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Truth7t7

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You truly do not understand Eschatology at all my friend, stick to something else, you are not called to this. You can't make an argument against anything I say. So, you just put out your own statement which has nothing to do with my post.
The (Two Witnesses) will rule the tribulation, representing Jesus Christ, bringing all plagues as often as they will, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6KJV

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The Plagues Brought By The Two Witnesses

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
 

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It's not about Antiochus, it's about the End Time Anti-Christ, and it states his REGARDS for what won desire, he has none, he could care less what women think, that is what ot means.

NOW THINK, what kind of Nation is the USA now, and most of these Global SJW Nationaround the world? Effeminate Nations that allow the nations to be ruled by BAD PEOPLE like liberals because they give a SOB STORY and many women, and nowadays been men, have that maternal instinct to feel sorry via an SOB STORY and thus we get a 55 percent vote for an SOB STORYTELLER like Bill Clinton, or even someone like George Bush who was another one that was a Globalist who tried to be a COMPASIONETE CONSERVATIVE. it's all about trying to move that Soccer Mom needle. This man will be just the opposite, hes is going to be a RUTHLESS RULER, if some women are demanding he stop this, or that tactic, hes going to tell them to mind their own business. The point is, it has nothing to do with him being a homosexual like many have pegged him because of this verse.
You really did not read my post very clearly. The subject in this post, is only constrained to the issue of defining the meaning behind "nor the desire of women". PERIOD.
 

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Sorry, but no one has ever proved that the elders seen in heaven are proof of a previous rapture.

The truth is, Rev. 4 & 5 are the context of the first seal, showing us the correct TIMING of the first seals.

I know, many people imagine Rev. 4:1 is the rapture. No, it is JOHN caught up to heaven around 95 AD, NOT the end of the age! It is still the church age at the 5th seal, for that is for the martyrs of the church age. Judgment does not begin until the 6th seal.
I would agree with you. Seeing the Rapture in Revelation Chapter 4 is at best poor exegesis and at worst wishful thinking. However, the concept of a Rapture is brought forth in John:

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.


Receiving us unto Himself, harmonizes with Paul's teachings in 1 Thessalonians Ch. 4.
 

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I would agree with you. Seeing the Rapture in Revelation Chapter 4 is at best poor exegesis and at worst wishful thinking.
However, there are two raptures in Revelation. The first is in Revelation 11, and the second is in Revelation 14.
 

Rondonmon

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You really did not read my post very clearly. The subject in this post, is only constrained to the issue of defining the meaning behind "nor the desire of women". PERIOD.
I don't think this particular reply was to you, but even if it was, and I think it was to TRUTH7 if I remember correctly, but even if it was my point remains the same, it's about his LACK of regards for what women think.
 

Rondonmon

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However, there are two raptures in Revelation. The first is in Revelation 11, and the second is in Revelation 14.
Rev. 11 has no Rapture, you are speaking about Two-witnesses who were already transformed. Thus they are taken to Heaven, but they already had Glorious bodies. Rev. 14 is the Pre Trib Rapture via verse 14, it's a FLASHBACK to Jesus calling us home from the clouds. Rev. 14 is THE HARVEST Chapter. Jesus Harvests the Jews who repented and remained on earth with the wicked tares until the very end, better known as the 144,000 but it's really 3-5 million Jews. Then in verses 17-20 we see the Wicked tares bound up in the grave (BUNDLED UP) to be burned at a later date (in 1000 years).

The Rev. 14:14 verse is a FLASHBACK to the Pre Trib Rapture. I am glad you see it as the Rapture. Youn are on the right track.
 

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Thus they are taken to Heaven, but they already had Glorious bodies.
Revelation 11 says nothing about the two prophets having "glorious bodies" . Indeed they are killed, lie dead for 3 1/2 days, and are then resurrected and raptured.
 

Rondonmon

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Revelation 11 says nothing about the two prophets having "glorious bodies" . Indeed they are killed, lie dead for 3 1/2 days, and are then resurrected and raptured.
They were at the Transfiguration with Jesus. Elijah and Moses already have Glorious bodies. There is ZERO REASON for them to die, save one reason. Them DYING gives us the perfect timelines of the Beast and when all the events happen. This is only understandable once we understand the 1335 is the Two-witnesses showing up 1335 days before the Second Coming, which ends all these wonders. Then we understand the Two-witnesses 1260 days started 75 days BEFORE the Beasts 1260 days which starts at the 1260 event and runs of course for the next 1260 days. So, why do they have to die? God has been protecting them like he has SEALED His Angels and the 144,000, so why do they all of the sudden die? So we will know the 7th Trump blows 75 days before Jesus returns, thus the 75 days that they arrive BEFORE the Beast conquers Jerusalem and the MANY Nations in the Region, is also the difference in the number of days they must leave their offices before the Beast gets killed and thus leaves his "OFFICE" as the Beast. By JUXTAPOSING the two timelines, via when they both show up, and when they die, we can understand the timeline perfectly.

Elijah and Moses have glorious bodies, they have been dead a long, long time sir.
 

Rondonmon

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The (Two Witnesses) will rule the tribulation, representing Jesus Christ, bringing all plagues as often as they will, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The Plagues Brought By The Two Witnesses

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
They don't RULE anything, the Beast goes forth to conquer and rules. What the Two-witnesses do is call Israel to repent starting at their 1335 appearance. Then they testify of the world's evil, more than likely on worldwide live TV. Then they Pray Down God's Wrath on the world. Just like Mosses did before, the Wrath against Egypt was God's also, but Moses is a human, and people saw him performing these things on the commands of God. This is God's Wrath, which starts with the First Trump. The Two-witnesses are sent to be a STAND IN for God, they say REPENT or ELSE.............Then ELSE HAPPENS when the world refuses to repent.

They pray them down, just like a man of God today heals NO ONE, they are just a vehicle for the Holy Spirit to heal people. If that makes sense.
 

Truth7t7

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They don't RULE anything, the Beast goes forth to conquer and rules. What the Two-witnesses do is call Israel to repent starting at their 1335 appearance. Then they testify of the world's evil, more than likely on worldwide live TV. Then they Pray Down God's Wrath on the world. Just like Mosses did before, the Wrath against Egypt was God's also, but Moses is a human, and people saw him performing these things on the commands of God. This is God's Wrath, which starts with the First Trump. The Two-witnesses are sent to be a STAND IN for God, they say REPENT or ELSE.............Then ELSE HAPPENS when the world refuses to repent.

They pray them down, just like a man of God today heals NO ONE, they are just a vehicle for the Holy Spirit to heal people. If that makes sense.
Your living in a dream world outside of the scripture, the Two Witnesses will bring the plagues as seen in Revelation 16 below

The (Two Witnesses) will rule the tribulation, representing Jesus Christ, bringing all plagues as often as they will, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6KJV

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The Plagues Brought By The Two Witnesses

Revelation 16:1-11KJV

1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
 

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However, there are two raptures in Revelation. The first is in Revelation 11, and the second is in Revelation 14.

There's a third one too:

Rev_4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

However, these are small raptures. What we call "The Rapture" is the Harpazo Pail wrote about which is a larger group of people being brought up to the clouds of the Earth from where they were previously.
 

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They were at the Transfiguration with Jesus. Elijah and Moses already have Glorious bodies.
Just being at the transfiguration doesn't mean they have the glorified body. Jesus was there and he didn't yet have one. There is no evidence either had or have the glorified body.
 

Rondonmon

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Your living in a dream world outside of the scripture, the Two Witnesses will bring the plagues as seen in Revelation 16 below

The (Two Witnesses) will rule the tribulation, representing Jesus Christ, bringing all plagues as often as they will, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The Plagues Brought By The Two Witnesses

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Gods Wrath..............Not the Two-witnesses Wrath. You are one confused Christian, mate.
 

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Just being at the transfiguration doesn't mean they have the glorified body. Jesus was there and he didn't yet have one. There is no evidence either had or have the glorified body.
They were DEAD !! If they didn't have glorified bodies they must have STANK !!

And which verse says that?
Daniel 12:11-12, The 1290 and the 1335. The 1260 is the Anti-Christ conquering Israel and THE MANY [Nations in the region] which is 1260 days until ALL THESE WONDERS (Dan. 11:36-45 AND Dan. 12:1-2 were THESE W0NDERS Daniel was just shown) END.

Likewise, in verse 8 Daniel asks the exact same question as the Angel did earlier, and he said HOW LONG TIL THESE WONDERS END. Thus the answer he got was two more numbers, without much detail, he got DETAIL on the 1260, from the time Israel is conquered until THE END will be 1260 days, here he only gets TWO NUMBERS and no explanation at all as per to what they are referring unto.

So, my job is to try and understand God's scriptures in total, who/what could the 1290 and 1335 be? Well, it's not 1290 days into the 1000 year reign, that made no sense, it's not 30 days after the 1260 (which was the exact middle of the week) else Jerusalem would have been conquered for 30 days before God gave them the SIGN (AoD) to flee Judea, that made no sense. Well, I thought, could it be 1290 days BEFORE TESE WONDERS END? Just like the 1260 was? Then I saw the question Daniel asked was the exact same question the angel asked, and I was like, sure, that's what it has to be, God always has perfect symmetry. So my job n0w was to TEST THE SCRIPTURES to see if it fit.

How could the 1290 be 30 days BEFORE the Anti-Christ shows up at the 1260 I asked myself? That would mean he could be the 1290 guy who takes away THE SACRIFICE and places the AoD. But my studies of Daniel 11 rescued me here. Antiochus had appointed a man named Jason as High Priest after Jason had bribed him, te Jason had his brother, a Pious High Pries killed, and welcomed Antiochus into the Temple of God to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus. He then tried to Hellenize his Jewish brothers, this led to the Maccabean Revolt, and the rest is history. Thus this coming Anti-Christ, an Antiochus TYPE, would also have a Jewish partner (False Prophet) who would be a Jason TYPE and they thus would be THE Anti-Christ and False Prophet and they had a DUO TYPE who lived at the same time in Antiochus and Jason.

This False Prophet is the 1290, thus it can happen 30 days BEFORE the 1260 Conquering by the Anti-Christ. Now which makes more sense? God WARNS the Jews to flee 30 days AFTER they are conquered? I think we both agree that makes NO SENSE. God warns the Jews to Flee Judea as the Anti-Christ is Conquering them? Well, that used to bother me, but I just accepted it as a fact, even though now I see God has WAY BETTER PLANS than that, of course, He is God !! LASTLY, God warns the Jews to Flee Judea 30 days BEFORE they get Conquered at the 1290 Sign, which is 1290 days before ALL THESE WONDERS END (Second Coming), thus God gives the Jewish people a 30-day window to Flee Judea, HONESTLY NOW, which makes more sense? Put away OLD TRADITION, God is God, he's not going to give a LATE WARNING !!

So, the 1290 AoD is a False Prophet (Jewish High Priest working with the E.U. President whom he knows is probably coming to power shortly like everyone knew Hitler was about to take over much of Europe beforehand, they just knew his intentions. So, this False Prophet High Priest TAKES AWAY THE SACRIFICE......And I do not but that Jesus and Gabriel in Dan. 12 are speaking about a Meat Sacrifice being TAKEN AWAY defiling the Temple, I think they are saying this False Prophet STOPS Jesus Worship in the Temple of God, and we know the Jews REPENT BEFORE the 1260 by looking at scriptures in Malachi 4:5-6 and Zechariah 13:89 and Zechariah 14:1. So, the 1/3 of the Jews who REPENT in Zechariah 13:8-9 do so JUST BEFORE the Zechariah 14:1 announcement that the DOTL has come!! In Malachi 4:5-6 we see that Elijah is sent back BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord, to turn Israel back to God. So, Israel REPENTS BEFORE the 1260 Event, which begins the DOTL. Thus this False Prophet at the 1290 is very irked that 35 million Jews are suddenly worshiping Jesus in the Temple of God, he thus FORBIDS THEM FROM WOSHIPING Jesus in the Temple (TAKES AWAY THE SACRIFICE........Which we all know is Jesus Christ, not some evil meat sacrifice). He then doubles down and places the IMAGE of the E.U. President (Beast) up in te Temple....................READ Rev. 13.................SEE BELOW

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

This False Prophet (Jewish High Preist) who looks like a man of God BUT speaks like a Dragon (he's Satanic) causes people to WORSHIP the Beasts (Places the AoD in the Temple) IMAGE.

So, naturally, if the Jews repent BEFORE the 1260, and they do, then the Two-witnesses, Elijah (Moses In guess) has to show up to turn them back unto God because Scriptures say that Elijah does this job in Malachi 4:5. So, the Two-witnesses are the 1335 BLESSING. What better blessing than 3-5 million people being led back unto God? There are other scriptures that show us this is correct, like the Two-witnesses DYING BEFORE the Beast dies, and both having 1260 day ordained offices on earth, thus we know they must die BEFORE the Beast dies also, and they do, at the 2nd Woe, whereas the Beast dies at the 7th Vial.

God gave NO CLUES as per to what the 1290 and 1335 were for a reason. If God had even hinted that it was a Jewish High Priest to come, the Pharisees and Jewish leaders would have killed every other High Priest over the next 500 years fearing he was THE ONE TO COME. Thus in 90 AD, John was only given this AFTER Jerusalem was sacked and the Jews toted off. So, there was a reason all we got was the 1290 and 1335.
 

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They were DEAD !! If they didn't have glorified bodies they must have STANK !!
Elijah didn't die, and Moses' body was buried. No body "stank".







So, my job is to try and understand God's scriptures in total, who/what could the 1290 and 1335 be? Well, it's not 1290 days into the 1000 year reign, that made no sense, it's not 30 days after the 1260 (which was the exact middle of the week) else Jerusalem would have been conquered for 30 days before God gave them the SIGN (AoD) to flee Judea, that made no sense. Well, I thought, could it be 1290 days BEFORE TESE WONDERS END? Just like the 1260 was? Then I saw the question Daniel asked was the exact same question the angel asked, and I was like, sure, that's what it has to be, God always has perfect symmetry. So my job n0w was to TEST THE SCRIPTURES to see if it fit.
Revelation has no 1335 days so you shouldn't try to force that there.





This False Prophet is the 1290, thus it can happen 30 days BEFORE the 1260 Conquering by the Anti-Christ.
That isn't found in either Daniel or Revelation.

Now which makes more sense? God WARNS the Jews to flee 30 days AFTER they are conquered?
The Jews aren't ever warned to flee. Christ only said that to his disciples and those Christians who read and believe what Jesus taught. Jews of Judaism believe he is a false prophet and should be ignored. The majority of them have never even read the NT.






This False Prophet (Jewish High Preist) who looks like a man of God BUT speaks like a Dragon (he's Satanic) causes people to WORSHIP the Beasts (Places the AoD in the Temple) IMAGE.
Most of that is also not in Revelation. It doesn't say he looks Jewish nor is a Jewish priest and doesn't say he looks like a man of God. It says he has two little lamb horns and horns in Revelation are symbolic of a king. I believe that means he is the 7th and 8th king mentioned in Revelation 17. Perhaps he is a peaceful king first, and then is a war king later, or perhaps he is a king secretly and then later becomes publicly a king. There are various theories on that but having little horns should immediately cause one to think of the little horn in Daniel:


Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.
 

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Elijah didn't die, and Moses' body was buried. No body "stank".
No Flesh and blood can enter heaven, of course, they have their Glorious bodies. When we are Raptured pre-trib, we will all DIE, that is what being CHANGED in the twinkling of an eye means. No one STANK because they have Glorious bodies.

That isn't found in either Daniel or Revelation.
Yes, it is, you just can't figure it out. The Woman in Rev. 12 has to be FIGURED OUT as being Israel. This is no different, you act like a book of codes can't be figured out and thus f we are given this in code not really a message from God even though Jesus explicitly told the Disciples the reason he spoke unto them in parables was so the world hearing would not understand and seeing would not see. Thus God telling Daniel these things will be LOCKED UP UNTIL THE END, which means exactly what it said.

Does God have to spell everything out for you? If so you are going to miss much. He never talks about the Trinity, but that i
The Jews aren't ever warned to flee. Christ only said that to his disciples and those Christians who read and believe what Jesus taught. Jews of Judaism believe he is a false prophet and should be ignored. The majority of them have never even read the NT.
s just common sense, if Jesus and God are ONE but also TWO and the Holy Spirit is likewise a separate persona, that makes them the Holy Trinity, three different personas with the EXACT SAME LIKENESS.

That isn't found in either Daniel or Revelation.
Again, it's just beyond your reach I guess. What can I say. People who can't understand the deep things are understandable. this was to only be revealed in the LAST DAYS, and thus some code like this is not going to be given to a SQUARE MINDED type guy, you have to be able to think outside the box as Einstein did sometimes.

No, he was speaking to the Jews, the Christians will be Raptured. I guess you have the Gentiles taking over for the Jews also !!

Most of that is also not in Revelation. It doesn't say he looks Jewish nor is a Jewish priest and doesn't say he looks like a man of God. It says he has two little lamb horns and horns in Revelation are symbolic of a king. I believe that means he is the 7th and 8th king mentioned in Revelation 17. Perhaps he is a peaceful king first, and then is a war king later, or perhaps he is a king secretly and then later becomes publicly a king. There are various theories on that but having little horns should immediately cause one to think of the little horn in Daniel:
It says he looks like a MAN OF GOD...........But talks like a DRAGON. We have the TWO TYPES in History, the reason you cab;t see these things is you are stuck in what people GUESSED before God decided to REVEAL His truths. Not being able to understand (as I failed to do for 30 years) that Jesus (Man in Linen) and Gabriel in Dan. 12 are not talking about a stupid and profane MEAT SACRIFICE being taken away, that would PROFANE NOTHING, it's already profane !! It's just common sense, once the Holy Spirit whispered this to me I got it right away, I said, OF COURSE, the other way just utterly makes not one iota of sense. How can taking away that which God sees as PROFANE nake the Temple PROFANE? But taking away the right to Worship Jesus THE ONE TRUE SACRIFICE would indeed be a Prafane thing.

There is no 8th King, the 8th is a Demon named Apollyon who has NO KINGDOM on this earth, thus he's the King of the Bottomless Pit. The 7th is the Anti-Christ. Hes not PEACEFUL, he just uses PEACE to DESTROY says Dan. 8:25. He is a High Priest, maybe you should read about Antiochus and Jason.

Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. Little horn is the antichrist.

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast. False prophet is the antichrist.
There are no 10 horns, that is a number that represents COMPLETENESS, thus the 10 just means ALL EUROPE that is DIVIDED as Iron and Clay id divided. So, the 10 come up FIRST, which means Europe reunites, that may be 20 nations or 27 or whatsoever the number is or was, then the Little Horn ARISES AMIDST THEM, means he is born in Europe, and COMES TO POWER.

So, here is a play by play of that............The Rome Council met in the 50s and agreed to form the European United States. This came together slowly over the next 25 years or so, this Anti-Christ was born in Greece ( it can only be Greece) and thus ARISES to power amongst THEM (The COMPLETE E.U. Nations).
 

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No Flesh and blood can enter heaven, of course,
Actually that is not found in the bible at all.


When we are Raptured pre-trib, we will all DIE, that is what being CHANGED in the twinkling of an eye means.
The people who are raptured do not die.

(ERV) But listen, I tell you this secret: We will not all die, but we will all be changed.




It says he looks like a MAN OF GOD...........
No it does not.





There is no 8th King
Of course there is:

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.





There are no 10 horns
You really don't know anything about the book of Revelation. Almost everything in your post is biblically false.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
 

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Actually that is not found in the bible at all.
WOW......Really?

1 Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

This means THE CHANGING in the twinkling of an eye is the Raptured SHEDDING our physical body and going to heaven as Spirit men.

The people who are raptured do not die.

(ERV) But listen, I tell you this secret: We will not all die, but we will all be changed.
FOLLOW ME HERE.........ABOVE.........It says Flesh and Blood CAN NOT enter Heaven, IT DOES, and it says CORRUPTION (Sin Flesh) can not inherit INCORRUPTION (Heaven). That is what it means, our SIN FLESH can not inherit Heaven. Jesus told Mary TOUCHE ME NOT, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father [to offer the Sacrifice]. Mary, just touching Jesus would have DEFILED the offering !!

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

((( Do you see that the Dead in Christ are RAISED as Spirit mem above? This is VERY IMPORTANT !! )))

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

We shall not ALL SLLEP in the Grave, and then be RAISED as Spirit Men like the Dead are, notice that the Dead in Christ are RAISED without CORRUPTION, that means WITHOUT SIN FLESH !! As Spirit Men like verse 44 says, they are sown in a Natural body and RAISED in a Spiritual boy. Thus we can;t go straight to heaven with these CORRUPT SIN FLESH BODIES, so we have to be CHANGED, which means we simply shed our Sin Flesh NATURAL BODIES (WE DIE) and go to Heaven as Spirit men, because our corruptible spirits can not inherit Heaven (which of course is incorruptible). Notice when it says WE WILL BE CHANGED...........................Right after saying the Dead [in Christ) shall be raised without corruption [as Spirit men], then BOOM, it says WE CHANGE...........It simply means we die and go to Heaven as Spirit men brother.

You truly do not know how to interpret these things, you have no business trying to because if you can't interpret that one, you will never understand the book of Revelation, Daniel, etc. What is TALKS LIKE A Dragon the opposite of? A Godly man, how hard is that to decipher my brother? You go all around the roses to try to dodge facts. A Lamb represents purification, the Lamb of God, the two horns represent someone having power from God. BUT he speaks as a Dragon means he is appearing as a Man of God but speaking after the ways of Satan. The scriptures are crying out, DECEPTION, DECEPTION, DECEPTION.

Of course there is:

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
That is because once again you do not understand how to interpret these things. There are 7 Mountains of Power NOT 8. We could say Satan is a 9th King couldn't we, but the 7 Headed Beast is about TIHS WORLD and the Kings over Israel in the PHYSICAL SENSE. This Scarlet Colored Beast named Apollyon is a king of the Bottomless Pit, so he is an 8th king, but that kingdom has no lace on this earth, thus he has NO CROWNS in Rev. 17, meanwhile, both the Dragon in Rev. 12 (7 CROWNS) and the Anti-Christ in Rev. 13 (10 CROWNS) have Crowns on this earth that they are over. This man is UNDER Satan, so he can have NO CROWN on this earth, but he has a crown via the Bottomless Pit, thus he is an 8th and is OF the 7 in that he was a Demon Satan placed over the region, then God locked him in the pit for nigh 2000 years. He will be released at the first woe.

So, if Maui Maui had 7 Kings in 7 Years and there was a king who flew in from Alaska, and he was the king of the Juneau area, and someone wrote he is an 8th while talking about the 7 kings of Maui, would he be a king of Maui? NO......It's a figure of speech, it bit in place as a riddle so the world will be confused. Seems to confused you also.

You really don't know anything about the book of Revelation. Almost everything in your post is biblically false.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
You do not have a clue how to interpret these things, ALL OVER THE BIBLE, the number 10 is a STAND-IN for completeness, and you do not know that !!

Tell me, what do you think it means in Rev. 2:10 where it says Smyrna will have tribulation for 10 days? Do you really not understand that means for the COMPLETE Church Age? Do you not get that the TEN COMMANDMENTS is a STAND-IN for all God's Righteous Laws? The 10 Virgins is a STAND-IN for the whole Church, the 5 are how mane is Raptured. That means 50 percent are going to miss the Rapture. The 10 Horns is a stand-in for ALL DIVIDED Europe. That number of course changed every few years as kingdoms came and went. There were 27 nations with England, now it's fewer, but the 10 Still means ALL Europe.

All you know is what you learned, you can't seemingly hear the voice of the Holy Spirit and what He is whispering day, all you LEARNED Blocks what He is trying to say, and it's not just you, its many others who are in the same boat.
 

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WOW......Really?

1 Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
You said "enter". Where is the word enter in that verse? If I enter a Walmart do I get to inherit it?



FOLLOW ME HERE.........ABOVE.........It says Flesh and Blood CAN NOT enter Heaven
No, it does not say that. No scripture says that.





You truly do not know how to interpret these things, you have no business trying to because if you can't interpret that one, you will never understand the book of Revelation, Daniel, etc.
This actually applies to you not me.


A Godly man, how hard is that to decipher my brother?
That isn't found in Revelation. You have made that up using your own circular logic. I stopped reading here because what's the point when everything is wrong and not even found in the bible.