandson Jacob's name to Israel.
However, I digress.
Not only was the Messiah to be born of Abraham's descendants, but they alone had the privilege of being the keepers of His law with the responsibility to preserve it for posterity. One has to believe that they meant well when they vowed to keep His law, but the fact is that they failed to do so over and over again. Therefore, it is little wonder that the calls to repentance in the Old Testament were a call to return to God and keep His commandments.
Shûb: The Hebrew word shûb occurs almost 1300 times in the Old Testament. As the following examples demonstrate, it literally means to return or turn back
  • By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return (Heb. shûb) to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return (Heb. shûb)." (Genesis 3:19 NASB)
    until the Lord gives your brothers rest, as He gives you, and they also possess the land which the Lord your God is giving them. Then you shall return (Heb. shûb) to your own land, and possess that which Moses the servant of the Lord gave you beyond the Jordan toward the sunrise." (Joshua 1:15 NASB)
    Then he stretched himself upon the child three times, and called to the Lord and said, "O Lord my God, I pray You, let this child's life return (Heb. shûb) to him." (1 Kings 17:21 NASB)
Over and over again the prophets pleaded with the people to return (shûb) to God...
  • Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return (Heb. shûb) to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. (Isaiah 55:7 NASB)
    If you will return (Heb. shûb) , O Israel," declares the Lord, "Then you should return (Heb. shûb) to Me. And if you will put away your detested things from My presence, And will not waver, (Jeremiah 4:1 NASB)
    Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord God, "Repent (Heb. shûb) and turn (Heb. shûb) away from your idols and turn (Heb. shûb) your faces away from all your abominations. (Ezekiel 14:6 NASB)
    Yet even now," declares the Lord, "Return (Heb. shûb) to Me with all your heart, And with fasting, weeping and mourning; (Joel 2:12 NASB)
    From the days of your fathers you have turned aside from My statutes and have not kept them. Return (Heb. shûb) to Me, and I will return to you," says the Lord of hosts... (Malachi 3:7 NASB)
And warned them of the dire consequences of not doing so.
  • If a man does not repent, He will sharpen His sword; He has bent His bow and made it ready. (Psalms 7:12 NASB)
    "I will winnow them with a winnowing fork At the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy My people; They did not repent of their ways." (Jeremiah 15:7 NASB)
    Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel? "For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord God. "Therefore, repent and live." (Ezekiel 18:31-32 NASB)
    'Perhaps they will listen and everyone will turn from his evil way, that I may repent of the calamity which I am planning to do to them because of the evil of their deeds.' "And you will say to them, 'Thus says the Lord, "If you will not listen to Me, to walk in My law which I have set before you, to listen to the words of My servants the prophets, whom I have been sending to you again and again, but you have not listened; then I will make this house like Shiloh, and this city I will make a curse to all the nations of the earth."'" (Jeremiah 26:3-6 NASB)
Note: What may be confusing to some is the fact that the Bible also talks of God "repenting" - largely translated from the Hebrew word nâcham. However, nâcham carries several shades of meaning. See Footnote I

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preston39

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Introduction: The Missing Message
In spite of the fact that both the Old and the New Testaments make it very plain that repentance is an indispensable part of salvation, there are two very disturbing trends in the modern church.
Either repentance is largely being ignored, with belief alone being touted as the basis of salvation or the meaning of repentance has either been so watered down or inaccurately explained that it no longer bears any resemblance to Biblical repentance.
Which, of course, leads to the crucial question of how the Bible defines repentance...

Repentance in The Old Testament
Israel The Chosen Nation?
How often does one hear Israel called 'The chosen nation' which title makes it seem that God showed extreme partiality when he singled them out from among all the nations of the earth. However, this is not exactly true.
It is true that the Old Testament was chiefly concerned with Israel. However not because they were preferred above all other nations in the world. but because they were the descendants of one particular man - Abraham. God made a covenant with a single man chosen to be the father of a new nation that was to have special significance. Abraham was told,
  • And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." (Genesis 12:2-3 NASB)
Please note that God could have chosen anyone he wanted to. While we have no idea whether He called anyone else who did not respond, what we do know is how Abraham responded to God's call. He obeyed God, left the pagan world epitomized by Ur, and traveled to Caanan to found God's kingdom. The name "Israel" only came into existence when God changed Abraham's grandson Jacob's name to Israel.
However, I digress.
Not only was the Messiah to be born of Abraham's descendants, but they alone had the privilege of being the keepers of His law with the responsibility to preserve it for posterity. One has to believe that they meant well when they vowed to keep His law, but the fact is that they failed to do so over and over again. Therefore, it is little wonder that the calls to repentance in the Old Testament were a call to return to God and keep His commandments.
Shûb: The Hebrew word shûb occurs almost 1300 times in the Old Testament. As the following examples demonstrate, it literally means to return or turn back
  • By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return (Heb. shûb) to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return (Heb. shûb)." (Genesis 3:19 NASB)
    until the Lord gives your brothers rest, as He gives you, and they also possess the land which the Lord your God is giving them. Then you shall return (Heb. shûb) to your own land, and possess that which Moses the servant of the Lord gave you beyond the Jordan toward the sunrise." (Joshua 1:15 NASB)
    Then he stretched himself upon the child three times, and called to the Lord and said, "O Lord my God, I pray You, let this child's life return (Heb. shûb) to him." (1 Kings 17:21 NASB)
Over and over again the prophets pleaded with the people to return (shûb) to God...
  • Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return (Heb. shûb) to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. (Isaiah 55:7 NASB)
    If you will return (Heb. shûb) , O Israel," declares the Lord, "Then you should return (Heb. shûb) to Me. And if you will put away your detested things from My presence, And will not waver, (Jeremiah 4:1 NASB)
    Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord God, "Repent (Heb. shûb) and turn (Heb. shûb) away from your idols and turn (Heb. shûb) your faces away from all your abominations. (Ezekiel 14:6 NASB)
    Yet even now," declares the Lord, "Return (Heb. shûb) to Me with all your heart, And with fasting, weeping and mourning; (Joel 2:12 NASB)
    From the days of your fathers you have turned aside from My statutes and have not kept them. Return (Heb. shûb) to Me, and I will return to you," says the Lord of hosts... (Malachi 3:7 NASB)
And warned them of the dire consequences of not doing so.
  • If a man does not repent, He will sharpen His sword; He has bent His bow and made it ready. (Psalms 7:12 NASB)
    "I will winnow them with a winnowing fork At the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy My people; They did not repent of their ways." (Jeremiah 15:7 NASB)
    Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel? "For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord God. "Therefore, repent and live." (Ezekiel 18:31-32 NASB)
    'Perhaps they will listen and everyone will turn from his evil way, that I may repent of the calamity which I am planning to do to them because of the evil of their deeds.' "And you will say to them, 'Thus says the Lord, "If you will not listen to Me, to walk in My law which I have set before you, to listen to the words of My servants the prophets, whom I have been sending to you again and again, but you have not listened; then I will make this house like Shiloh, and this city I will make a curse to all the nations of the earth."'" (Jeremiah 26:3-6 NASB)
Note: What may be confusing to some is the fact that the Bible also talks of God "repenting" - largely translated from the Hebrew word nâcham. However, nâcham carries several shades of meaning. See Footnote I

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C...,

There are several new age religion re-interpretations of scriptures primarily since the 1960's....a time of great moral and social upheaval. All of them directly effecting our righteous status. Fitting end time prophecy of...." great deceptions".
Among them are;
Baptism not necessary
Repentance is not required...Christ did it for us.
OSAS
Super grace. (we Christians have to do nothing)
2nd chance...( upon judgement if we are short in our standing G-d will give us a further chance to make up). Akin to the old RCC teaching of purgatory.
Belief that we are ....saved ...while on this earth although acknowledging that G-d must pass final judgement on our qualifying for eternal salvation. (a mix up with..... born again...... living righteously). Makes no sense.
etc.
Be careful.......one can be sucked in so fast your head will swim...not in the right direction...I might stress.

We can see here on this forum how many buy into such nonsense teachings.
 
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Repentance like every first creative work is a work of God workings in us. No man can turn to repent or turn to believe God if God does not first give them ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches . It is the work of God that we can believe Him, not seen and not of our own selves, as if his kingdom did come by observation and we did wrestle against flesh and blood.. But again him who gives us His unseen spiritual understanding causes us to repent .

Cause and effect or work of faith as a labor of love.

God causing His Spirit yoked with the believer to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness

If the Holy Spirit does not do its first work of giving us the faith to believe it is God we are hearing. Then we will not turn to hear no reason to change our mind . Repentance is not attributed to us. In that way there would be nothing to turn to .

Revelation 2:2-7 King James Version (KJV)Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
 

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Introduction: The Missing Message
In spite of the fact that both the Old and the New Testaments make it very plain that repentance is an indispensable part of salvation, there are two very disturbing trends in the modern church.
Either repentance is largely being ignored, with belief alone being touted as the basis of salvation or the meaning of repentance has either been so watered down or inaccurately explained that it no longer bears any resemblance to Biblical repentance.
Which, of course, leads to the crucial question of how the Bible defines repentance..
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Whoever wrote this, and you yourself have not been paying attention to the Threads on this Forum............

thus......your thread is moot at best.........

this has been the Topic of numerous Threads here............so...........you b a wee bit late to the party..........but, pfish on bro, pfish on!
 

Churinga

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Repentance like every first creative work is a work of God workings in us. No man can turn to repent or turn to believe God if God does not first give them ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches . It is the work of God that we can believe Him, not seen and not of our own selves, as if his kingdom did come by observation and we did wrestle against flesh and blood.. But again him who gives us His unseen spiritual understanding causes us to repent .

Cause and effect or work of faith as a labor of love.

God causing His Spirit yoked with the believer to both will and do His good pleasure as a imputed righteousness

If the Holy Spirit does not do its first work of giving us the faith to believe it is God we are hearing. Then we will not turn to hear no reason to change our mind . Repentance is not attributed to us. In that way there would be nothing to turn to .

Revelation 2:2-7 King James Version (KJV)Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
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Churinga

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C...,

There are several new age religion re-interpretations of scriptures primarily since the 1960's....a time of great moral and social upheaval. All of them directly effecting our righteous status. Fitting end time prophecy of...." great deceptions".
Among them are;
Baptism not necessary
Repentance is not required...Christ did it for us.
OSAS
Super grace. (we Christians have to do nothing)
2nd chance...( upon judgement if we are short in our standing G-d will give us a further chance to make up). Akin to the old RCC teaching of purgatory.
Belief that we are ....saved ...while on this earth although acknowledging that G-d must pass final judgement on our qualifying for eternal salvation. (a mix up with..... born again...... living righteously). Makes no sense.
etc.
Be careful.......one can be sucked in so fast your head will swim...not in the right direction...I might stress.

We can see here on this forum how many buy into such nonsense teachings.
We have been forewarned about what will happen and need to be faithful and alert.
 

Churinga

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Adam.. Physical or Spiritual Death?
Ample Biblical evidence has been presented refuting the false doctrine that Adam's sin was somehow passed down to all his descendants, causing humanity to be totally depraved. As shown above, numerous Bible verses, in plain literal language, teach that sin is not inherited, but that human sinfulness commences from "youth", when the child is old enough to be able to choose between evil and good...
However Romans 5:12 does say [Emphasis Added]
  • Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned
Many have come to the conclusion that Paul had to be talking about a "spiritual death" in this passage, primarily because in Genesis: 2:17, God tells Adam that in the day he eats of the forbidden fruit he will "surely die". However, as we well know, both Adam and Eve did eat of the tree, but did not physically die for quite a while, going on to have several sons. While we do not know how old Eve was when she died, Adam lived to the ripe old age of 930 [Genesis: 5:5]. Therefore, as the argument usually goes, since Adam's physical death does not occur "in the day" that he sinned, God must have been speaking of a spiritual death, or a separation from Him. The first evidence of this "spiritual death", or broken fellowship with God, is said to be when Adam and Eve "hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God" in the garden.
However is this accurate? Did Adam die spiritually or physically? And what are we to make of the fact that Adam certainly did not die "in the day" he ate of the forbidden fruit? The problem is that most translations have Genesis: 2:17 reading [Emphasis Added]
  • but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely (or certainly) die.
That is, most translations but one... Young's literal translation renders the verse so...
  • and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it-- dying thou dost die.' [YLT]
This throws a whole new slant on the idea that Adam was supposed to die on the day that he ate of the Tree. What the literal translation of the verse is saying is that God told Adam that if he ate of the fruit he would begin the process of physically dying, until he finally and completely died. Due to his transgression Adam began this process as an adult (we are not told how long he lived in the garden), but for the rest of mankind it starts much earlier. In a sense, given the mortal nature of humans, the process of dying starts at birth. Every moment of man's life may be considered a step towards that inevitable end .. death.
Noting that there is no indication in the opening chapters of Genesis that Adam was created immortal, one has to ask the all important question.... What changed in Adam and Eve's circumstances that caused them to begin the process of dying?
The answer is relatively simple.
In view of their sin of eating from the Tree of Good and Evil, God did not want them to also partake of the Tree of Life, and live for ever (Genesis: 3:22), therefore He banished them from the garden (Genesis: 3:23). They were now separated from the only resource that would enable them to stave off physical death ... The Tree of Life. In fact an angel (or angels) with a flaming sword stood guard at the entrance to the garden thus ensuring that they could not get back in. The Tree of Life was henceforth denied to all humanity, and without access to this life giving resource, we too are doomed to physical death. This was Adam's Legacy.
However, all is not lost. Every single member of the human race has hope in Christ who is life. Salvation and the New Birth restores us to what we once lost. And whether the Tree of Life in the age to come is literal or figurative, the principal is the same in the three reference to said tree in the book of Revelation... We once more have access to everlasting life.
  • He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God. [Revelation 2:7]
    in the midst of the street thereof. And on this side of the river and on that was the tree of life, bearing twelve manner offruits, yielding its fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. [Revelation 22:2]
    Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and my enter in by the gates into the city. [Revelation 22:14]
Two verses commonly quoted to show a reversal of this "Spiritual Death" are Ephesians 2:5 and Colossians 2:13 . Note that neither verse actually says "spiritual death" which has to be assumed...
  • "even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved)" [Ephesians 2:5]
    And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say, did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses; [Colossians 2:13]

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Introduction: The Missing Message
In spite of the fact that both the Old and the New Testaments make it very plain that repentance is an indispensable part of salvation, there are two very disturbing trends in the modern church.
Either repentance is largely being ignored, with belief alone being touted as the basis of salvation or the meaning of repentance has either been so watered down or inaccurately explained that it no longer bears any resemblance to Biblical repentance.
Which, of course, leads to the crucial question of how the Bible defines repentance...

Repentance in The Old Testament
Israel The Chosen Nation?
How often does one hear Israel called 'The chosen nation' which title makes it seem that God showed extreme partiality when he singled them out from among all the nations of the earth. However, this is not exactly true.
It is true that the Old Testament was chiefly concerned with Israel. However not because they were preferred above all other nations in the world. but because they were the descendants of one particular man - Abraham. God made a covenant with a single man chosen to be the father of a new nation that was to have special significance. Abraham was told,
  • And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed." (Genesis 12:2-3 NASB)
Please note that God could have chosen anyone he wanted to. While we have no idea whether He called anyone else who did not respond, what we do know is how Abraham responded to God's call. He obeyed God, left the pagan world epitomized by Ur, and traveled to Caanan to found God's kingdom. The name "Israel" only came into existence when God changed Abraham's grandson Jacob's name to Israel.
However, I digress.
Not only was the Messiah to be born of Abraham's descendants, but they alone had the privilege of being the keepers of His law with the responsibility to preserve it for posterity. One has to believe that they meant well when they vowed to keep His law, but the fact is that they failed to do so over and over again. Therefore, it is little wonder that the calls to repentance in the Old Testament were a call to return to God and keep His commandments.
Shûb: The Hebrew word shûb occurs almost 1300 times in the Old Testament. As the following examples demonstrate, it literally means to return or turn back
  • By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return (Heb. shûb) to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return (Heb. shûb)." (Genesis 3:19 NASB)
    until the Lord gives your brothers rest, as He gives you, and they also possess the land which the Lord your God is giving them. Then you shall return (Heb. shûb) to your own land, and possess that which Moses the servant of the Lord gave you beyond the Jordan toward the sunrise." (Joshua 1:15 NASB)
    Then he stretched himself upon the child three times, and called to the Lord and said, "O Lord my God, I pray You, let this child's life return (Heb. shûb) to him." (1 Kings 17:21 NASB)
Over and over again the prophets pleaded with the people to return (shûb) to God...
  • Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return (Heb. shûb) to the Lord, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. (Isaiah 55:7 NASB)
    If you will return (Heb. shûb) , O Israel," declares the Lord, "Then you should return (Heb. shûb) to Me. And if you will put away your detested things from My presence, And will not waver, (Jeremiah 4:1 NASB)
    Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'Thus says the Lord God, "Repent (Heb. shûb) and turn (Heb. shûb) away from your idols and turn (Heb. shûb) your faces away from all your abominations. (Ezekiel 14:6 NASB)
    Yet even now," declares the Lord, "Return (Heb. shûb) to Me with all your heart, And with fasting, weeping and mourning; (Joel 2:12 NASB)
    From the days of your fathers you have turned aside from My statutes and have not kept them. Return (Heb. shûb) to Me, and I will return to you," says the Lord of hosts... (Malachi 3:7 NASB)
And warned them of the dire consequences of not doing so.
  • If a man does not repent, He will sharpen His sword; He has bent His bow and made it ready. (Psalms 7:12 NASB)
    "I will winnow them with a winnowing fork At the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy My people; They did not repent of their ways." (Jeremiah 15:7 NASB)
    Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel? "For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord God. "Therefore, repent and live." (Ezekiel 18:31-32 NASB)
    'Perhaps they will listen and everyone will turn from his evil way, that I may repent of the calamity which I am planning to do to them because of the evil of their deeds.' "And you will say to them, 'Thus says the Lord, "If you will not listen to Me, to walk in My law which I have set before you, to listen to the words of My servants the prophets, whom I have been sending to you again and again, but you have not listened; then I will make this house like Shiloh, and this city I will make a curse to all the nations of the earth."'" (Jeremiah 26:3-6 NASB)
Note: What may be confusing to some is the fact that the Bible also talks of God "repenting" - largely translated from the Hebrew word nâcham. However, nâcham carries several shades of meaning. See Footnote I

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Because you're expected to implement 2 Timothy 2:15.
John 20:29-31 says,

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

31 But these are written, [in order] that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

...and 21:24-25,

24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

...and 1 John 5:10,

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
 

Churinga

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Repentance in The New Testament
The word "grace" simply means an unmerited favor freely given by one who was not bound, in any way, to do so. However, in modern Christianity "grace" has become a very elastic term.
Numerous Old Testament verses spoke of the consequences of not repenting or returning to God yet, some very influential 'Free Grace' teachers in the modern church would have us believe that everything changed under the New Covenant including repentance that was apparently, totally and completely done away with..
I am certainly not sure how exactly they also claim that God is unchanging.
The long, complicated and very tiresome arguments that repentance was part of the Old Testament Law that does not apply to New Testament believers do not explain why the words'repent' and 'repentance' occur over fifty times in the New Testaments. Neither do they explain why Jesus not only launched His ministry with a call to repentance, but also said that He had come to call sinners to repentance. And if you look at how the Bible describes sin, that includes all of us.
  • From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent (Gk. metanoeo), for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 4:17 NASB)
    I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance (Gk. metanoia) (Matthew 9:13).
(I have long suspected that anything in the Bible that the modern Christian finds too demanding or restricting is often conveniently ignored with the excuse that he or she is under grace.)
The much misunderstood phrase "faith alone" is usually taken to mean that nothing else is necessary for salvation. However the word alonemeans that it is the only human act that God responds to. What it doesn't mean is that faith is the sole trait that exists in the believer. Certainly we can have simple faith or trust in something or someone (doctors, parents etc.), however, by it's very nature Biblical faith brings with it several other qualities without which it wouldn't be Biblical faith.
It is an entire package that encapsulates several different but related concepts. It sounds complicated but is, in reality very simple to understand. That is if we would start taking the Bible at face value and stop mucking about trying to prove preconceived theories with intricate and mind boggling arguments.
Metanoeo
The Greek metanoeo that has been rendered repent in most English translations may be one of the worst translated words in the New Testament. Unfortunately, it may have been used because there is no single English word that accurately conveys the precise meaning of the Greek metanoeo. The English word 'repent' (derived from the Latin repoenitet) means to feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing - to be self-reproachful or contrite for past conduct.
This definition does not convey the full extent of metanoeo - a combination of the Greek meta and noieo.
  • meta: In Greek the prefix meta has considerably less esoteric meaning than in English. in fact it is simply equivalent to the Latin prefix post- . The Online Etymology Dictionary says meta is a prefix meaning 1. 'after, behind,' 2. 'changed, altered,' 3. 'higher, beyond,'
    noieo: means to exercise the mind, to comprehend, heed, consider, perceive. It is derived from the noun nous; which means the mind or understanding. t
In other words, far more than feeling remorse, metanoeo means a "change of mind." It can perhaps be defined by a 'paradigm shift' or change from one way of thinking to another - when the usual way of thinking about or doing something is replaced by a new and different way.
Sorrow and repentance are not the same. Sorrow describes a feeling, but repentance describes the change in mind and behavior that takes place. One can feel sorry for wrongdoing without necessarily changing ones attitude towards the wrongdoing. The New Testament instructions "to repent" is not a call to be sorry, but a call to completely change our way of thinking and behaving.
In 2 Corinthians 7:9 Paul clearly differentiated between sorrow and repentance
  • I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. (NASB)
In other words, the Corinthians felt so bad for what they had done that they completely changed their conduct and attitude. Contrast this with Judas whose bitter sorrow for betraying Christ resulted not in a changed life, but in suicide.
Paul put it very well when he said a total transformation has to effected by the renewing of your mind.
  • And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. (Romans 12:2 NASB)
So when John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying, "Repent (Gk. metanoia), for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." (Matthew 3:1-2), he was not calling on the people merely to be sorry for their wrong doing - he was calling on them to think differently - to change their mental attitudes. He had the same message as the Old Testament prophets who over and over again warned the people in no uncertain terms to "turn back" to God in every way.
John was closely followed by others with the same message....
epistrepho
As the following example shows, the Greek word epistrepho literally means to turn one's self about - or to turn back
  • "Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. "Then it says, 'I will return (Gk. epistrepho) to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. (Matthew 12:43-44 NASB)
    Then I turned (Gk.epistrepho) to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned (Gk.epistrepho) I saw seven golden lamp stands; (Revelation 1:12 NASB)
This is the word that God used when He commissioned Paul as ambassador to the Gentiles so that they might turn from light to darkness and receive forgiveness of sins.
But get up and stand on your feet; for this purpose I have appeared to you, to appoint you a minister and a witness not only to the things which you have seen, but also to the things in which I will appear to you; rescuing you from the Jewish people and from the Gentiles, to whom I am sending you, to open their eyes so that they may turn (Gk. epistrepho) from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.' (Acts 26:16-18 NASB)
The early apostles, walking in the footsteps of the OT prophets, urged the Jews to return to God. Peter told the men of Israel...
  • "Therefore repent (Gk. metanoeo) and return (Gk. epistrepho), so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19 NASB)
    For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned (Gk. epistrepho) to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls. (1 Peter 2:25 NASB)
However, while sorrow for your wrongdoing and a change in conduct is wonderful, it means absolutely nothing in the long term if you don't have faith in Christ. There is no salvation without forgiveness for sin, and there is no forgiveness for sin without Christ.
  • "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:15 NASB)
    how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly and from house to house, solemnly testifying to both Jews and Greeks of repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts 20:20-21 NASB)
 
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John 20:29-31 says,

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

31 But these are written, [in order] that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

...and 21:24-25,

24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

...and 1 John 5:10,

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Yep. But Scripture says much more. What does 2 Timothy 2:15 say?
 

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Yep. But Scripture says much more. What does 2 Timothy 2:15 say?
All I'm asking is, why is "repent" (and/or "return") missing from the entire Book of [what we call] John, since it is indeed a very important book about certain important truths regarding salvation.

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All I'm asking is, why is "repent" (and/or "return") missing from the entire Book of [what we call] John, since it is indeed a very important book about certain important truths regarding salvation.
And I answered you. Salvation isn't mere "believe-ism."
 

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Wow. That website has a LOT of false doctrine in it...... Oy vey!
 

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The Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) you see as defined in the Strongs #3340, 3341: to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. After thought, change of mind. Repentance basically means a "change of mind" and the context must determine what is involved in this change of mind. Where salvation is in view, repentance actually precedes saving faith in Christ and is not a totally separate act from faith. It is actually the same coin with two sides. Repentance is on one side, what you change your mind about and faith in Christ is on the positive side, the new direction of this change of mind. *Repentance and faith are two sides of the same experience of receiving Christ through faith. (Acts 3:19; 11:17,18; 20:21; 26:18)

In the context of Luke 13:3, Jesus challenged the people's notion that they were morally superior to those who suffered in such catastrophes. He called all to repent or perish. For some people though, prior to coming to the end result of the new direction of this change of mind in repentance (saving faith in Christ), they must change their minds about other specific things in order to get there. Repentance, metanoia, focuses on changing one's mind about his previous concept of God (as in Acts 17:30) and disbelief in God or false beliefs (polytheism and idolatry) about God (1 Thessalonians 1:9). On the other hand, this change of mind, focuses on the new direction that change must ultimately take, namely, trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

Certain people misunderstand the term "repentance" to simply mean "turn from all sin" or "completely stop sinning." That is not the Biblical definition of repentance. In the Bible, the word "repent" means to "change your mind." The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions. Acts 26:20 declares, "I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." This is the fruit of repentance (Matthew 3:8), not the essence of repentance (change of mind). Certain people confuse the "fruit of repentance" with the "essence of repentance" (and also do the same thing with faith) and end up teaching salvation by works.

I have heard certain people say, "If you want to be saved, repent of your sins, turn from your sins." If turning from your sins means to stop sinning, then people can only be saved if they stop sinning. And in that case, it is unlikely that anyone will be saved, since we don't know anyone who has ever "completely stopped sinning." (1 John 1:8-2:1).