Revelation 20:1-6, No Physical Kingdom Or Humans On This Earth Are Seen?

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Truth7t7

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This passage you provided supports a physical 1000 year millennium of the reign of Jesus and His saints on earth.

When Jesus rose from the dead He was both physical and spiritual. In Genesis it states in Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our own image and likeness" so those in the first resurrection are both physical (image) and spiritual (likeness).

If the 1000 years were purely spiritual there would be no nations for Satan to deceive for nations are very much physical, that is why he is bound for the entire interim.

In Zechariah 14 it describes what happens when Jesus returns, sets His feet on the Mount of Olives and splitting it into two, creating a valley for those there to escape. The whole chapter relates to physical events that happen when Jesus returns.
Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Consider a post I made some time back:

[quoting]


I've posted this before about the "days" (and/or "day") issues (the ones that are not "singular 24-hr days"):

Hosea 5:15-6:3 [re: Israel] -

14 For I am like a lion to Ephraim

and like a young lion to the house of Judah.

I, even I, will tear them to pieces

and then go away.

I will carry them off

where no one can rescue them.

15 Then I will return to My place

until they admit their guilt and seek My face;

in their affliction

they will earnestly [or, early] seek Me.”

6:1 Come, let us [Israel] return to the LORD.

For He has torn us [Israel] to pieces,

but He will heal us [Israel];

He has wounded us [Israel],

but He will bind up our [Israel's] wounds.

2 After two days He will revive [H2421] us [Israel]; [see H2421 in Ezekiel 37 also, vv.3,5,6,9,10,14]

on/in the third day He will raise [H6965] us [Israel] up, [see H6965 in Isaiah 26 also, v.19]

that we [Israel] may live [H2421 (ditto the above note)] in His presence.

3 So let us [Israel] know—

let us [Israel] press on to know the LORD.

As surely as the sun rises,

He will appear;

He will come to us [Israel] like the rain,

like the spring showers that water the earth [/as the latter rain unto the earth].


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[then... quoting Gaebelein's Commentary on Hosea 5]

"And like the lion after his attack withdraws to his den, so the Lord would withdraw from them, leave them and return to His place, waiting till their repentance comes and they seek Him early in their affliction.

"The last verse of this chapter has a wider meaning than the past judgment which came upon the house of Israel. The Lord of glory came to earth and visited His people. He came with the message and offer of the kingdom to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He came unto His own, but His own received Him not. After they had rejected Him, delivered Him into the hands of the Gentiles to be crucified, He returned to His place. There He is now at the right hand of God, waiting for that day, when the remnant of Israel will repent and seek His face Acts 3:19-26. [I mentioned Acts 3:21's reference to FUTURE events (i.e. the "UNTIL") in my Post #71 of this thread (EDIT: in a different thread)]. That will be in their coming great affliction, in the time of Jacob’s trouble.

"Hosea 6:1-3. The division of the chapter at this point is unfortunate. The three verses of chapter 6 must not be detached from the previous chapter. Here we have the future repentance of the remnant of Israel, that is during the great tribulation. Believingly they will acknowledge His righteous judgment and express their faith and hope in His mercy and the promised blessings and restoration. They express what their great prophet Moses so beautifully stated in His prophetic song, that great vision given to him, ere he went to the mountain to die. “See now that I, even I, am He and there is no god with Me; I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; neither is there any that can deliver out of My hand” Deuteronomy 32:39. “After two days will He revive us; on the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight (literally, before His face).” They have been dead spiritually and nationally, but when the two days of their blindness and dispersion are over, there is coming for them the third day of life and [what is *LIKENED UNTO a] resurrection."

--Gaebelein, Commentary on Hosea 5 (taken from Bible Hub)

[end quoting Gaebelein; bold and underline mine; bracketed insertions mine]

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[note the passages I've listed before that *LIKEN this UNTO a RESURRECTION ^ (re: Israel's "FUTURE"): Romans 11:15(25-29); Ezekiel 37:12-14,20-23; Isaiah 26:16-21; Daniel 12:1-4,10; John 6:39 (distinct from v.40); Hosea 5:15-6:3 "after TWO days" and "IN the THIRD day"... which is "THE LAST" of these three (counting from His resurrection/ascension [32ad], per Hos5:15), or "THE LAST" of seven (if you count from creation/Genesis 1, i.e. the "sabbatismos" of Heb4:9 (see Ex31:13,17 "it [the sabbath/7th day] is A SIGN between Me and Israel for ever"), aka the Millennial Day of REST, that is, the 7th Millennium, or "THE LAST")]

I believe it is a big mistake to view the phrase "The Last Day" to be referring to "a singular 24-hr day"

[end quoting that post]


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Add to that, what Peter had said, "be not ignorant OF THIS ONE THING"
 

Truth7t7

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I’m afraid you have failed in your due diligence to properly search for the term “thousand years,” it is used several times in the OT & NT.
Please post them
 

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Revelation 20:1-6, No Physical Kingdom Or Humans On This Earth Are Seen?

No Physical Kingdom or Human's on This Earth, are seen in Revelation 20:1-6 Below As Many Claim.

That seen below, is in the Lords "Spiritual Realm" 100%

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ,100% Spiritual Realm!

Revelation 20:1-6 (AKJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
This happens after the saints are resurrected to heaven, and after the battle of Armageddon on earth when the beast and the world go against Jerusalem, the Jews, and Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world, and saves Israel, which all Jews will be back on their land by way of the peace treaty in the Middle East.

Satan is bound and put in the bottomless pit, and then Jesus and the saints shall rule over the people that God spared at the battle of Armageddon, and there is then peace on earth for Satan is not deceiving the people.

Jesus said that not one tittle or jot shall pass from the law until all is fulfilled, which includes the roles of Israel in the nation.

Which Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King which must be done on earth, and when Jesus rules for 1000 years on earth then this heaven and earth shall pass away, and the saints will be at a new heaven, and earth, the New Jerusalem that is spiritual.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

God's purpose is to gather all nations against Jerusalem, the Jews, and then defeat those nations.

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Jesus will come back with the saints, and defeat the nations, and rule the nations with a rod of iron which is on earth, for the heathen are not in heaven.

So Jesus will rule on earth.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Which Jesus shall be King over all the earth, and the heathen shall not acknowledge any religious figure, or god, but only Jesus.

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Which there will be peace on earth, and people will not fight with people, and animals and people will not fear each other, and animals will be plant eaters, and a little child can lead the most ferocious animal on earth today, and that animal will have no desire to hurt the child.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The heathen have to go up year after year to worship Jesus, and keep the feast of tabernacles which is to be right with God for they cannot be spiritual so they have to keep that physical ordinance.
 

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This passage you provided supports a physical 1000 year millennium of the reign of Jesus and His saints on earth.

When Jesus rose from the dead He was both physical and spiritual. In Genesis it states in Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our own image and likeness" so those in the first resurrection are both physical (image) and spiritual (likeness).

If the 1000 years were purely spiritual there would be no nations for Satan to deceive for nations are very much physical, that is why he is bound for the entire interim.

In Zechariah 14 it describes what happens when Jesus returns, sets His feet on the Mount of Olives and splitting it into two, creating a valley for those there to escape. The whole chapter relates to physical events that happen when Jesus returns.
That 1000 year millennium the reign of Jesus and His saints on earth is witnessed as on going . Christ reigned with Abel the first apostle martyr. By a work of Christ's faith in him. He continues to reign in the hearts of his saints .

It was the cause of the fall and everlasting chains. The father of lies as the god of this whole world could no longer deceive all the nations in that way . Jewish flesh as if God was a man .

The promise of Joel had come. Prophets priest apostles from all nations men and women (mankind). a time like never before or ever again. The beginning of the thousand years.

When the vail in the abomination of desolation (God does not dwell in temples made with corrupted hands of mankind. that curtain (70 feet) was rent from the top to the bottom . There was no man sitting there .Satan fell off his high horse of false pride. .

The beginning of the use of the "thousands year" metaphor used in that "parable" (Revelation 20) It represents the beginning last days for those who are not of the number and literalize the signified understanding .

Not as those who do have the faith of Christ working with them in them, making our burden lighter.. No signs to wonder in when moved to do the will . Philippians 2:12-13 We should beleive God as he works in us without murmuring. Its like wondering and marveling it does not replace prophecy as it is written. why murmur or wonder rather than believing. Enjoy the rest. Lay down for 5 minutes in the green pastures, the safe place

Jesus said marvel not. How could we not wonder at the greatest of miracles "born again" ? Experiencing our first love for God. Unless he works with us in us . Walking by wonderments is not walking by faith. They oppose each other .

And cast
him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Revelation 20:3

The thousand years follows the pattern of a unknow. . . no reason to reveal to those who do walk by faith (the unseen eternal)

Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Not is one day. or a thousand years is yesterday . it would seem the illusions some who literalize the signified attach to it.

The word "thousand" is used that way in regard to whatever is in view, time, people, food he reveals the spiritual understand to those who do walk by faith. As always he must increase his faithful work as we decrease we find rest. .
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Revelation 20:1-6, No Physical Kingdom Or Humans On This Earth Are Seen?
God must be laughing at this kind of idiocy. Looks like you are a specialist in the contradiction of the Scriptures. You might be better off reading Alice in Wonderland.
 

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This passage you provided supports a physical 1000 year millennium of the reign of Jesus and His saints on earth.
Some people would rather listen to nonsensical interpretations of the Bible than pay close attention to what is ACTUALLY WRITTEN. "A (one) thousand years" (Greek chilia ete) is repeated SIX TIMES within seven verses to prevent any misunderstanding about a literal Millennium.
 

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This happens after the saints are resurrected to heaven, and after the battle of Armageddon on earth when the beast and the world go against Jerusalem, the Jews, and Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world, and saves Israel, which all Jews will be back on their land by way of the peace treaty in the Middle East.

Satan is bound and put in the bottomless pit, and then Jesus and the saints shall rule over the people that God spared at the battle of Armageddon, and there is then peace on earth for Satan is not deceiving the people.

Jesus said that not one tittle or jot shall pass from the law until all is fulfilled, which includes the roles of Israel in the nation.

Which Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King which must be done on earth, and when Jesus rules for 1000 years on earth then this heaven and earth shall pass away, and the saints will be at a new heaven, and earth, the New Jerusalem that is spiritual.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

God's purpose is to gather all nations against Jerusalem, the Jews, and then defeat those nations.

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Jesus will come back with the saints, and defeat the nations, and rule the nations with a rod of iron which is on earth, for the heathen are not in heaven.

So Jesus will rule on earth.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Which Jesus shall be King over all the earth, and the heathen shall not acknowledge any religious figure, or god, but only Jesus.

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Which there will be peace on earth, and people will not fight with people, and animals and people will not fear each other, and animals will be plant eaters, and a little child can lead the most ferocious animal on earth today, and that animal will have no desire to hurt the child.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The heathen have to go up year after year to worship Jesus, and keep the feast of tabernacles which is to be right with God for they cannot be spiritual so they have to keep that physical ordinance.
(Isaiah 11) & (Zechariah 14) represents the "Eternal Kingdom" in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.
 

Truth7t7

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Some people would rather listen to nonsensical interpretations of the Bible than pay close attention to what is ACTUALLY WRITTEN. "A (one) thousand years" (Greek chilia ete) is repeated SIX TIMES within seven verses to prevent any misunderstanding about a literal Millennium.
Revelation 20-1-6 does state "One Thousand Years" but there isn't one human on this earth seen in those verses, and you and many others claim this represents a future Kingdom on earth, with mortal humans present?

Now that's a real big smile! :)
 

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Revelation 20-1-6 does state "One Thousand Years" but there isn't one human on this earth seen in those verses, and you and many others claim this represents a future Kingdom on earth, with mortal humans present?

Now that's a real big smile! :)
:eek:No human seen :giggle:? Hiding:cool:? Where do those go in the flesh and blood? How did they breath:sick:? What they eat:sick:? Do they procreate? :love:

Up (y)? or down(n)?
 

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Waiting for the post?
I believe my total count of posts on this thread is now 3 including this one.

For the record, I will reiterate that I believe that the 1000 year reign of Jesus will be a physical kingdom on earth and the born again believers who previously died will rule with Him over the remaining human population that is still alive at that time and who will also repopulate the earth until the 1000 years has lapsed.

At that point Satan, who was held bond for this period of time, will be released so he can deceive the nations once again until he is ultimately defeated, along with his followers, and then thrown into the lake of fire.
 

Truth7t7

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I believe my total count of posts on this thread is now 3 including this one.

For the record, I will reiterate that I believe that the 1000 year reign of Jesus will be a physical kingdom on earth and the born again believers who previously died will rule with Him over the remaining human population that is still alive at that time and who will also repopulate the earth until the 1000 years has lapsed.

At that point Satan, who was held bond for this period of time, will be released so he can deceive the nations once again until he is ultimately defeated, along with his followers, and then thrown into the lake of fire.
You teach Jesus, kingdom on this earth, millions of humans repopulating the earth for 1,000 years?

Not one piece of your belief is seen in Revelation 20:1-6, how could you believe and teach such?
 

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What you are talking about in particular is true and relates to spiritual realm. However i do believe that both realm will make themselves know in the tribulation and at the end of earth's time.
 

Truth7t7

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why limit this thought to six verse?
Revelation 20:1-6 is the false invention of man, as clearly seen there isn't a physical kingdom or mortal hans seen
 

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PURE FOOLISHNESS!!! = opening post!
this absurdness is NOT acceptable!!!
 

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Revelation 20:1-6 is the false invention of man, as clearly seen there isn't a physical kingdom or mortal hans seen
David’s throne is a physical throne on earth in Jerusalem.
 

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David’s throne is a physical throne on earth in Jerusalem.
"David's throne is physically on earth In Jerusalem"?

Is that the place where you believe Jesus Christ will physically sit amongst humans on this earth in the future, a physical throne in Jerusalem?
 
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"David's throne is physically on earth In Jerusalem"?

Is that the place where you believe Jesus Christ will physically sit amongst humans on this earth in the future, a physical throne in Jerusalem?
That's not where I think, that's what the Scripture says.

Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Here's the Lord's second coming:

Matthew 26
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: