Salvation includes deliverance “from the wrath to come”

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so when matt 24 :26-30 happen ? In the first century or not happen yet?

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Fulfilled by 70 ad.

This describes the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome.

Jesus came and destroyed Jerusalem, but it was not a resurrection coming.

The rapt/resurrection coming has not happened yet.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

70ad until the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel.

The language is symbolic,

The sun is the Law, and the moon is the Prophets, the lights of God's word become unavailable due to Jerusalem's destruction.

The stars falling are Israelites who die.

The powers shaken, is the "scattering of the power of the holy people" Dan 12:7.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

This sign is the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel after the times of the gentiles end.

 

[abcdef]

No need to go further, this is not something that can be rightly divided, for a voice told John not to write them down.

Well, I guess you really don't want to know, or are afraid to look at the scriptures to find an answer.

 

[beastslayer1970]

Well, I guess you really don't want to know, or are afraid to look at the scriptures to find an answer.

Not at all afraid, but will not butcher scripture to fit a doctrine in it that does not fit. If a voice of from Heaven said seal up what they spoke, man cannot interpret that.

 

[Jackson123]

Fulfilled by 70 ad.

This describes the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome.

Jesus came and destroyed Jerusalem, but it was not a resurrection coming.

The rapt/resurrection coming has not happened yet.




70ad until the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel.

The language is symbolic,

The sun is the Law, and the moon is the Prophets, the lights of God's word become unavailable due to Jerusalem's destruction.

The stars falling are Israelites who die.

The powers shaken, is the "scattering of the power of the holy people" Dan 12:7.




This sign is the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel after the times of the gentiles end.

So when verse 30 not happen yet or already happen?

 

[abcdef]

Not at all afraid,

Apparently you are afraid to hear what I have to say or afraid to study the scriptures surrounding this passage.

but will not butcher scripture to fit a doctrine in it that does not fit.

What doctrine is that?

If a voice of from Heaven said seal up what they spoke, man cannot interpret that.

It says that they are sealed, but will they be sealed forever? Or is it something to be unsealed at the right time?

 

[abcdef]

So when verse 30 not happen yet or already happen?

Israel was restored to military control over Jerusalem in 1967.

So I would say that this sign happened then, 1967.

 

[Locutus]

1948, 1967 are a sign of nothing - except futurist desperation....

 

[MarcR]

Fulfilled by 70 ad.

This describes the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome.

Jesus came and destroyed Jerusalem, but it was not a resurrection coming.

The rapt/resurrection coming has not happened yet.




70ad until the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel.

The language is symbolic,

The sun is the Law, and the moon is the Prophets, the lights of God's word become unavailable due to Jerusalem's destruction.

The stars falling are Israelites who die.

The powers shaken, is the "scattering of the power of the holy people" Dan 12:7.




This sign is the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel after the times of the gentiles end.

This is an example of allegorical interpretation of Scripture. IMO this is not symbolism it is pure invention.

This is what was practiced in Alexandria; and led to all kinds of heresy and eventually to the invention of the Roman Catholic Church. Definitely BAD PRACTICE!!!!

 

[abcdef]

1948, 1967 are a sign of nothing - except futurist desperation....

Brother Locutus,

Do you have a scripture for that? ha ha.

Remember, I agree with you about the dest of Jeru in many places,

But things didn't end there, prophecies didn't end there.

The times of the gentiles trampling of Jerusalem didn't end in 70 ad.

It continued long after that.

 

[Snoozy]

This is an example of allegorical interpretation of Scripture. IMO this is not symbolism it is pure invention.

This is what was practiced in Alexandria; and led to all kinds of heresy and eventually to the invention of the Roman Catholic Church. Definitely BAD PRACTICE!!!!

yeah i feel anyone can invent whatever they want.

i think the sun is ___ the moon is ____ lights is ____ stars falling is ____

just enter whatever u want

 

[abcdef]

This is an example of allegorical interpretation of Scripture. IMO this is not symbolism it is pure invention.

This is what was practiced in Alexandria; and led to all kinds of heresy and eventually to the invention of the Roman Catholic Church. Definitely BAD PRACTICE!!!!

I'm going to disagree with you on this brother.

The symbolism of the light-dark, sun-moon, waters and earth, Israel as the stars (Rev 12:1-2), etc, are seen in prophecies throughout the Bible.

Are you saying that there is no symbolism in the Bible?

 

[abcdef]

yeah i feel anyone can invent whatever they want.

i think the sun is ___ the moon is ____ lights is ____ stars falling is ____

just enter whatever u want

This is just not true.

The understanding of the symbols is taken from OT examples.

Look at the symbolism in the OT.

Scorpions, the sting of sin is death.

Light, God's word is a lamp unto my feet.

God is the fountain of blessings, the origin of the river of life.

Living waters.

 

[Jackson123]

Israel was restored to military control over Jerusalem in 1967.

So I would say that this sign happened then, 1967.

so you believe verse 30 happen in 1967

Matt 24:30

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I never hear Jesus come oN the cloud happen in 1967,

is all the earth mourn in 1967?

at least Israel not mourn then, they win, they Happy, not mourn

your believe is not inline with the bible brother.

 

[beastslayer1970]

What doctrine is that?

Allegorical interpretation.

 

[abcdef]

Allegorical interpretation.

So it seems that you are saying,

That there is absolutely NO symbolism in the Bible, Is that what you are saying?

None, Zero, no symbolism at all?

 

[MarcR]

I'm going to disagree with you on this brother.

The symbolism of the light-dark, sun-moon, waters and earth, Israel as the stars (Rev 12:1-2), etc, are seen in prophecies throughout the Bible.

Are you saying that there is no symbolism in the Bible?

There is a great deal of symbolism in the scripture. It ALWAYS calls attention to itself with words like [ is like, sign, mystery, etc.]. When these flag words are absent, literal interpretation is expected.

 

[abcdef]

so you believe verse 30 happen in 1967

Matt 24:30

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Yes

I never hear Jesus come oN the cloud happen in 1967,

He did not come then, it was the sign of His coming, the restoration of Israel.

is all the earth mourn in 1967?

Everyone who hates Israel, yes.

at least Israel not mourn then, they win, they Happy, not mourn

Israel is restored to Jerusalem, very joyful for Israel.

your believe is not inline with the bible brother.

A wise man waits to see the end of the matter.

 

[abcdef]

There is a great deal of symbolism in the scripture. It ALWAYS calls attention to itself with words like [ is like, sign, mystery, etc.]. When these flag words are absent, literal interpretation is expected.

Matt 24:29, "and the stars shall fall from heaven"

Literal, or symbolic?

Literal, All the stars, giant suns, (our sun is a star), from every galaxy, come to earth and fall from the sky.

Symbolic, The stars represent Israelites. Rev 12:1-2.

 

[Locutus]

Brother Locutus,

Do you have a scripture for that? ha ha.

Remember, I agree with you about the dest of Jeru in many places,

But things didn't end there, prophecies didn't end there.

The times of the gentiles trampling of Jerusalem didn't end in 70 ad.

It continued long after that.

The "times of the Gentiles" was a specific period AB, and it ended in 70 AD - physical Jerusalem was a type of the true spiritual Jerusalem, the nation a type of the people of God in Christ - all of Israel's feasts were types - this cannot be argued with.

When Christ came the scepter of Judah passed to him the rightful owner, then Judah's type was replaced by the true, this is what Jacob said:


Gen 49:1 And Jacob called his sons and said, “Gather together, that I may tell you what shall befall you in the last days:
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Gen 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.

Gen 49:10 and Deu 18:15 is called to remembrance by Peter:

Deu 18:15 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,

Acts 3:22 KJV) For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 3:23 “For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you.

Read also the same from Stephen in Acts 7:37

Acts 3:24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days.

So, your problem AB and that of all futurist "theologies" is that Peter is stating that all of the prophets spoke of the days he was living in - not some days lasting for 1970 years and counting, so Peter's statement demolishes all these futurists theories.

The nation of Israel served it's purpose and that purpose ended in 70 AD.

This morbid obsession with that dirt based city and a long dead nation of God is nothing more than Israeli tourettes syndrome and full preterism is the only cure....

 

[beastslayer1970]

So it seems that you are saying,

That there is absolutely NO symbolism in the Bible, Is that what you are saying?

None, Zero, no symbolism at all?

Symbolism is not allegory, you sir, practice is allegory.