Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

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SpoonJuly

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It is a dismissive snort. LOL means lots of laughs which again is dismissive and rude. The poster is a real class act.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Thanks.
He asked my not to respond to him and I said I would honor that request.
 

Wansvic

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It comes by personal desire. Not all from the tribe of Levi were priests
Three times denotes the end of a matter.
Many of God's created designs incorporate 3 things.

John 1:12-13
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Rom 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
 

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It is a dismissive snort. LOL means lots of laughs which again is dismissive and rude. The poster is a real class act.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
sigh

lol is laugh out loud
smh is shaking my head

EG, I read your post over again explaining what PennEd was meaning after becoming a bit calmer than I was than I left yesterday. If this is so, then I misunderstood what he was saying.

But, my response was pointed at his interjecting videos of the same type of thing.

Whether that clears up any dispute between PE and I, will remain to be seen because I suspect this goes beyond this current one, and is actually based on a former problem.

I can't do anything more than regret some of my postings publicly. They are all true testimonies.

Carry on soldiers! lol a normal laugh.
 

Wansvic

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Will add this---
They were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues BEFORE they were baptized.
If baptism is necessary for salvation how is it the they were filled with the Holy Spirit before they were saved?
Peter said to do all three things. He did not give a specific sequence.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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My post 1378 explains how Peter's instructions were followed by all people. Also keep in mind that Paul mentions concepts pertaining to Peter's initial instructions as well: (Rom 6:3-5, 1 Cor 1:15-16, 1 Cor 12:13, Gal 3:27, Eph 4:4-5, Col 2:12, Titus 3:5-6, Heb 4:1-2)
Notice Ananias' instructions to Paul regarding salvation: (Acts 22:15-16)
Check out 1 Peter 3:20-21.

People can believe that Jesus died for their sins and stop there.
Or, they can believe that Jesus died for their sins and by faith be obedient to the God-inspired instructions given by Peter.

I didn't read yours and Waggles post all the way because I'm not a cessationist either and this thread was whipping along at light speed yesterday

but I would disagree that water baptism is in addition to or part of salvation

first of all, it does not actually wash away sins...internal prob

second, only the blood of Christ, as we know, is acceptable to God to cleanse us from sin and we are being cleansed from sin by His blood as He is the final High Priest and our High Priest

I have been water baptized...13 or 14 I believe...and I believe we should be water baptized in obedience to the words of Christ

I don't have time right now to specifically look up the scripture you posted (attached) but later on today I will try to address this in more detail and prob add some scripture myself

I do agree water baptism should be followed, but not as do it or you are not saved...just want to be clear there

thanks
 
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That does not make sense. Each person will be held accountable and judged by the Word. God is a just God. If what you are saying is true then everyone understanding must be acquired through the use of a language they have no understanding Greek.
Well most people take the bible as a whole. And see there is an apparent contradiction with Act 2 and alot of other scripture. So they study t see what is really being said.

In doing so. They would see that the greek does not say REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED as one command, But they would see repent and baptized are two different commands spoken to two different groups (repent spoken to ALL who are there, and be baptised spoken to only a select group of individual

Then logic would determine that you would see who he was telling to be baptised. And you would see that he told those who recieved the gift of the HS because they had repented and believed, were told to be baptised BECAUSE they received remission of sin.

And thats exactly what happened. Petere said THOSE WHO BELIEVED were Baptized

They were already saved before they even touched the water


In scripture there are two distinct water applications that occurred at the OT tabernacle laver.
The first is a complete washing for entrance into the priesthood. (Exodus 40:11-14) Afterward those who minister must keep their hands and feet spiritually clean by being washed in the water of the Word of God. (Exodus 30:18-21)

A foreshadow of water baptism can be seen in God’s command to Moses to wash Aaron and his sons. They were to be washed prior to being clothed with priestly garments:

“And thou shalt anoint the laver and his foot, and sanctify it. And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water. And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office. And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:” Exodus 40:11-14


1. Washing of Aaron and sons was preparation for the priesthood and is a foreshadow of NT water baptism.
2. After washing them head to toe they were clothed with holy garments.
3. They were then anointed with oil - foreshadow of NT Holy Ghost baptism.
4. Afterward Aaron and sons had the blood applied to their right ear, thumb, and toe. (Exodus 29:19-20)
Your taking a NT symbol, or physical act. And trying to make it the fulfillment of an OT symbol or physical act.

Thats not a very good idea

Both symbolize spiritual acts performed by God

Col 2 makes it clear. Our spiritual circumcision (symbolized by another physical symbolic event) is performed God god. Not man, How is this done, through the baptism of the spirit (the one who raised Christ from the dead.

Your trying to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of man. Which makes it no different than people in pauls day trying to replace the spiritual circumcision performed by God with physical circumcision done by men.


It is totally amazing that satan has dooped 2 different cultures into two different false gospel where the work of God is replaced by the work of man (OT circumcision and NT baptism)





 
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Having a bible in one's language would be useless if what you say is accurate. Each person will be judged according to the Word itself according to Jesus. One cannot say well my pastor, friend, parent, etc. told me what the actual bible said and I followed their instructions.

No doubt God's Word has withstood time in order that all have an opportunity to search it and find truth.

God also states that man is without excuse because spiritual concepts can be seen in the way God created our world. With this comment in mind ask yourself a question: How do creation concepts of the birth of a natural baby line up with a spiritual birth?

Egg and father's sperm (blood) join
Baby is immersed in water
Baby breaks forth from water
Baby intakes surrounding air

Just something to ponder.
It will not help you when you face God and have refused to take the literal words written by peter himself to see what he really said.
The 1600 king james got it right.

Repent YE and let every one of YOU

Repent Ye was the plural form, 2nd person form of the word you (he was speaking to EVERYONE who was listening)

and let every one of YOU

You was the third person singular form/ meaning he speaking directly to certain induviduals. Not the whol crowd


When the modern day bibles did by removing the word ye, was make the passage confusing at best, and caused people to misinterpret it for ages.

 
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Many of God's created designs incorporate 3 things.

John 1:12-13
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Rom 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
These passage tell us how people were saved, And what made them sons of God

Look, no water baptism involved.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Wow, i got that wrong..lol Forgive me,

Not sure what you mean by baptised with the holy spirit at 18. If you were saved at 5. Other than that Praise God.
Me, I was saved in a baptist church at around 7 years old, Baptised in water about 2 or 3 years later. Stayed in that church until I went into the military at 17. During my time in the military, attended a few multi-denominational (they just called it protestant I think, but it was very structured, alot like Lutheran or catholic) when I got back home, went back to the same church I grew up in, eventually left because of the pastor. Then my marriage fell apart and I left God altogether and became a prodigal for 5 years. When my best friend as a child finally called me (A god thing) and I started going to his non denomination church and have been there ever since.

wellllll....deep breath....I don't agree that we are baptized 'by' the Holy Spirit at salvation...I believe you have expressed this though?

really do not want another discussion on it though but might start a thread on it after some questions to a mod regarding trying to keep it civil...I'll see...might...might not

so you had a bit of a checkered past...well prob most of us have had here

I would really refer to myself as non denom at this point in time, but non-cessationist as well

no prob 'getting it wrong'
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Perhaps your god does not care but God Who is God cared enough to send His Son to die on the cross to atone for your sin while you were in unbelief. God loved you when you did not love God.

Jesus Christ is the center of our salvation not tongues or signs and wonders. Any religion that places more emphasis on things than on Christ is worshipping idols and not God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

yeah ok here we go again

Waggles did not nor did he ever state that tongues or anything else had or has taken the place of Jesus

those are your words Roger and they are false

Waggles is frustrated as I and others have certainly been, with the continuing twisting of what is said, the attitude of some towards the truth of Pentecost and the adding to what is said

do you do that on purpose? it is certainly not godly nor does it indicate any sort of desire to actually have a conversation

it indicates a desire to stamp out, shut out and do away with what does not agree with YOUR personal interpretation

no one is worshipping idols or the gifts that you do not believe in. I'm pretty sure you actually know that but prefer to continue to charge the thread with your particular brand of venom

I wonder what would happen if you actually did not do those things? and don't say it is because of your passion for truth when the problem is you not being truthful in response to others
 
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7seasrekeyed

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It is a dismissive snort. LOL means lots of laughs which again is dismissive and rude. The poster is a real class act.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
if it was, I'd be happy to gift box you a lifetime's supply!

LOL! smh :cool: ;)

the poster is a moderator

I could point you to about a half dozen forums where this remark of yours would get you banned so fast you would not be sure you had ever been a member
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I am still having a problem understanding what is acceptable and not acceptable, rude and not rude response to others.
hey spoon...see the little smiley above?

click on that and an entire array of smiles pops up, all of which are allowable to be used at your discretion. that should tell you that we are not always about serious and so polite you don't sound 'real' take me for example, I use those and will add memes or gifs and just add some humor or my way of expressing how silly I think something is. they can also be an ice breaker...or sarcastic

now if you hover your mouse over each smiley above you will note it tells you what they mean

smh and or lol are not abusive or rude or anything along those lines

now telling people they are stupid etc is another story

here's a cute little meme (google images with search) I might put under something that made no sense...I like using memes



hope that helps
 

Dino246

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I believe that Cornelius speaking in tongues did confirm unbelief---
Peter's unbelief that Gentiles could be saved and filled with the Holy Spirit just as Jewish believers.
If you study Acts 10 carefully, you will see Peter's attitude---
-----I am not going into a Gentile's house, it is a waste of time, etc.----
Unbelief in God's willingness to include the Gentiles is not the issue addressed in Isaiah 28, which is what Garee keeps quoting. It does not apply in a situation where no unbelieving Jews were present, as there weren't in Acts 10, and therefore does not apply in a modern situation where no unbelieving Jews are present. This is a long-running disagreement between myself and Garee.

Will add this---
They were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues BEFORE they were baptized.
If baptism is necessary for salvation how is it the they were filled with the Holy Spirit before they were saved?
Respectfully, I'm not getting into that debate.
 

Dino246

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That's what you keep saying. The sign does not confirm belief, but no faith.... natural unconverted man.

Only if they were unbelievers. If there were no unbelievers there .The sign is waiting for one to walk in. (there you are I see you).
The sign is functional. Got its ears perked up, even when there is no one their to accuse and confirm unbelief (no faith) .

Tongues is one of many manners God did bring new prophecy as revelation . He has sealed off the possibility of even another word or sound with seven seals .

They sell electronic devices today that read the gospel in other languages and interpret what two who do not know the other person language. Two can share the good news .
That's silly. Signs aren't sentient, tongues is not prophecy, and electronic devices are irrelevant.