Respecting the law

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do you respect the law

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  • no

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do you respect the law

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How does a person answer this.I respect It as being a part of the history of those who were under law.Its a good thing to know the old testament and how It correlates with the new testament.:)

But If a person Is trying to function under law and they break the law do they respect the law?Remember though GOD requires perfection so then If a law Is broken can a person still respect the law and break the law?

Under the new covenant GOD had mercy even If we break the law because Now Its not about keeping the law but Its about faith.

So then I don’t respect the law as far as trying to keep It but I respect It as part of the origin of Christianity.
 
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The law says to do not blas-pheme the holy spirit. I think from this it is clear that we should obey the law,

Seeing that all sin is sin then all law is law wouldnt you think ?. sin means sin and law means law
JESUS said all manner of blasphemy will be forgiven but blasphemy of the Holy Spirit would not be forgiven,I thought that was new testament scripture.

Where In the Old Testament does It say not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit?
 

de-emerald

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@Pilgrimshope

have a look at this scripture

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Does this scripture say that moses created law ?
 

de-emerald

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No; you made oblique accusations directed at nobody in particular. It's somewhat like using a shotgun. You may hit your target, but you'll hit a lot of other things too.
your the one making accusations and pushing for trouble.


When I am responding to your post, I am addressing you. If you don't like being addressed directly, you're in the wrong forum. ;)[/QUOTE]another accusation, the goodness of God leads a person to repentance plus the lord says he doesnt like the arrogrant as well.
i respect these laws do you ?
 

de-emerald

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I wanna know what that's about
why do you want to know ?. is it so you can carry on to single me out just like you have done allready ?.

how many time have you and others tried to single me out now ? have you and others decided to hate me because i asked a question can a christian become possessed.

carry on to single me out if you want im beyond being offended here anymore.
 

Dino246

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why do you want to know ?. is it so you can carry on to single me out just like you have done allready ?.

how many time have you and others tried to single me out now ? have you and others decided to hate me because i asked a question can a christian become possessed.

carry on to single me out if you want im beyond being offended here anymore.
If you are singled out, it is by your own words, not those of others. Despite your claims to the contrary, your responses suggest that you are indeed offended.

Given that, I'm wondering how all this "law" is going to help you.
 

de-emerald

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If you are singled out, it is by your own words, not those of others. Despite your claims to the contrary, your responses suggest that you are indeed offended.

Given that, I'm wondering how all this "law" is going to help you.
well all i can say is nobody is perfect, do you respect that law ?

How diffacult is it to say whether you respect the law or not. its just an honest question.

its not a trick question. this is a christian forum so it shouldnt be diffacult to know the laws im asking to be respected is the the holy laws of our messiah Jesus.

you only have to anwser yes or no.

I really have no idea why none of you have answered straight away. you either do respect the laws of God or you dont. which is it. im seariously thinking of going elsewhere.
 

Dino246

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well all i can say is nobody is perfect, do you respect that law ?

How diffacult is it to say whether you respect the law or not. its just an honest question.

its not a trick question. this is a christian forum so it shouldnt be diffacult to know the laws im asking to be respected is the the holy laws of our messiah Jesus.

you only have to anwser yes or no.

I really have no idea why none of you have answered straight away. you either do respect the laws of God or you dont. which is it. im seariously thinking of going elsewhere.
You're welcome to go or stay... whichever you choose. Your continued presence doesn't obligate anyone to answer your question. If you are upset because nobody has answered it, your skin probably isn't thick enough.

It's not an honest question, by the way, it's a leading question, because "law" means something different to you than it does to most people here. So, when you ask, "Do you respect the law?" you mean one thing, and most others read something quite different.

Here's a suggestion: read through Romans, Galatians and Hebrews, and see how "law" is used there. See how the writers argue about the relationship of the Christian to "law".

One more thing: "Nobody is perfect" is not a law.
 

Mem

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I respect the law as much as a teacher, that can no longer flunk me or hold me back from advancing to a higher grade. I now am under the Master Teacher,
 

TMS

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do you respect the law

So then I don’t respect the law as far as trying to keep It but I respect It as part of the origin of Christianity.
this is were people have it mixed up.
The law does not make us perfect, and we can never keep the law to be good enough, there will be no boasting in heaven that we did it ourselves.
But the law (10 commandments) is the standard of righteousness (sinlessness). when written on the heart the way God designed we become more and more Christlike in character. If we say it does not apply today the standard of sin is taken away and we have no need of repentance.

when you sin, what defines it as sin?
 

TMS

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Many affirm that Christ had abolished the moral law, and that Christians are therefore under no obligation to observe it; that a believer is freed from the “bondage of good works.”
Others that believe “they cannot fall from grace or forfeit the divine favour,” arrive at the still more hideous conclusion that “the wicked actions they commit are not really sinful, or considered as instances of the violation of the divine law, and that consequently they have no occasion either to confess their sins or to repent and turn from their sin. Therefore, they declared that even one of the vilest of sins is not a sin in the sight of God, it is believed that they cannot do anything which is either displeasing to God or prohibited by the law.”

---dangerous ground.



it is the moral law that points out my sin so i turn to Jesus for my salvation.
 

TMS

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I respect the law as much as a teacher, that can no longer flunk me or hold me back from advancing to a higher grade. I now am under the Master Teacher,
If the master teacher teaches the same moral law, can you transgress the law as much as you want to and still go to Heaven?
Can you be a habitual liar and murderer and continually take the Lords name in vain and still walk through the gates of heaven without any need of repentance.
 

Mem

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If the master teacher teaches the same moral law, can you transgress the law as much as you want to and still go to Heaven?

Can you be a habitual liar and murderer and continually take the Lords name in vain and still walk through the gates of heaven without any need of repentance.

I'm hesitant to entertain hypothetical scenarios but, if the Master subverts the (same?) moral law so that we might obtain a higher, and perhaps even highest, morality...but you insist on remaining under the same law He subverted, are you not then one whom takes the Lord's Name in vain?
 
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this is were people have it mixed up.
The law does not make us perfect, and we can never keep the law to be good enough, there will be no boasting in heaven that we did it ourselves.
But the law (10 commandments) is the standard of righteousness (sinlessness). when written on the heart the way God designed we become more and more Christlike in character. If we say it does not apply today the standard of sin is taken away and we have no need of repentance.

when you sin, what defines it as sin?
I will say the transgression of GODs perfect standard of righteousness (law) defines what sin Is for all and that’s why a person has to repent but once they repent the Issue Is no longer about sin but the Issue then Is about renewing the mind to the new creation the person has become.
 

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The law says to do not blas-pheme the holy spirit. I think from this it is clear that we should obey the law,

Seeing that all sin is sin then all law is law wouldnt you think ?. sin means sin and law means law

as a man thinketh -- so he is

Christ as the perfect law keeper/perfect man had respect to every law that pertained to Him and others around Him, His environment and God -- physically -- and spiritually

you forgot: (3) maybe (4) i don't know (5) sometimes (6) praying about it (7) working on it, ect (8) alnost there - Jesus lives at my house! :) :D
 

Gideon300

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Firstly the law does not give you eternal life only God does, so please lets not hear from law pushers, who push there law and post and enforce there laws to prove the law does not save you. and then call other people law pushers. so please lets be clear the law does not give you eternal salvation.

Let us talk about the holy laws that help us to overcome being in fear of breaking the law.

Seacondly when we talk about the law it should be understoood that breaking the law is something we should not do. Most christians will say that blasphemy of the holy spirit will not be forgiven.

The law says to do not blas-pheme the holy spirit. I think from this it is clear that we should obey the law,

Seeing that all sin is sin then all law is law wouldnt you think ?. sin means sin and law means law
The Law says nothing about blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Lord Jesus said that to those who kept the law with the utmost zeal.

The problem with the Law is that it is written on stone. No one can have a relationship with a rock. God's intent, if you look into it, was that Israel should have a relationship with Him. The people were terrified and refused. They made Moses their representative. So Israel came under the rule of Law instead of a relationship. What marriage would survive a regimented set of rules? Breakfast at 6.00 am, no matter what? Lunch at 1.00 pm no matter what the circumstances? That's what the Law is like. You cannot appeal to the mercy of a stone.

This was God's deliberate choice. He need not have given the Law. But there was a serious purpose, and that was to bring us to Christ. Christ is the fulfillment of the law for those who believe. He gives us instructions, but He also is the power to obey. All the Law did was expose the pride and rebellion of the human heart. Christ came to give us a new heart, new life only found in Him. So the law achieves its purpose and is no longer required. We now can live by the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. That is abundant life. The Law is a shadow. Those who live by the law are living in shadows. I prefer the light.
 

Gideon300

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All of the New Testament is in the Old. I refer only to the two books named by man,.

The Cross is in the Psalmes and Jesus Yeshua is throughout the law, the Prophets and the Writings. How else can anyone explain that learning from the writings of the Old Testament for over two hundred years wa s sufficient for the first believers of Jesus Yeshua?
Not true. Most of the epistles were written prior to the destruction of the Temple around AD70, John wrote Revelation around AD95. Paul claimed that what he preached was the word of God. Either he was the worst of liars or he was telling the truth. There is no in between.
 

de-emerald

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You're welcome to go or stay... whichever you choose. Your continued presence doesn't obligate anyone to answer your question. If you are upset because nobody has answered it, your skin probably isn't thick enough.

It's not an honest question, by the way, it's a leading question, because "law" means something different to you than it does to most people here. So, when you ask, "Do you respect the law?" you mean one thing, and most others read something quite different.

Here's a suggestion: read through Romans, Galatians and Hebrews, and see how "law" is used there. See how the writers argue about the relationship of the Christian to "law".

One more thing: "Nobody is perfect" is not a law.
oh come on it is an honest question, the op does the question no favour in one sence because you see the fear of Judgment. but thats not my fault because im only repeating what the law says.

I posted this in another forum, i would like to know what you think of my analogy and i hope that we can be freinds and welcome your reply what ever it may be.

Here is my analogy.
are job is to obey the law the best we can. i think the problem is to many people equate the law to Gods wrath and then become defensive, That Jesus loves them.

People will do this automaticaly in there mind without realising it. Ive noticed this trend that people assume your equating works and the law to Gods wrath that your automaticaly assuming your doing good works or obeying the law to avoid Gods Judgemenet, I think theres many in here that live in fear of Gods Judgement but they dont know that they are, and then they get defensive. In turn they do the same thing and preach a side of Gods law that avoids Gods Judgement to, which is we are free from the curse of law, or the law does not save you or we are not under the law, its the same thought in mind that everyone in some way or another is in fear of Gods Judgement. and want to avoid Gods Judgement and this is how you do it etc.

Both sides are still in fear of the lord and come to know the lord lol
 

gb9

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Many affirm that Christ had abolished the moral law, and that Christians are therefore under no obligation to observe it; that a believer is freed from the “bondage of good works.”
Others that believe “they cannot fall from grace or forfeit the divine favour,” arrive at the still more hideous conclusion that “the wicked actions they commit are not really sinful, or considered as instances of the violation of the divine law, and that consequently they have no occasion either to confess their sins or to repent and turn from their sin. Therefore, they declared that even one of the vilest of sins is not a sin in the sight of God, it is believed that they cannot do anything which is either displeasing to God or prohibited by the law.”

---dangerous ground.



it is the moral law that points out my sin so i turn to Jesus for my salvation.

what is really dangerous is trying to convince Christ followers that they should be keeping jewish Sabbath in order to properly serve God, which gentiles were never commanded to do.....