Should we be praying for our wicked country and its wicked wicked leadership? I think tje bible says yes

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Platosgal

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I have spent weeks praying for the demise of our country's leadership.
But today, I have been convicted pray for their salvation. I believe Jesus said to pray for our enemies, but man oh man is it tough. What say you? Pray for leaders in the media? Pray for my Govener( a very wicked man) But pray FOR them?
 
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I Timothy chapter 2

[1] I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
[2] For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
[3] For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
[4] Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
[6] Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
 

JaumeJ

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I have spent weeks praying for the demise of our country's leadership.
But today, I have been convicted pray for their salvation. I believe Jesus said to pray for our enemies, but man oh man is it tough. What say you? Pray for leaders in the media? Pray for my Govener( a very wicked man) But pray FOR them?
We must pray for all people. To hope for the demise of anyone is not taught by the Gospel of our Savior.

Do not pray for what unrepeated sinners do, for that would be participating with them. Pray for their souls and repentance.
 

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I have spent weeks praying for the demise of our country's leadership.
But today, I have been convicted pray for their salvation. I believe Jesus said to pray for our enemies, but man oh man is it tough. What say you? Pray for leaders in the media? Pray for my Govener( a very wicked man) But pray FOR them?
Praise the Lord but keep the ammunition dry.
In the same way...
Pray for your leaders but always know who your True Leader is.
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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The psalms have several wonderful prayers called imprecatory psalms. I prays these with the caveat that God drive them to repentance.
So I pray that their wickedness cause them all manner of suffering but that the end goal is that they repent.
 

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I have spent weeks praying for the demise of our country's leadership.
But today, I have been convicted pray for their salvation. I believe Jesus said to pray for our enemies, but man oh man is it tough. What say you? Pray for leaders in the media? Pray for my Govener( a very wicked man) But pray FOR them?
It shows you have a good heart and a beautiful witness.
 

phil36

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I would agree - pray that God give our leaders wisdom, and that they heed that wisdom. As noted above in (1 Tim 2:1-6;8).
 
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I have spent weeks praying for the demise of our country's leadership.
But today, I have been convicted pray for their salvation. I believe Jesus said to pray for our enemies, but man oh man is it tough. What say you? Pray for leaders in the media? Pray for my Govener( a very wicked man) But pray FOR them?
We should pray for our leaders as well as all people that they would see the truth.

Many people fight over Republican and Democrat but they do not realize that they are working together to bring the people together.

E Pluribus Unum- out of many, one.

America is the key to the nations coming together that will rebel against the truth.

On the back of the dollar bill, announcing the conception of a new order of the ages.

The only way a global government can start off is by a balance between socialism and democracy.

America set up 2 opposing forces for it gets everyone involved for they will choose a side, and then the opposing forces start cooperating with each other and come together in harmony and it brings the people together.

Donald Trump and Barack Obama are actually working together.

Republicans represent the Democracy side and Democrats the socialist side.

It is time to go forward with the plan to establish Agenda 21 among all city governments and federal governments

It is time to put all people equal and in harmony, and knock down the white people and lift the minorities up.

Part of Agenda 21 is to ban the police and communities all participate to fight crime in their communities.

BLM is pushing Agenda 21 and feel the only way there can be equality is to have socialism as they push a socialist agenda and Donald Trump to stir up the conservatives so they will clash with each other so they can have the solution to harmonize the people for peace but it is really to gear the Americans for the global government to come which United Nations wants all governments to be Agenda 21 compatible by 2030.

The coronavirus is an excuse to give them a vaccination that will not work out as well as they thought which is what they want so they can give them nanotechnology so they can start tracking the people which will condition them for the mark of the beast a better tracking system by a microchip linked to satellite with all information about them on the chip including finances for no person can buy or sell without the chip.

Part of Agenda 21 is to move all people out of the rural areas and in to the cities and no development can happen outside city limits where they can track them and all eyes on the streets by way of technology and the people work together to prevent crime.

They will take away all division between people to put them all equal and will collapse the economy on purpose.

The kingdom to come is more important to them than money and they will spend their last dime to cause it to come about.

The stimulus checks is a pattern for basic income when the economy collapses which America has been sending money to other nations to help them out.

They also have to have a balance between atheism and spirituality, religion, which is the new age movement which is atheist but spiritual for they believe they are still evolving to be spiritual.

That is why America started teaching evolution in school.

The new age movement the beginning of the end.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints of the new age movement, and their interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual provided by the New Age Christ, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher and love, and the Christ conscience came upon him, and he evolved to be an ascended master, and believe in no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, the evolutionary process, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and they believe the Christ conscience will come upon him, and he will evolve to be greater than Jesus, and share this power with all people who follow him.

They will forbid to marry for a man and a woman for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats, reverence of nature, mother earth.

The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God where they will take the mark of the beast, and then repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world, and God will end sin on earth, and have His people will Him.

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables(2 Timothy 4:2-4).

The time will come when the world will not want to hear the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their own lusts the new age movement.

The New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and work as a great man of peace, and push the agenda of the new age movement in the world to prepare the world for when he claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and evolving, and will share this power with all people who follow him.

They would go forth with their plan and then pause or step back a little, and then go forward and pause or step back a little, but now they are going full steam ahead with establishing Agenda 21 in the nation to prepare the people for the global government to come.

Agenda 21, 179 nations agreed to it in 1992 with the target date for 2000 but now 2030.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

Russia and America were actually working together all the while wanting people to think they were 2 opposing forces.

The global government will be a harmony between socialism and democracy like a soft communism or a hard democracy.

America is the key to the global government to come and will probably appear as the heroes of the world as they help the world with food and clothing and help to vaccinate the world.

But we still have to pray for our leaders as well as all people that they would see the truth.
 

CS1

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I have spent weeks praying for the demise of our country's leadership.
But today, I have been convicted pray for their salvation. I believe Jesus said to pray for our enemies, but man oh man is it tough. What say you? Pray for leaders in the media? Pray for my Governor( a very wicked man) But pray FOR them?
we should never pray for their demise ut asking God to remove them and give us Godly leaders is appropriate. We can pray for their salvation and repentance yet they can still be held accountable to the laws of the land too.

A great example of my state CA. We have recalled our Governor. We have prayed and yet we followed the laws of the land to have him removed. in Ca over 800,000 families have left CA and they said this would be over the next 5 to 10 years. Wrong !. 650,000 left in 2019.
I too would have left but God kept me here. Now we are on the verge of what looks like a revival. The "woke " has produced a "Broke" and false narrative that many are seeing as a lie. The canceled culture has turned out to have CLOWNED CULTURE.


God is the first to truly cancel a culture He canceled Sodom and Gomorrah and he canceled Noah's generation

BUT God also canceled our SIN! Bless His Holy name!. Calvery Sin was canceled, death was canceled, Hell was canceled.


WE need to get back to let the world know Jesus took unto Himself and canceled the culture of sin.
 
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The Eastern Orthodox Church (of USA) does pray for the president and for the army of the country, like this:

Deacon: For the President of the United States and all civil authorities, and for our armed forces everywhere, let us pray to the Lord.
Choir: Lord, have mercy.

I know this is a very delicate debate (the Church and the politicians), at least in Romania it is. I do not wish to argue about this. I know both those that agree with this 'marriage' as well as those who disagree have their fair points.
 
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I have spent weeks praying for the demise of our country's leadership.
But today, I have been convicted pray for their salvation. I believe Jesus said to pray for our enemies, but man oh man is it tough. What say you? Pray for leaders in the media? Pray for my Govener( a very wicked man) But pray FOR them?
The Eastern Orthodox Church (of USA) does pray for the president and for the army of the country, like this:

Deacon: For the President of the United States and all civil authorities, and for our armed forces everywhere, let us pray to the Lord.
Choir: Lord, have mercy.

I know this is a very delicate debate (the Church and the politicians), at least in Romania it is. I do not wish to argue about this. I know both those that agree with this 'marriage' as well as those who disagree have their fair points.
I have spent weeks praying for the demise of our country's leadership.
But today, I have been convicted pray for their salvation. I believe Jesus said to pray for our enemies, but man oh man is it tough. What say you? Pray for leaders in the media? Pray for my Govener( a very wicked man) But pray FOR them?
This president is far better than the idiot you had before
 

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The Eastern Orthodox Church (of USA) does pray for the president and for the army of the country, like this:

Deacon: For the President of the United States and all civil authorities, and for our armed forces everywhere, let us pray to the Lord.
Choir: Lord, have mercy.

I know this is a very delicate debate (the Church and the politicians), at least in Romania it is. I do not wish to argue about this. I know both those that agree with this 'marriage' as well as those who disagree have their fair points.
It is very interesting that on the one hand we are to pray and pay taxes for the government and on the other hand Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not of this world". It does sound like dual citizenship, with the priority going to the eternal one.
 

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It all depends on what you mean by "demise." If you mean they simply leave office or are thrown out of office for some reason, okay. I'm sure you didn't mean they get a serious illness or die [hopefully not :)].

I've prayed lots of times that God would raise up wise governors. Implied in this is the hope that some of the clowns who now hold office would be defeated at the ballot box.
 

CS1

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It all depends on what you mean by "demise." If you mean they simply leave office or are thrown out of office for some reason, okay. I'm sure you didn't mean they get a serious illness or die [hopefully not :)].

I've prayed lots of times that God would raise up wise governors. Implied in this is the hope that some of the clowns who now hold office would be defeated at the ballot box.

de·mise


definition :

noun

  1. 1.
    a person's death.
 
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It is very interesting that on the one hand we are to pray and pay taxes for the government and on the other hand Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not of this world". It does sound like dual citizenship, with the priority going to the eternal one.
The prayer is oriented towards the kingdom of God. In another moment of the Divine Liturgy, it is the priest who asks God to remember them in His kingdom:

Priest: The President of the United States and all civil authorities and our armed forces everywhere: may the Lord God remember them in His kingdom always, now and ever and unto ages of ages.
Choir: Amen.
 
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I doubt any of the first Christians were praying for "Saul" who persecuted them. But after he was converted, they loved him.

We hate our enemies, but would love them if they would only be converted and be more like Jesus.

So, pray for their conversion. But even that ... for me, I never find myself praying for my enemies. I just recognize them as enemies and let God sort them out later. (And that may be a failing on my part for sure.)
 

CS1

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I doubt any of the first Christians were praying for "Saul" who persecuted them. But after he was converted, they loved him.

We hate our enemies, but would love them if they would only be converted and be more like Jesus.

So, pray for their conversion. But even that ... for me, I never find myself praying for my enemies. I just recognize them as enemies and let God sort them out later. (And that may be a failing on my part for sure.)
lol, not all loved him the Pharisees hated him for converting.