Just for the record. My response was to what was said about no one saying we are baptized by water for salvation in this thread.
She has a habit of claiming I misrepresent people. When in fact is is her doing the misrepresenting.
Sadly, Because she had to respond back, and try to attack my character. I was forced to PROVE her a liar. By going back to prove that people IN THIS THREAD have done the very thing she insists NO ONE IN ThiS THREAD has done.
Anyway here goes
As you can see, This poster believes our washing, our remmision of sin, Our spiritual circumcision or spiritual cleansing, which saves us (col 2) is accomplish by water baptism. This post is on page 7 of this thread.
Here is another person, who thinks we recieve remissions via water baptism, WHich essentially says, Our sins are washed away and we are saved at water baptism.
The third one is found on page 21 of this thread. (And these are not the only three that these and others have insisted our remission of sin is not accomplished UNTIL we are water baptised!)
And here is number 3 (actually the only one I remembered. This user is always preaching water baptismal regeneration (remission of sin)
And news flash. If one teaches our sins are remitted at water baptism, they are in FACT teaching that we can not be saved APART from water baptism. Thus replacing baptism of the spirit (the baptism of God) with baptism in water by some man,
I would ask for an apology from said user, But I would be asking to much, She will somehow still try to wiggle out of it and say they are not saying what they CLEARLY are saying.
This user is indifferent to others. Not seeing others such as brothers or sisters in Christ. This user must not be a true believer of scripture if he cannot realize this inevidible underlying truth in scripture.
Brother this isnt how you should treat others. Were not users. I took offense to that. But this is your typical approach. And youre no different to most people on this site. All disrespect across the board regardless of your ideolegy.
You keep relying on "saved" doctrine. That manmade doctrine is false and is not found in scripture. Jesus never taught a "saved" doctrine. He said leave everything and follow me. So were they saved the minute they left everything? Well if you get your eyes off of being saved and drop that corrupt doctrine you might learn a thing or two.
You keep insisting whether salvation takes place when you get baptized or after you get baptized, well guess what.. salvation happends when you die. And not all will be saved if you do not continue in Christ as some have drawn back to the things of the world.
Saved doctrine is gargabe. And you can dislike my comment it is expected because what Christ taught was destested and so shall we be destested for preaching the TRUTH. Our eyes are on Christ not on "being saved". Ive told you that since day one. You merely look at everything from being saved perspective and that perspective is greatly erred. And serves no one any purpose, but rather sends many to hell on a false premises.
Serving Christ is the objective and surrending our own will. If you put saved in the equation, it should be a joy to know and hope for the future. Knowing we will not taste death and are children of God heirs of the kingdom of God and New Jerusalem. Did you get that when you were baptized or when you believed is absurd. We dont have that yet, or you must believe you are already in your perfect new body and walking Gods streets of Gold?
Water baptizm is a command from God we must follow. Holy Spirit baptizm is receiving the gift of God that He promised. Being heirs with Christ having Gods Spirit that allows us to be inside the trinity. Father, Word, and Holy Spirit. These 3 are One. We are entered into the trinity through the gift of the Holy Spirit. We are then sealed and our names written in the lambs book. If we continue and remain. We do not want our names blotted out of the lambs book of God, or for God to forget He ever knew us.
For when the disciples walked with Christ and knew Him they were still as not yet converted until they received the Holy Spirit. So is the same goes with all believers. We do not automatically receive the Holy Spirit just because we believe. Even the demons, satanist, and pagans believe. That is not enough to be a child of God, much less"saved".
This problem begins is the "saved" doctrine approach. The belief that if we believe we are "saved". Scripture tells us we will be saved if we believe. This should not have been made doctrine. The scripture says alot of things, we shouldnt make it doctrine just because it is written.
Being saved is a matter of being saved from sin. Sin leads to death. Jesus has saved us from the snare of the devil. What is the point in making that doctrine? Especially when the saved doctrine implies something different and is contradictory to scripture. Your very arguements are based on a false doctrine and not on scripture. Your own personal beliefs, these are not biblical. You must believe, you must be baptized, you must receive the Holy Spirit, you must forgive, you must love your neighbor, you must love God above all else and follow His command. Which one gets you saved or which order to be saved is ridiculous. Saved doctrine belongs in the trash can. Follow Christ is the way to heaven. No other way. And that includes saved doctrine which claims you only need to believe. This contradicts scripture.
You can slice and dice it ten ways till sunday, but until you remove this huge error you cannot advance in these petty arguements.
God bless you all.