[for me anyway] it is evident that our nation is in the midst of the final stage of downfall (v28), having heartily welcomed the first two stages (24,26), and now it is only a matter of time til its downfall: for God has given up on it, and turned it over to a reprobate mind, a mind of depravity; and except the masses repent as did Nineveh in the days of Jonah, there is no more to be done.
ROMANS 1
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Romans would have been written to a mainly Gentile church in Rome not Jewish. Paul is speaking to both and switches back from one to the other several times.
Nothing in the word of God is to be discounted as just stuff. That stuff sets the context which is vital to correct understanding of the content.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Nothing in the word of God is to be discounted as just stuff. That stuff sets the context which is vital to correct understanding of the content.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We have no way of knowing the proportion of gentiles to Jews in the Church, so that is a false statement.
The Romans 1-11, minus the introductory stuff, is about apostate Jewry.
It is of course written for all, but its primary focus, and indeed, primary audience, is the Jews.
Yes, 1-8 is important, but it is largely introductory. Paul hits the ground running in verse 9.
The Romans 1-11, minus the introductory stuff, is about apostate Jewry.
It is of course written for all, but its primary focus, and indeed, primary audience, is the Jews.
Yes, 1-8 is important, but it is largely introductory. Paul hits the ground running in verse 9.
The focus is never on the flesh of men as that seen as if we did wrestles against flesh and blood and killing the outward perceived enemy as if it would have something to do with the gospel . It not out of sight out of mind as a faith principle . That doctrine of men was reformed.
Its written to whosoever has ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches. Not natural unconverted man .. can't separate the truth of God from the same truth and apply it to one nation. Our heavenly father is the father on many nations. Not one.
The fact that he corrupted this creation should be enough to show his wrath is still being revealed from heaven .
Its written to whosoever has ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches. Not natural unconverted man .. can't separate the truth of God from the same truth and apply it to one nation. Our heavenly father is the father on many nations. Not one.
The fact that he corrupted this creation should be enough to show his wrath is still being revealed from heaven .
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I honestly don't know how the whole world is doing. I know First-World nations have, in large, turned their backs on the Lord, but I have no idea what God is doing for Second-World and Third-World nations.
Nineveh was saved after Jonah visited, but then it reverted. I know this because it is gone.
Israel was saved, and then reverted.
God went to China before it was China, and went to Italy before there was Rome. At one point in time, the Italians, (before they were called Italians), knew and honored Jove. (Jove was their word for Jehovah.) And the Chinese, before they were Chinese knew and honored Ja. (Their word for Jehovah.) Now look at these nations. They turned their back.
All of these things took a very long time to happen. Rome took hundreds of years to fall. So did Israel. Germany had a Great Awakening in the 15th century. Down the tubes -- twice -- in the 20th century.
The bigger question, as I see it is, are our nations Nineveh at the time of Jonah or much later? Only the Lord know.
BUT he will always have himself a people -- a remnant. And we shall come from all nations! And, dagnabit, he wants us to be good stewards and pass along what we know of him for those who do not know. We ARE soldiers, and we're not in boot camp anymore! (At least, most of us.)
Nineveh was saved after Jonah visited, but then it reverted. I know this because it is gone.
Israel was saved, and then reverted.
God went to China before it was China, and went to Italy before there was Rome. At one point in time, the Italians, (before they were called Italians), knew and honored Jove. (Jove was their word for Jehovah.) And the Chinese, before they were Chinese knew and honored Ja. (Their word for Jehovah.) Now look at these nations. They turned their back.
All of these things took a very long time to happen. Rome took hundreds of years to fall. So did Israel. Germany had a Great Awakening in the 15th century. Down the tubes -- twice -- in the 20th century.
The bigger question, as I see it is, are our nations Nineveh at the time of Jonah or much later? Only the Lord know.
BUT he will always have himself a people -- a remnant. And we shall come from all nations! And, dagnabit, he wants us to be good stewards and pass along what we know of him for those who do not know. We ARE soldiers, and we're not in boot camp anymore! (At least, most of us.)
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A different sense than I was saying. Inside of me is a place called "Lynnie LaLaLand." My family named it when I was a child, because it is where I am when I am staring at someone without noticing he/she is there.
Lynnie LaLaLand only has one human in it part time -- me. Thus it is not a nation peopled with men. lol
Lynnie LaLaLand only has one human in it part time -- me. Thus it is not a nation peopled with men. lol
