I see...so you want to challenge me with your superior knowledge of the Greek language because I'm so off balance.
This thread is challenging Word of faith doctrine. I only got into this conversation with Wolf because he was posting to Joanie but he used my name by mistake, then he asked me the same question that he asked Joanie. If you had read the thread, you should of seen this.
My agreement with the Word of faith or the little I know of their teachings is that we do claim promises from the scriptures. I ask the Lord questions all the time, and He guides me to truth. No one should have to be Greek or Hebrew scholars to be taught by Holy Spirit. You all question me now on my hearing His Voice.
Everyone who names His name and is filled with His Spirit should eventually in their walk, have been tutored by the Lord in hearing Him. It's how we have relationship with Him, and not just hearing a pastor teach. This is also how we know we should be in a certain fellowship, when we hear from our teachers what we are being told in our private time with Him.
The scriptures in the N T show that there are things Holy Spirit teaches. So this is how my life with Him has been and I see this way of relationship mirrored in the Word.
Just explaining my way of study. The Word says that the bread that we eat, or the Word that we base our life on is the rhema, or the inspired, breath of words we receive directly from Him. Is this true Angela? Its Holy Spirit we need for all of life. Is this true Angela? How many here are Greek and Hebrew scholars? Yet everyone here has their own thought from the Word including you.
Its your attitude of superiority that is wrong. And a challenge is never from Holy Spirit. To show someone an error is to be out of wanting to help. Not drive away. I had you on ignore but reading without logging in brings up everything.
This is the passage of scripture that Wolf was discussing with Joanie. I include more for understanding.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[h=2]Heirs with Christ[/h]
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
My point out of these scriptures concerning that question from Wolf are three simple thoughts to show that we are no longer just a natural minded person thinking our own will and way, but living our life by His Word. Again the rhema Word.
We are spiritual beings. Verse 9 Our human nature or the I of our life is crucified with Christ and we are risen with Him in resurrection life.
There is an instant change with us in our born again experience. We pass from death to life by an action of God on our inner man. All should agree with this who are born again. I've not met anyone who is, differ.
Verse 9 states but we are Spirit. Agree?
We are under no debt to the flesh to live accordingly, but live as members of His body on earth. Verse 12 No longer a transgressor against God. Is what Strongs say. Agree?
And believe the promises. My thought about promises? All are yes and amen. Is why I posted a song from Bethel. Not sure which thread now. Some are running together. The song is about His yes and amen way of answering our faith. That's child like faith. He's our daddy and He said....
This affects our whole of our life. Spirit, soul, and body.
You all accept spirit and maybe soul, but reject body.
I differ with this and agree with Joanie and all who believe this and am walking my faith out. And receiving. Waiting for completion.
I wanted Wolf to look at the word quicken and tell me what this means to him.
Its to vitalize again in Strongs. I will use other lexicons if I need more understanding. But Strongs for me is sufficient. Again depending on Him more.
I just looked at the hebrew for "decree a thing and you shall have".
decide acceptance of promises.
This is old testament. I hear some say that we can decree a thing and we will have it. That never sat well with me inside so I looked at it.
Job 22:28 Thou shalt also decree a thing, and it shall be established unto thee: and the light shall shine upon thy ways.
decree:
[h=1]H1504[/h]
גָּזַר
gâzar
gaw-zar'
A primitive root; to cut down or off; (figuratively) to destroy, divide, exclude or decide: - cut down (off), decree, divide, snatch.
Total KJV occurrences: 13
Decide fits the context.
a thing:
[h=1]H562[/h]
אֹמֶר
'ômer
o'-mer
The same as H561: - promise, speech, thing, word.
Total KJV occurrences: 6
be established:
[h=1]H6965[/h]
קוּם
qûm
koom
A primitive root; to rise (in various applications, literally, figuratively, intensively and causatively): - abide, accomplish, X be clearer, confirm, continue, decree, X be dim, endure, X enemy, enjoin, get up, make good, help, hold, (help to) lift up (again), make, X but newly, ordain, perform, pitch, raise (up), rear (up), remain, (a-) rise (up) (again, against), rouse up, set (up), (e-) stablish, (make to) stand (up), stir up, strengthen, succeed, (as-, make) sure (-ly), (be) up (-hold, -rising).
When we decide, promises rise.
Fits right in with words spoken in faith that are promises from the Lord will be given.
Then to check it?
ISV
Job 22:28 When you make a decision on something, it will be established for you, and light will brighten your way.
This religious way of thinking that God gives diseases to teach us lessons is crazy. Disease came from the fall. Being an overcomer in life is the way Jesus brought to us, His own body. And the way is by His blood sacrifice....and THE WORD OF TESTIMONY!
I just watched a movie on prime called Breathe. Polio and confined to a respirator. No abundant life. Don't tell me this is from God.
He loves us! He has given us power! And He calls us to follow Him. We aren't alone. He is with us, and the moment we decide to believe...He runs to us.
Im done with this thread. And this topic.
