should we isolate ourselves from unbelievers?

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basketgirl77

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if we isolate ourselves from them, we won't be like influenced by them, right?
 
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We can only hang around with the world is if it on God's terms and not on their terms engaging in sin.

You would not isolate yourself from your parents or relatives if they were unbelievers and you could go to dinner with them but if they engage in sin do not hang around them or participate in that sin.

We can hang around the world as long as it is on God's terms but do not hang around the world if it is on their terms engaging in sin.

If my brother were an unbeliever I would not stay away from him but if he is engaging in sin I will not hang around him or participate in that sin but if he wanted to go to the mall participating in no sin it would be alright.

Matt
 
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Shwagga

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Hopefully we can influence them and not the reverse effect. Pray and go by what God tells you.
 
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lighthousejohn

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if we isolate ourselves from them, we won't be like influenced by them, right?
How can we witness to them irf we don't associate with them?

My ministry was to sinners of every kind; Prostitutes, drug addicts, alcoholics, gang members, drug dealers and manufacturers and street kids. I associated with them, I talked to them about their lives and what was important to them. In other words, I invested time in them; sometimes for months witout ever opening my Bible or mentioning God. In Two years time, I led over rforty people to Christ and baptised thirty-one. I did not participate in their sin, in fact they often stopped using profanity and drinking in my presence out of respect for me.

Personal; witnessing is just that, sharing the gospel face to face. If we are prayed up and following the Holy Spirit, He will lead us and protect us.

In Christ,
John
 
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Saint

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if we isolate ourselves from them, we won't be like influenced by them, right?
And then we could not influence them. Jesus went to diners with sinners, talked and listened to them, and so on. Now, it is true that bad company corrupts good character (1 Corinthians 15:33) but only if you're influence is not there to change them. For instance, to hang out with a non-Christian at a bar could corrupt your character, witnessing to a non-Christian in a bar could purify his character.
 

phil36

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Paul covers this topic in 1 Corinthians 5:9vv. The Corinthians had misunderstood what Paul was saying in a previous letter, and he is now clarifying that we are not to seclude ourselves from those of the world, but we are not to fellowship with those hwo proclaim the Faith yet are sexually immoral, greedy etc.

9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Blessings

Phil
 
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Ricke

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II Corinthians 6 v 14-18

Be not unequally yoke together with UNBELIEVERS; for what fellowship has Righteousness with Unrighteouness? And what communion has Light with darkness?

And what concord has Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that beleives within INFIDEL?

And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said; I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and BE YE SEPARATE saith The Lord, and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you.

And will be a Father unto you, and you shall be my Sons and Daughters; saith The Lord Almighty." Amen
 

phil36

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The command is literally Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. The verb heterozygew is an agricultural term that refers to the practice of yoking to a plow too unequal kinds of animals such as an ox and a donkey. This would suggest that unequal associations betoeen Christians and non-Christians are what Paul specifically has in mind. Five synonyms are employed to describe the kinds of associations that are forbidden. Metoche ("have in common"), found nowhere else in the Greek Bible, and koinonia ("fellowship") mean to partner or share. Symphonesis ("harmony") signifies to be in agreement with or of one accord. Meris ("in common") denotes a shared lot or portion. Synkatathesis ("agreement") is commonly used of a decision arrived at by a group. Paul is clearly thinking of associations that involve a partnership rather than a casual or occasional working relationship. The specific kinds of partnerships are left unnamed. A principle is merely articulated and understanding of its application assumed (compare Jas 1:27, "to keep oneself from being polluted by the world"). This may be because Paul dealt with specific instances in 1 Corinthians, so that the Corinthians understand quite well what kinds of partnerships are in view. For example, he had reprimanded them for allowing their legal disputes with one another to be arbitrated by the secular courts ("in front of unbelievers," 6:1-6). He had admonished them for participating with pagans in their cultic meals (10:6-22). And he had rebuked them for approving of sexual unions with prostitutes (6:12-20) and for taking pride in the sexual liaison betoeen a Christian and his stepmother (5:1-13).


Paul has already made clear in His second letter (which is actually 1 Corinthians) in vers 10 of chapter 5. In fact we cannot remove ourselves from this world. We are to not associate with the practices of the world, or those who claim to be Christian and induldge in activities described in 1 cor 5.

If we where to completely seperate ourselves and shut are selves of we would have no hope of reaching the lost, those who re in deep need of the light of Christ. Just as Lighthouse John has said.

Blessings

Phil
 
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yahweh_is4me

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if we isolate ourselves from them, we won't be like influenced by them, right?
We don't isolate ourselves from them , we live an work among them, The bible states we are not to have close friendships with them, but we are to be a light in the darkness .. so live as Jesus does let them see Jesus in you .... God Bless
 
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Jullianna

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WE were once THEM before someone came and told us about the loving grace of our Lord. We are called to do no less. Jesus said to GO :)
 
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Chris_Aussie

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Basketgirl the age you are is a very confusing one, and much more so for a Christian trying to be living as one thinks jesus should. one problem is hanging out with your non christian friends will possibly lead to situations sometimes where you will have to stand your ground and say no to activities they do.
If your friends are doing things contrary to our beliefs Isololation is ok if temptation is to much. Trust god to give you advice on this.

Always remember a christian is an unbeliever who at one time enjoyed the company of someone who told them the message. The lord still loves us both the same, he wants them too.

Personally I made the mistake of turning my back on my non Christian friends as a teenager now as an adult I carry the shame of what i did. I made those people think i thought i was better than them and this also
reflects on thier opinion of christianity.
sometimes if you are there as a mate for non Christians they see a difference in you someone who radiates unconditional love is such an attractive thing. if you are lucky you earn the right to sow a seed through your love
 
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if we isolate ourselves from them, we won't be like influenced by them, right?
On the one hand, we are told this:
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matt 28:19 RSV
On the other hand, we are told this:
[17] For you hate discipline,
and you cast my words behind you.
[18] If you see a thief, you are a friend of his;
and you keep company with adulterers….

[21] These things you have done and I have been silent;
you thought that I was one like yourself.
But now I rebuke you, and lay the charge before you. Psalms 50:17-21 RSV
I think we need to exercise judgment.
 
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Ricke

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I beleive exactly what you beleive. We are not to " Hang around" with unbelievers etc, UNLESS we are witnessing to them. Even Jesus was with Publicans and sinners. The Jewish religious leaders didn't think he was right, but he being God knew it was right.

I witness to Unbelievers all the time, go to their homes, on the internet wherever I can find them. And Bless all those who have a Prison Ministry as well.

The verses I quoted means for converted people of God not to hang out with, or do the things sinners enjoy doing. God expects us to stay Holy and Separated unto him once we convert. I will leave it up to all to decide what they think "Separation and Holiness" means to each here....
 
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Ricke

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Amen Brother....
 

phil36

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I think we have to determine what do we mean by friends? as a Christian most deep relationships with non believers will usually fade, into acquintances. However, what happens if the person is not antagonistic towards christianity or you, there are fines lines in this issue and it is not as cut and dry as you are making out.

Many Christians have good friendships with non believers, and some don't. personally, haveing a deep friendship with a non believer will usually fizzle out as both wil have differing views on all subjects, particualarily, kingdom against the world.

This does mean we become total seperatists, Holy yes, for in Christ we are Holy before God.

I think this one really comes down to conscience. Ive got plenty of non christian friends, and what a great witnessing opportuniy, however, I don't do what I used to.. and they don't even ask me know. The initial question is should we isolate ourselves.. the answer is no.

Blessings

Phil
 
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Ricke

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One thing I think we all can agree on, is once you become Born Again Blood bought child of God...you won't have most of your "friends" Hanging out with you anymore.

Reason being.....Darkness does not like the light. Your friends now will be those who share the same Spiritual things you now like. Your former Worldy Friends will be saying "Adios".

I have many family members who know I am not like them, they accept it, but there is a distance between us. That Is just the way it is...when you walk in Spirit and Truth... Amen
 
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charisenexcelcis

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so here's my opinion on this, based upon scripture.
1. We have to be aware of our own weaknesses. It saves no one for you to be dragged into ungodly behavior. Be careful not to be influenced by ungodliness.
2. We are to be in the world but not of the world. There should be a noticeable difference between the believer and the unbeliever. This difference is accomplished by God using His word, His church, and His Presence. The last is very important.
3. That we are called to make disciples. Some stop at proclaiming the gospel. To make disciples we must clearly do so, but we also must build influence and be a walking testimony before the world.
4. Each of us are to be disciples as well as making disciples. The fruit of the gospel is the seed of the gospel.
 
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Jesus hung around with the worst of the worst. He loved them very much. You have to be careful in what you do. But the ones who are lost are the ones Jesus came for.

You have to be the light. Yes you can't go mingle and be all close friends with just anyone. You have to be careful they don't rub off on you. But anytime you are around them maybe you can rub off on them.

You must make sure you don't have I'm a better than them attitude. God loves them just as much as he does you. He wants you to help them get to heaven.
 
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Ricke

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Precisely. We don't hang out with sinners, simply because they don't carry inside The Spirit of God like we do.

You will grieve the Holy Ghost by agreeing with sinner friends or Family if you agree with some of the wrong things they do.

Some of these people carry bad spirits within, I want no part of that..
 

phil36

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I think we are of track from what the thread question is..' Isolate'.

Blessings

Phil