Revelation and Tribulations???

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AnandaHya

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Ok so I caved and now reading Revelations, again. will someone post some articles and websites or videos that I can watch to help me understand and decide for myself what it all means.

Personally I think we are in the middle of tribulations and Jesus came already during the 1st century and that was rapture and now we are in the era of the third seal but most don't agree with that reading of it.

i'm going to read study and pray about it and see where the Holy Spirit leads me.

Pre-post Rapture????

what if it happened already? and you have already missed the first boat and now you have to live through the trials???

why is everyone asleep about it???

I will pray about it and see. If you have some links or recommendations it would be greatly appreciated thanks.
 
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This will give you a reference to some of the related scriptures which are found outside Revelation.

There is yet to occur on this earth a certain seven year period known as the last week of the seventy weeks in the prophecy of the book of Daniel (Daniel 9:24-27). The latter half of this seven years is a time of wrath and judgment from God, described in detail in Revelation chapters 6-19.

The Scriptures indicate that the Lord will return and remove those who are faithful to Him at the beginning of the time of wrath and judgment (1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:3; Luke 21:34-36; Revelation 3:10), which occurs immediately after the man of sin is revealed (Daniel 9:27; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4; Matthew 24:15-44). During this time (Matthew 24:15-21), that is, the great tribulation, God will send upon the unbelieving world a great deception unlike anything this world has ever known (2 Thessalonians 2:1-12) through the means of the Devil himself (Revelation 13). Many will turn to Christ at this time (Revelation 7:9-17), but the rest will be deceived and follow after the lie.

At the end of this period, the Lord Jesus Christ will come down from heaven and take complete control and rule over the entire world (Matthew 24:29-31; Revelation 19:11-20:6). He will set up His kingdom and reward those who were faithful to Him, and judge those who were not (Matthew 25:31-46).
After a thousand year reign on the earth, a rebellion will break out against Christ, the then ruling King, but the rebels will not prevail (Revelation 20:7-10). After this, the Lord will burn up the entire universe (2 Peter 3:7,10) and execute a final judgment on mankind (Revelation 20:11-15; 21:1).

He will then make a new universe and a new earth (in perfection) where righteousness and holiness reigns, and all those of all the ages who walked with God will forever enjoy His presence and blessing (Psalm 16:11; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21, 22).
 
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Revelations 1;

19 Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this. 20 The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw[j] are the seven churches.


So how I read it is about present (1st century) and future events....seven stars = angels, seven lampstands = churches,
they existed in the past and I think they still exist today.

seven angels have seven Territories on the earth: N. America, S. America, Europe, N. Asia, S. Asia, Africa, Australia

according to the sidenotes on the New King James Version

church 1. The loveless church (Europe they have turned from their first love: Jesus to martyrs and saints, etc)
church 2: The persecuted church (Africa/ middle east yeah you can read that in the news the deaths, etc)
church 3: Compromising church (s. america mixing with vodoo practices, etc)
church 4: The corrupt church (S. Asia mixed with Fulan Gong, new age spiritualism)
church 5: the dead church (N. Asia, don't know much about it but the Orthodox church i've heard doesn't sound like good fruit and their light seems like darkness)
church 6: the faithful church (australia, don't know much about the church there)
church 7: the lukewarm church (N. America, people want to be "nice" and most ride the fence about a lot of things either of literalness of the Bible, its completeness, or the fullness of spiritual gifts)


ok so it came from a being claiming to a messanger for our Lord Jesus Christ,

Is the being lying to me or could it be Bible based?

whenever I read the books of prophecy all these beings want to pipe up and add their two cents so annoying sometimes.


Dear God make all who are not from you stay far far away, In Jesus name we pray, amen.
 
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Thank you Trust in the name. I'm going to read all the Book and try and figure it out and reevaluate it. Bible study is starting tonight :)
 
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Revelations 4: 6-8 take about the Cherubim that surround Jesus' throne... four faces six wings: eagle, lion, man and calf/bull sounds like what one of the old prophets described Cherubim to be. (Jeremiah, Isaiah or Ezekiel i get them mixed up)

Revelations 5 4 So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read[a] the scroll, or to look at it. 5 But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals.”
6 And I looked, and behold,[c] in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.


wait the Lamb/Lion is Jesus then the guy on the throne must be the Father in Heaven or the Lord of the Heavenly Host, right?

so Jesus has seven horns and seven eyes in heaven?
 
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Revelation 6 (New King James Version)

Revelation 6

First Seal: The Conqueror

1 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals;[a] and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

Jesus when he walked the earth and revealed the truths THAT HAD BEEN SEALED since the beginning of time

Second Seal: Conflict on Earth


3 When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come and see.” 4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.
Muhammahad and the teachings of Islam

Third Seal: Scarcity on Earth

5 When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart[c] of wheat for a denarius,[d] and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”
Happening now in the middle East you will see the man riding the Black horse unite the Arab world

Fourth Seal: Widespread Death on Earth


7 When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” 8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
AntiChrist

Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs


9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. NOTE: THE FAITHFUL HAVE NOT BEEN RAPTURED OUT

Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances


12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold,[e] there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon[f] became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,[g] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”


Tribulation!!!

so yeah that is how I read that chapter without the teaching so men. just reading the words and comparing it to what I know of history and current events. I could be wrong but that is my working hypothesis right now.
 
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Revelation 7: 1 After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”

RAPTURE OCCURS after the sixth seal is broken.

Seal 7 is the destruction of the Earth and the material universe, which the faithful will watch in HEAVEN with Jesus as it occurs

this is NO SUN, NO WIND, NO Laws of Nature, NO gravity, etc.

Trumpets: 1, meteors hit the earth and trees die
2. fire, earthquakes tsuanmis destroy the oceans
3. Wormwood a meteor will poison the waters
4. one third sun, moon and stars will disappear
5. hell and demons are released
6. plagues

Last chance for mankind to repent if they missed the first Rapture bus which only take up 12,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel. Each tribe has a Spiritual Gift they are entrusted with.

12 tribes of Israel = Body of Christ/ Modern day church (body part, spiritual gifts)

1. Reuben = Sea a son (eyes of God, discernment of Spirits)
2. Simeon = Heard (ears of God, knowledge )
3. Levi = Attached (priesthood or embilical cord to God, Teaching)
4. Judah = Praise (voice or spirit of God, tongues)
5. Dan = Judge (mind, Wisdom)
6. Naphatali = wrestlings (arms, miracles )
7. Gad = Troop/fortune (feet, evangelism)
8. Asher = happy (heart, love)
9. Issachar = wages (blood, faith)
10. Zebulun = dwelling (skin, hospitality)
11. Joseph = He will add (bone marrow, healing)
12. Benoni = my sorrow (soul, prophecy)


1 Corinthians 12
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.


what do you guys think? I haven't read it any where except in the Bible but people keep telling me I'm not reading the Bible "right" which means I'm not agreeing with them basically. ;)

But God hasn't convicted me that I'm wrong so that is what I'm working with. Is it Biible based or just creations/ constructs of my own mind? it makes sense to me but is it from God or from me?
 
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Ok so I caved and now reading Revelations, again. will someone post some articles and websites or videos that I can watch to help me understand and decide for myself what it all means.

Personally I think we are in the middle of tribulations and Jesus came already during the 1st century and that was rapture and now we are in the era of the third seal but most don't agree with that reading of it.

i'm going to read study and pray about it and see where the Holy Spirit leads me.

Pre-post Rapture????

what if it happened already? and you have already missed the first boat and now you have to live through the trials???

why is everyone asleep about it???

I will pray about it and see. If you have some links or recommendations it would be greatly appreciated thanks.
stay away from books, and videos; all you need is the bible and the holy spirit. books and videos only put you out of course.spend your precious time with the word of God.
 
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Revelation 7: 1 After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”

this is the sealing of the 144000,specially chosen
the ones that follow the lamb wheresoever he goes, these are the virgins; meaning they have never worshipped other gods,or bowed down to them.

Seal 7 is the destruction of the Earth and the material universe, which the faithful will watch in HEAVEN with Jesus as it occurs . the 7th. seal consist of the 7 trumpets.
we need to start from the very beginning. dont be troubled,this book of revelation is the least understood book,still is.
this is NO SUN, NO WIND, NO Laws of Nature, NO gravity, etc.

Trumpets: 1, meteors hit the earth and trees die
2. fire, earthquakes tsuanmis destroy the oceans
3. Wormwood a meteor will poison the waters
4. one third sun, moon and stars will disappear
5. hell and demons are released
6. plagues

Last chance for mankind to repent if they missed the first Rapture bus which only take up 12,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel. Each tribe has a Spiritual Gift they are entrusted with.

12 tribes of Israel = Body of Christ/ Modern day church (body part, spiritual gifts)

1. Reuben = Sea a son (eyes of God, discernment of Spirits)
2. Simeon = Heard (ears of God, knowledge )
3. Levi = Attached (priesthood or embilical cord to God, Teaching)
4. Judah = Praise (voice or spirit of God, tongues)
5. Dan = Judge (mind, Wisdom)
6. Naphatali = wrestlings (arms, miracles )
7. Gad = Troop/fortune (feet, evangelism)
8. Asher = happy (heart, love)
9. Issachar = wages (blood, faith)
10. Zebulun = dwelling (skin, hospitality)
11. Joseph = He will add (bone marrow, healing)
12. Benoni = my sorrow (soul, prophecy)


1 Corinthians 12
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

what do you guys think? I haven't read it any where except in the Bible but people keep telling me I'm not reading the Bible "right" which means I'm not agreeing with them basically. ;)

But God hasn't convicted me that I'm wrong so that is what I'm working with. Is it Biible based or just creations/ constructs of my own mind? it makes sense to me but is it from God or from me?


oh, you are all over the place my dear, but you will get there, dont be too proud to ask.
 
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Revelation 6 (New King James Version)

Revelation 6

First Seal: The Conqueror

1 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals;[a] and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

the white horse had a bow, this is when christianity was spread on earth by conquering nations.and forced them to follow the christian religion.

Second Seal: Conflict on Earth
the red horse,this is the 1st w.war and the 2nd w.war. how do we know that? well its telling us great sword. meaning modern warfare that can kill many,like a great sword.
guns, canons, bombs. this is the second seal. the red horse.

3 When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come and see.” 4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.
Muhammahad and the teachings of Islam

the 3rd seal, the black horse; the world is in darkness, the material and the spiritual.
can not solve the problems. food problems, oil problems, (wine) religion problems.
this horse is riding at the moment.and will be followed by the pale horse. this is when the false prophet comes, he will kill christians, he will declare himself god.

the 5th seal are all the saints that were killed, crying for revenge.(symbolic) because they are dead, asleep.

5 When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart[c] of wheat for a denarius,[d] and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”
Happening now in the middle East you will see the man riding the Black horse unite the Arab world

Fourth Seal: Widespread Death on Earth


7 When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” 8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
AntiChrist

Fifth Seal: The Cry of the Martyrs


9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed. NOTE: THE FAITHFUL HAVE NOT BEEN RAPTURED OUT

Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances


12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold,[e] there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon[f] became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,[g] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”


Tribulation!!!

so yeah that is how I read that chapter without the teaching so men. just reading the words and comparing it to what I know of history and current events. I could be wrong but that is my working hypothesis right now.



i wont give you too much, might get confused.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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post and pre tribulation is theologies of our belief. See anyone can back up either one but both believe that Jesus comes in a hour no one knows :)
 
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post and pre tribulation is theologies of our belief. See anyone can back up either one but both believe that Jesus comes in a hour no one knows :)
Rapture happens pre- tribulations but tribulations don't start until the sixth seal is open and we have only had the third seal open yet. People jump the first three chapters and focus on the trumpets that talk about tribulation but don't talk about the horsemen and seals.
 
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i wont give you too much, might get confused.
i did ask and its hard to confuse me. message me if you don't want to post it publically.
 
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Ok so I caved and now reading Revelations, again. will someone post some articles and websites or videos that I can watch to help me understand and decide for myself what it all means.

Personally I think we are in the middle of tribulations and Jesus came already during the 1st century and that was rapture and now we are in the era of the third seal but most don't agree with that reading of it.

i'm going to read study and pray about it and see where the Holy Spirit leads me.

Pre-post Rapture????

what if it happened already? and you have already missed the first boat and now you have to live through the trials???

why is everyone asleep about it???

I will pray about it and see. If you have some links or recommendations it would be greatly appreciated thanks.
GOD RICHLY BLESS YOU. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU TO.LIKE SOMEONE ELSE SAID STAY AWAY FROM OTHER BOOKS AND VIDEO. THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL BLEAD YOU. JUST FORGIVE OTHERS HE WILL FORGIVE YOU AND ASK FOR HIM TO TEACH YOU.HE IS FAITHFUL TO SHOW YOU . GOD BLESS YOU
 
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Rapture happens pre- tribulations but tribulations don't start until the sixth seal is open and we have only had the third seal open yet. People jump the first three chapters and focus on the trumpets that talk about tribulation but don't talk about the horsemen and seals.

correction,annanda, christ comes after the tribulation(mat24:29)
not before,only the 14400 will be taken up to meet him in the air.
the rest will have to go through the tribulation,must be chastised first:before resurected. the sealed are only 144000,no more.
these are the specially chosen.

''wakeup''.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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I believe and have believed in the past and will still believe the post tribuation
 
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AnandaHya

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I'll read the rest of the book and pray about it. thanks.
 
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12 tribes of Israel = Body of Christ/ Modern day church (body part, spiritual gifts)

1. Reuben = Sea a son (eyes of God, discernment of Spirits)
2. Simeon = Heard (ears of God, knowledge )
3. Levi = Attached (priesthood or embilical cord to God, Teaching)
4. Judah = Praise (voice or spirit of God, tongues)
5. Dan = Judge (mind, Wisdom)
6. Naphatali = wrestlings (arms, miracles )
7. Gad = Troop/fortune (feet, evangelism)
8. Asher = happy (heart, love)
9. Issachar = wages (blood, faith)
10. Zebulun = dwelling (skin, hospitality)
11. Joseph = He will add (bone marrow, healing)
12. Benoni = my sorrow (soul, prophecy)
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You're not kidding are you.
 
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Ok so I caved and now reading

Revelations, again. will someone post some articles and

websites or videos that I can watch to help me understand

and decide for myself what it all means.

Personally I think we are in the middle of tribulations and

Jesus came already during the 1st century and that was

rapture and now we are in the era of the third seal but most

don't agree with that reading of it.

i'm going to read study and pray about it and see where the

Holy Spirit leads me.

Pre-post Rapture????

what if it happened already? and you have already missed the

first boat and now you have to live through the trials???

why is everyone asleep about it???

I will pray about it and see. If you have some links or

recommendations it would be greatly appreciated thanks.
Dear AnandaHya, The key to Revelation and to "when" the

things in Revelation take place is in Revelation 1:1:

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show

His servants -- things which must shortly take place."

NKJV, OSB, page 1712.

When did these things take place? "Shortly". Shortly after

John wrote Revelation sometime probably between 60 and

65, 66 AD. By 70 AD, most of Revelation had been fulfilled.

Only Revelation 21 and 22 are in the distant future.

Take care.

To understand Revelation correctly, you need to read an

Orthodox commentary. See:

Archbishop Averky of Jordanville. (1985). The Apocalypse

of St. John: An Orthodox Commentary.
Translated and

edited, with an introduction by Fr. Seraphim Rose. Platina,

CA: St. Herman of Alaska Brotherhood/ Valaam Society

of America.

Order from St. Herman of Alaska Press, P.O. Box 7,

Platina, CA 96076

God bless you.

Don't be afraid of the Orthodox Church. They are full of

love for God and for all neighbors, for people everywhere.

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington