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john832

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The law cannot condemn you if there is no penalty attached for breaking it
Do you ever have a wrong thought cross your mind?
Of course. You seem to be going off at a tangent, who knows where it will take you
You don't seem to understand that is a sin and unless repented of and forgiven, it brings death.

You seem to think there is no penalty for sin. Strangely enough, Christ thought there was, He DIED to pay that penalty.
 
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Again, a complete misunderstanding of scripture...

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

Or do you think that Paul lied?
If you understood Rom 7, you would have different opinions than you do now. But then, you believe Paul is talking as a Christian in verses 7-11 of that chapter. And you accuse me of misunderstanding scripture?
 
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You don't seem to understand that is a sin and unless repented of and forgiven, it brings death.

You seem to think there is no penalty for sin. Strangely enough, Christ thought there was, He DIED to pay that penalty.
Christ died to pay the penalty of our sin, therefore the penalty of sin has been removed from the born again Christians life.

If Christ died to pay the penalty of your sin, you are secure with God despite your imperfections

I don't mean to be rude, but please, you need to grasp more than you do, otherwise there is little point in continuing here
 

john832

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Are you going to produce a post of mine that states what you claim? Or are you going to apologise for saying I state what I do not?
Or don't you think an apology is necessary for claiming I state what I do not?
Must a Christian keep the Ten Commandments?

Pretty simple question, can be answered yes or no.
 

john832

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Christ died to pay the penalty of our sin, therefore the penalty of sin has been removed from the born again Christians life.

If Christ died to pay the penalty of your sin, you are secure with God despite your imperfections

I don't mean to be rude, but please, you need to grasp more than you do, otherwise there is little point in continuing here
You completely misunderstand that does not cover future sin.
 
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Must a Christian keep the Ten Commandments?

Pretty simple question, can be answered yes or no.
Nine of the ten are written on my mind and placed on my heart. They should be reflected in the Christians life. Do we perfectly reflect them in our lives, I do not, do you?

Now how about that apology. I know it takes a bit of humility, but you will feel better for it afterwards
 

john832

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Christ died to pay the penalty of our sin, therefore the penalty of sin has been removed from the born again Christians life.

If Christ died to pay the penalty of your sin, you are secure with God despite your imperfections

I don't mean to be rude, but please, you need to grasp more than you do, otherwise there is little point in continuing here
You need to grasp the fact that you can fall from grace. That disobedience must be repented of and forgiven.
 

john832

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Nine of the ten are written on my mind and placed on my heart. They should be reflected in the Christians life. Do we perfectly reflect them in our lives, I do not, do you?

Now how about that apology. I know it takes a bit of humility, but you will feel better for it afterwards
Oh, so that one Law is not in place eh? why would I apologize to one who denies that the fourth Commandment is in effect?
 
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You completely misunderstand that does not cover future sin.[/QUOTE]

Paul states the Christian IS NOT UNDER LAW. They have a righteousness apart from observing the law before God. What is the consequences of failing to observe the law? Sin! Therefore, the Christian has a righteousness before God apart from the sin in their life/their failure to obey the law. Therefore, Jesus died for all their sins, past, present and future, therefore the penalty of sin has been removed from their life.

That should be unarguable
 

john832

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Nine of the ten are written on my mind and placed on my heart. They should be reflected in the Christians life. Do we perfectly reflect them in our lives, I do not, do you?

Now how about that apology. I know it takes a bit of humility, but you will feel better for it afterwards
So you can decide which Laws are in effect and which are not?
 
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Oh, so that one Law is not in place eh? why would I apologize to one who denies that the fourth Commandment is in effect?
Of course you cannot apologise, you follow the letter.......
 

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2 Corinthians 3:7-18
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

This can't be reasoned out. It can't be explained, one to another. Only when you come to the Lord is the vail taken away. Hebrews 8:11

Ephesians 1:17-23

[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

What is the Sabbath in the New Testament?
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Its not a day. Its a gift from the Lord Jesus Christ. (Ephesians 2)
 

john832

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You completely misunderstand that does not cover future sin.[/QUOTE]

Paul states the Christian IS NOT UNDER LAW. They have a righteousness apart from observing the law before God. What is the consequences of failing to observe the law? Sin! Therefore, the Christian has a righteousness before God apart from the sin in their life/their failure to obey the law. Therefore, Jesus died for all their sins, past, present and future, therefore the penalty of sin has been removed from their life.

That should be unarguable
Are you saying that the Law does not apply to a Christian? About that apology, you just stated that the Law is not in effect for a Christian.

I believe that the apology should come form you.
 
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So you can decide which Laws are in effect and which are not?
Nope, if the fourth was placed within me, I would have to have heartfelt conviction I sinned by refusing to observe it, I do not.
 
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Are you saying that the Law does not apply to a Christian?
This is ridiculous, you have been answered many times. Either it is too hard for you to grasp, or you are being very silly. Either way, I will leave you to it. I hope one day you come to a proper understanding of the new covenant
 

john832

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Nope, if the fourth was placed within me, I would have to have heartfelt conviction I sinned by refusing to observe it, I do not.
So, when Christ said this...

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

You just figured that it didn't apply to you?

So the fourth one is done away?
 

john832

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Please produce a post of mine where I have stated the law itself is removed from the believers life.

Thank you
Are you going to produce a post of mine that states what you claim? Or are you going to apologise for saying I state what I do not?
Or don't you think an apology is necessary for claiming I state what I do not?
Nope, if the fourth was placed within me, I would have to have heartfelt conviction I sinned by refusing to observe it, I do not.
This Law shouldn't be observed huh? Well there's your post, I didn't have to go very far to find it.