revalations 22 18-19, scared need help plz

[sydude]

Well i need help because revalations says: "For I testify unto every man that hearth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And, if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
in school i summarized stories in the bible, for a play we were having, and i basically i added and took away, i don't want to go to hell. i felt like i was being lazy though and making lines from the story fast and im scared he has taken my name out of the book of life.

 

[loveschild]

Don't worry. God loves you very much. Even if you ran around saying everthing in the book was a lie then you learned God and said God forgive me God would forgive you he loves you so much. Your fine. Your name is in the book. keep learning as much as you can about God he loves that and wants that. Now forgive yourself. Be happy. Love

 

[Thaddaeus]

Well i need help because revalations says: "For I testify unto every man that hearth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And, if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
in school i summarized stories in the bible, for a play we were having, and i basically i added and took away, i don't want to go to hell. i felt like i was being lazy though and making lines from the story fast and im scared he has taken my name out of the book of life.

it means not to take away from /or add to the meaning of the words

 

[watchmen]

Well i need help because revalations says: "For I testify unto every man that hearth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And, if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
in school i summarized stories in the bible, for a play we were having, and i basically i added and took away, i don't want to go to hell. i felt like i was being lazy though and making lines from the story fast and im scared he has taken my name out of the book of life.

Note: I am not advocating adding or subtracting from the Bible, but this scripture is referring to adding or subtracting from the book of Revelation not the Bible itself.

 

[sydude]

im afraid that i did take away the meaning by changing the story even if i didn't mean to because i got lazy and started rushing and making the line to the play

 

[sydude]

i don't think its referring to just revalations i think it talks about the whole bible

 

[loveschild]

It's talking about the whole bible. Part of what it's saying not to do is how so many people on this site are making fun of the bible joking about tongues, joking about Gods people doing healings. Doing their best to lead people away from God. God says not to do that...taking away from Gods words. Trying to cause his children to go to hell. He doesn't like that. Saying there are no prophets. His word says there are prophets and there was prophets. All his words are true. God bless, Love

 

[Thaddaeus]

Note: I am not advocating adding or subtracting from the Bible, but this scripture is referring to adding or subtracting from the book of Revelation not the Bible itself.

this is not true watchman or either the book of revelation should be the only book in the Bible if you statement is true look at this :
Re 22:7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

if the prophecy of this book is only rev. than we will be blessed if we only have rev , as a bible, this is referring to the whole bible as well as Re 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:Re 22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Simple logic shows that the warning in revelations is not for the whole bible. The book of revelation was written before the bible was put together and even before many other books were written. If the warning in revelations applies to the whole bible, then it must have been added in when they put the bible together ( a violation of the very warning), or it was added in the book of Revelations, with prior-knowledge that there would be a complete bible to which it would apply - an unlikely scenario.

The bible is not a book, bible means books. A collection of books. The warning in revelations is most certainly only applied to the book of revelation. The words of the prophecy of "this book" i.e. Revelation. It is the book of Revelation which Jesus told John to write and distribute to the churches:

Rev 1:11 saying, I am the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last. Also, What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.
Jesus did not give such commands to the apostle Paul for example with his letters to the Ephesians etc. That's why there is no such warning at the end of Paul's letter to the Ephesians.

The warning in Revelations is a form of ancient copyright protection. So unless a person is deliberately changing the meaning and selling them as "books of Revelation" in order to spread false doctrine, it's not breach of copyright. A "fair use" principle would apply, and that includes paraphrasing.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Simple logic shows that the warning in revelations is not for the whole bible. The book of revelation was written before the bible was put together and even before many other books were written. If the warning in revelations applies to the whole bible, then it must have the book of Revelations, with prior-knowledge that there would be a complete bible to which it would apply - an unlikely scenario.been added in when they put the bible together ( a violation of the very warning), or it was added in

The bible is not a book, bible means books. A collection of books. The warning in revelations is most certainly only applied to the book of revelation. The words of the prophecy of "this book" i.e. Revelation. It is the book of Revelation which Jesus told John to write and distribute to the churches:

Rev 1:11 saying, I am the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last. Also, What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.
Jesus did not give such commands to the apostle Paul for example with his letters to the Ephesians etc. That's why there is no such warning at the end of Paul's letter to the Ephesians.

The warning in Revelations is a form of ancient copyright protection. So unless a person is deliberately changing the meaning and selling them as "books of Revelation" in order to spread false doctrine, it's not breach of copyright. A "fair use" principle would apply, and that includes paraphrasing.

so what you are saying is that we only have to keep the sayings in revelations in order to be in the number that Jesus comes back for. Re 22:7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. seeing the Bible is not a book as you say (LOL), then Jesus couldn't have been telling us to keep the saying in matthew , mark , luke, john, acts, romans, etc. etc.
Wow, what a twisted teaching

now let's look at what you said here

If the warning in revelations applies to the whole bible, then it must have the book of Revelations, with prior-knowledge that there would be a complete bible to which it would apply - an unlikely scenario. been added in when they put the bible together ( a violation of the very warning), or it was added in

are you saying that revelation has already happened ? because I have always been told that God inspired the Bible (every word) . so if God inspired John to write a letter/book about future events, would that not have to be prior-knowledge??????? which i think you termed as "an unlikely scenario". so are you also stating that God couldn't have had prior-knowledge of what He was going to inspire John to write or if He had prior-knowledge and told john to put it in the Bible that He would had violated His own warning. so is this like saying that God could have done something wrong ??

Wow, what a twisted teaching.
I think you just violated the warning, even if it does just apply to revelation, you twist the word of God so your doctrine can be right, in your eyes. revelations has to from prior-knowledge not an unlikey scenario. for if it was not proir-knowledge then tell me, please. sir where is New Jerusalem the Holy City That came down from Heaven, if you can?????

 

[MahogonySnail]

Are you saying that the warning in revelations was a prophetic warning to apply to the whole of scripture? I'm not aware that Jesus ever told John in Revelation that a complete bible would be made, decades later, or to write a warning in preparation for the future.

Use your brain for a minute. Let's go back to when before the bible was made. Say 100 AD, when Sally has a copy of the book of James, and decides to bind it together with the copy of Revelations. The moment that is done, she has added to the word of God, and violated the warning. Sally won't be going to heaven because she added to God's Word. Even the very act of putting the bible together with all the different books, is itself a violation of the warning, if it did apply to the whole bible.

Do you believe in the teachings of Luther and or Calvin? This is what some of they had to say about Revelation:

Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31] Martin Luther "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#Dating

None of the churches have agreed on what books should or shouldnt be in the bible therefore they have all violated this warning.

Let's look at the authorized KJV for example, which you love. The original 1611 King James Version contained the Deuterocanonical books
Does your current KJV contain these books? If not, they have been removed from the original, violating the warning. You could be on your way to hell for using a KJV which has violated the warning in Revelations what do you think. But no, that is not the case because the bible is not a book it is a collection of books. The word bible literally means BOOKS. The prophecy of "this book" obviously means The book (singular) of Revelation.

Finally, the big problem for you Thaddeus, is that this warning says anyone who does tamper with it, gets their name takeno ut of the book of life.
Please tell me how that is possible, as you believe that a person can never lose their salvation.


I've just shown you up on four accounts.
1. The word for bible doesn't mean book it means books. Although it has taken on singular meaning, originally it meant holy books, plural. Therefore if te warning in Revelation was for the whole bible it would have to say "these books", not "this book".
2. The KJV which you love has already had books removed from it, thus violating the warning in Revelations. You're continual use of the current KJV (which has had the deuterocanon removed) whilst believing the warning in Revelations applies to the whole bible, is surely hypocrisy?
3. The fact that both Luther said such bad things about Revelation, he even removed some verses himself. Fancy that, the man who gave us "sola scriptura", also ignored the book which warned about tampering with God's Word.
4. The fact that the warning says a person's name is taken out of the book of life. But you believe that is impossible because a person is always saved once they are saved, and can never have their name taken out of the book of life. You believing both the warning that says a name can be taken from the book of life, and that you can't lose salvation, makes your beliefs contradicatory. You can't believe both at the same time.

So it would be good for you to address points 1-4 above first - your own hypocrisy and contradictions in your beliefs, before claiming I have twisted God's word or accuse me of violating the warning.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Are you saying that the warning in revelations was a prophetic warning to apply to the whole of scripture? I'm not aware that Jesus ever told John in Revelation that a complete bible would be made, decades later, or to write a warning in preparation for the future.

Use your brain for a minute. Let's go back to when before the bible was made. Say 100 AD, when Sally has a copy of the book of James, and decides to bind it together with the copy of Revelations. The moment that is done, she has added to the word of God, and violated the warning. Sally won't be going to heaven because she added to God's Word. Even the very act of putting the bible together with all the different books, is itself a violation of the warning, if it did apply to the whole bible.

Do you believe in the teachings of Luther and or Calvin? This is what some of they had to say about Revelation:

Nineteenth-century agnosticRobert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31] Martin Luther "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation#Dating

None of the churches have agreed on what books should or shouldnt be in the bible therefore they have all violated this warning.

Let's look at the authorized KJV for example, which you love. The original 1611 King James Version contained the Deuterocanonical books
Does your current KJV contain these books? If not, they have been removed from the original, violating the warning. You could be on your way to hell for using a KJV which has violated the warning in Revelations what do you think. But no, that is not the case because the bible is not a book it is a collection of books. The word bible literally means BOOKS. The prophecy of "this book" obviously means The book (singular) of Revelation.

Finally, the big problem for you Thaddeus, is that this warning says anyone who does tamper with it, gets their name takeno ut of the book of life.
Please tell me how that is possible, as you believe that a person can never lose their salvation.


I've just shown you up on four accounts.
1. The word for bible doesn't mean book it means books. Although it has taken on singular meaning, originally it meant holy books, plural. Therefore if te warning in Revelation was for the whole bible it would have to say "these books", not "this book".
2. The KJV which you love has already had books removed from it, thus violating the warning in Revelations. You're continual use of the current KJV (which has had the deuterocanon removed) whilst believing the warning in Revelations applies to the whole bible, is surely hypocrisy?
3. The fact that both Luther said such bad things about Revelation, he even removed some verses himself. Fancy that, the man who gave us "sola scriptura", also ignored the book which warned about tampering with God's Word.
4. The fact that the warning says a person's name is taken out of the book of life. But you believe that is impossible because a person is always saved once they are saved, and can never have their name taken out of the book of life. You believing both the warning that says a name can be taken from the book of life, and that you can't lose salvation, makes your beliefs contradicatory. You can't believe both at the same time.

So it would be good for you to address points 1-4 above first - your own hypocrisy and contradictions in your beliefs, before claiming I have twisted God's word or accuse me of violating the warning.

I believe:Mt 4:4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
and that : Re 22:7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. the prophecy of this book means the entire word of God . and No I not not follow the Calvinist view of scriptures. I follow scriptures! and I am not saying what is in my last post to you but am asking you if you believe that ?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Re 22:7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. the prophecy of this book means the entire word of God .

The prophecy of this book is literally, all of the revelations and prophecy contained in the book of Revelation. "this prophecy":

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

It is a prophetic book! Not every book in the bible is prophecy. And not every book or every passage within each book of the bible is prophecy. Therefore, this warning in Rev. does not apply to 100% of the bible. There are other warnings in scripture that may apply to the whole bible (like in Deuteronomy, God's commands), but the one in Revelation is warning against additional revelations.

 

[MahogonySnail]

You say you follow scripture, but since you don't believe a Christian can lose salvation, you cannot possibly believe in the warning of Revelation, which says a person's name (obviously a christian, otherwise their name would not be in the book in the first place) will be blotted out of the book of life, if they mess with Revelation.
Maybe you believe the same false teaching as Tim Lahaye:

http://libertytothecaptives.net/tim_lahaye_false_teaching_bookofthisprophecy.html

Wouldn't surprise me, as you also believe in pre-trib rapture dont you? Follow Tim Lahaye?



Since I believe anyone, non-christian or Christian, who tampers with Rev. will lose salvation (name out of the book of life), I guess that means I believe in what the scripture says, the warning in revelation, more than you do.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Snail's quote

Let's look at the authorized KJV for example, which you love. The original 1611 King James Version contained the Deuterocanonical books
Does your current KJV contain these books? If not, they have been removed from the original, violating the warning. You could be on your way to hell for using a KJV which has violated the warning in Revelations what do you think. But no, that is not the case because the bible is not a book it is a collection of books. The word bible literally means BOOKS. The prophecy of "this book" obviously means The book (singular) of Revelation.

Hey would you catch your breath for just a minute Look at these scriptures closely please!
Re 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:Re 22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
It does not say that we can not add words or take away words from the book: "If any man shall add unto these things" or " take away from the words of the book " If I need a toothbrush and I say I want a brush for the teeth I have not added unto the words, true I have added words but not added unto the words for it means the same thing, I didn't change the meaning of the object .

If I say I have A glass of clear water and I tell you this is a glass of water I have not taken away anything from the glass of water . these verses do NOT say we can't add words or take away words. and I am not saying that it is not saying what it is saying but rather asking you to look closer at what it is saying , it is saying not to change the meaning of the book and we can do that without taking away or adding but rather misinterpreting, and taking thing out of contents .

I have a King James 1611 and yes it does have the Apocrypha books in it. I also have a King James version of the Holy Bible and it does not have the Apocrypha books in it , But they did not Change the meaning of the Book of prophecy, when They took those books out .

ok, so now can you explain what we should do with this if the book only referrs to revelation. Jos 1:8This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
when did Joshua become the book of the law, for your way of thinking what applies to revelation must apply to the rest of the bible so if Joshua said this book of the law He must be referring to the Book that is found in Joshua only, for YOU know that it can't mean the Bible. for the Bible Is not a Book accordinging the Snail

But no, that is not the case because the bible is not a book it is a collection of books.

and what do we do with all these:
De 28:58If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in THIS BOOK, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;De 29:20The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in THIS BOOK shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.De 29:21And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in THIS BOOK of the law:De 29:27And the anger of the LORD was kindled against this land, to bring upon it all the curses that are written in THIS BOOK:De 30:10If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in THIS BOOK of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.De 31:26Take THIS BOOK of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.2ki 22:13Go ye, inquire of the LORD for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of THIS BOOK that is found: for great is the wrath of the LORD that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of THIS BOOK, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us.2ki 23:3And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.2ch 34:21Go, inquire of the LORD for me, and for them that are left in Israel and in Judah, concerning the words of the book that is found: for great is the wrath of the LORD that is poured out upon us, because our fathers have not kept the word of the LORD, to do after all that is written in THIS BOOK.2ch 34:31And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, to perform the words of the covenant which are written in THIS BOOK.Jer 25:13And I will bring upon that land all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in THIS BOOK, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations.

 

[watchmen]

i don't think its referring to just revalations i think it talks about the whole bible

Well you would be incorrect in that assumption. When John wrote the book of Revelation he had no idea that the Bible would be put together as it was. He specifically was referring to the ''book of THIS prophesy''. The Bible itself was not in his mind John was speaking about the book of Revelation only. The plagues that he was referring to were the plagues from the book of Revelation, and the book of life he was referring to is also mentioned in Revelation. John was not referring to the whole Bible he meant the book that he was writting ''Revelation''

 

[watchmen]

Simple logic shows that the warning in revelations is not for the whole bible. The book of revelation was written before the bible was put together and even before many other books were written. If the warning in revelations applies to the whole bible, then it must have been added in when they put the bible together ( a violation of the very warning), or it was added in the book of Revelations, with prior-knowledge that there would be a complete bible to which it would apply - an unlikely scenario.

Exactly

The bible is not a book, bible means books. A collection of books. The warning in revelations is most certainly only applied to the book of revelation. The words of the prophecy of "this book" i.e. Revelation. It is the book of Revelation which Jesus told John to write and distribute to the churches:

Once again this is a perfect explanation.

 

[eringobrea]

I'm sorry, he's 14. Not a seasoned preacher or studier of the intricacies of the translations of the word. Though, these type of discussions are good for him and anyone else....

He wants to know if he's going to hell.

 

[watchmen]

I'm sorry, he's 14. Not a seasoned preacher or studier of the intricacies of the translations of the word. Though, these type of discussions are good for him and anyone else....

He wants to know if he's going to hell.

No, he is not, not for having biblical plays that may have not been 100% accurate. If that sent people to Hell, every single one of us would be there.

 

[BLC]

Simple logic shows that the warning in revelations is not for the whole bible. The book of revelation was written before the bible was put together and even before many other books were written. If the warning in revelations applies to the whole bible, then it must have been added in when they put the bible together ( a violation of the very warning), or it was added in the book of Revelations, with prior-knowledge that there would be a complete bible to which it would apply - an unlikely scenario.

The bible is not a book, bible means books. A collection of books. The warning in revelations is most certainly only applied to the book of revelation. The words of the prophecy of "this book" i.e. Revelation. It is the book of Revelation which Jesus told John to write and distribute to the churches:

If any serious student of the word of God is going to consider your logic concerning the book of Revelations they would also have to find other examples of that application as they compare spiritual with spiritual (1Cor 2:13). So let's take (2Tim 3:16) which states,

'All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.'

The 'all scripture' has been used and applied by every believer to every scripture from Genesis - Revelations, but according to your logic, it can only apply to the scriptures that were recognized and available to believers at that time. It could not include any of the scriptures that had not been accepted yet or later canonized as the NT. This scripture and the application of it could only be used with OT scriptures. If you are going to be consistent in your logic, even when the NT scriptures were finally canonized with those of the OT, this scripture in (2Tim 3:16) could not be used in any application of any NT inspired scripture. The conclusion would be that none of the NT scripture can be used for doctrine, for reproof, for correction or for instruction in righteousness, because when that verse was written the NT scriptures had not been authorized or received their place in the canon.

Here is the kicker. Because of your logic, you have no authority using any (or all) of the NT scriptures to support your doctrine and instructions about God's righteousness concerning the believer losing their salvation. The application of your logic concerning the book of Revelations, must be applied consistently with all the scriptures or you have no authority in any of the scriptures on any subject. When Jeus said in (John 10:35) that the scripture can not be broken, what scriture was he referring to? Was is all of God's inspired word or just some of it? Think about it!