Sons of God

garee · Aug 17, 2016

Yes, sons of God speak of two different kinds of creations. The angels who did not leave their first place of habitation who have no body, no DNA, the 2/3. And those who do have a body of flesh ,DNA needed to procreate as born again . Which has nothing to do with human procreation but rather new creatures.

The portion of scriptures (Genesis 6) is simply not to be unevenly yoked with natural man identified by daughter of men or children of men especially at the time period involving the spiritual seed of Christ that was passed down through those elected to salvation.

Demons are not led by the Spirit of Christ, the Holy, anointing Ghost of God.

Taking away the fact that angels have no visible, literal, fleshly body can destroy the gospel. But works to create science fiction movies as a source of faith coming from one’s own imagination as in the skies the limit, is still just pretend. ..

No DNA... no be fruitful and multiply. It can’t be both as if we could serve two masters. The flesh as that seen and the Spirit, as that never seen.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

RBA238 · Aug 17, 2016

Agreed!!.."Without THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, they are none of his".

Roadkill · Jan 1, 2018

There are 3 "Heavens". our sky, the galaxy, and the abode of God the Father. These individuals did not come from the 3rd heaven. Angels do not have genitalia and are male and female only in the sense of their personalities, same as we will be someday. So no they don't reproduce. Now we have been all over our skies so that rules ours out......God has the ability to make other men on other planets don't you think? If we can think it, it is possible.

MarcR · Jan 1, 2018

prins said:

The phrase 'sons of God' occurs only 3 other places in the OT, all in Job; and in all 3 the reference is to angelic beings.

Therefore I believe that the Genesis reference is to fallen angels who rebelled with Satan.

Hizikyah · Jan 1, 2018

MarcR said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 6:4, “The Nephilim (#H5303) were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, the men of name.”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nephilim” is word #H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl (nef-eel') n-m., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphil (nef-eel'), (properly) a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant., [from H5307], KJV: giant, Root(s): H5307 [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Root word of “H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl” H5307 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נָפַל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]naphal (naw-fal') v., to fall.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]{in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative), [a primitive root], KJV: be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing), fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be judged (by mistake for H6419), lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be (X hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, X surely, throw down, See also: H6419 [/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]sons” is word #H1121 - ben: son, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]בֵּן[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: ben, Phonetic Spelling: (bane), Short Definition: sons[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Elohim” is word #H430 - elohim: God, god, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אֱלֹהִים[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: elohim, Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem'), Short Definition: God[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Now some say that the “sons of Elohim” were humans, however why would it even be stated that the “sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them” Would it not say; sons of men came into daughters of men and bore children, and if that were so why would it even be mentioned? Also there is a clear difference between “of Elohim” and “of men”;[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]daughters of “men” is word #H120 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]אָדָם [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]'adam (aw-dawm') n-m., ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.)., [from H119], KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person, Root(s): H119[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Job 1:6-7, “And the day came to be that the sons of Elohim came to present themselves before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and Satan also came among them. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to Satan, “From where do you come?” And Satan answered [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and said, “From diligently searching in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Job 38:4-7, “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 6:1-7, “And it came to be, when men began to increase on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men, that they were good. And they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever in his going astray. He is flesh, and his days shall be one hundred and twenty years. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of Elohim came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, the men of name. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said, “I am going to wipe off man whom I have created from the face of the ground, both man and beast, creeping creature and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 6:9-13, “This is the genealogy of Noaḥ. Noaḥ was a righteous man, perfect in his generations. Noaḥ walked with Elohim. And Noaḥ brought forth three sons: Shĕm, Ḥam, and Yapheth. And the earth was corrupt before Elohim, and the earth was filled with violence. And Elohim looked upon the earth and saw that it was corrupt – for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth and Elohim said to Noaḥ, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. And see, I am going to destroy them from the earth.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 13:28-29, “But the people who dwell in the land are strong, and the cities are walled, very great. And we saw the descendants of Anaq there too. The Amalĕqites dwell in the land of the South, while the Ḥittites and the Yeḇusites and the Amorites dwell in the mountains. And the Kena‛anites dwell by the sea and along the banks of the Yardĕn.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 13:32-33, “And they gave the children of Yisra’yl a disturbing report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land eating up its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great size. And we saw there the Nephilim, (#H5303) sons of Anaq, (#H6061) of the Nephilim (#H5303). And we were like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and so we were in their eyes.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]5303 - Nephilim: "giants," name of two peoples, one before the flood and one after the flood, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִילִים[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: Nephilim, Phonetic Spelling: (nef-eel'), Short Definition: Nephilim[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]6061 - Anaq: "neck," a Canaanite, Original Word: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]עֲנָק[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine, Transliteration: Anaq, Phonetic Spelling: (aw-nawk'), Short Definition: Anak[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nephilim” is word #H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl (nef-eel') n-m., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphil (nef-eel'), (properly) a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant., [from H5307], KJV: giant, Root(s): H5307 [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Root word of “H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl” H5307 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נָפַל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]naphal (naw-fal') v., to fall.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]{in a great variety of applications (intransitive or causative, literal or figurative), [a primitive root], KJV: be accepted, cast (down, self, (lots), out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell(-ing), fugitive, have (inheritance), inferior, be judged (by mistake for H6419), lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be (X hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present(-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, X surely, throw down, See also: H6419[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiyl 28:13-19, “You were in Ĕḏen, the garden of the Most High. Every precious stone was your covering: the ruby, topaz, and diamond, beryl, shoham, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald and gold. The workmanship of your settings and mountings was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were the anointed keruḇ that covered. And I placed you, you were on the set-apart mountain of Yah. You walked up and down in the midst of stones of fire. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you. By the greatness of your trade you became filled with violence within, and you sinned. So I thrust you from the mountain of Yah, and I destroyed you, O covering keruḇ, from the midst of the stones of fire. Your heart was lifted up because of your loveliness, you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendour. I threw you to the earth, I laid you before sovereigns, to look at you. You profaned your set-apart places by your many crookednesses, by the unrighteousness of your trading. Therefore I brought forth fire from your midst. It has devoured you, and I turned you to ashes upon the earth before the eyes of all who see you. All who knew you among the peoples were astonished at you. Waste you shall be, and cease to be, forever.”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You were the anointed keruḇ that covered”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]keruḇ” is word #H3742 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]כְּרוּב [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]kruwb (ker-ooɓ') n-m., 1. a cherub. a created spiritual being having a various descriptions., 2. (apparently) a spiritual being created for a discrete purpose, thus differing from other cherubim in this manner., [of uncertain derivation], KJV: cherub, (plural) cherubims. [/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you”[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]unrighteousness” is word #H5766 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]עֶוֶל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]`evel (eh'-vel) n-e., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]עָוֶל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]`avel (aw'-vel) [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif](moral) evil., [from H5765], KJV: iniquity, perverseness, unjust(-ly), unrighteousness(-ly); wicked(-ness). , Root(s): H5765[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I threw you to the earth”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:7-9, “And there came to be fighting in the heaven: Miḵa’ĕl and his messengers fought against the dragon. And the dragon and his messengers fought, but they were not strong enough, nor was a place found for them in the heaven any longer. And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]We can clearly see YHWH threw satan out of the heavenly holy place and to earth. We can also see the word Nephilim comes from root word naphal and means to fall:[/FONT]

“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Nephilim” is word #H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl (nef-eel') n-m., [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphil (nef-eel'), (properly) a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant., [from H5307], KJV: giant, Root(s): H5307 [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Root word of “H5303 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נְפִיל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nphiyl” H5307 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]נָפַל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]naphal (naw-fal') v., to fall.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If these nephilim are not fallen malakim/angels why are they called offspring of the “sons of Elohim” and the root word of nephilim is naphal or to fall?[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 14:12-16, “How you have fallen from heaven, child of the light! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart; I will ascend above the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of YHWH. I will sit in the highest place on the holy mountain ofthe congregation. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High. Yet you will be brought down to Sheol; the grave, to the sides ofthe pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and they will talk about you, saying; Is this the one; the adversary, who shook the earth, and made kingdoms tremble?"[/FONT]

jaybird88 · Jan 1, 2018

Hizikyah said:

i have always believed this to be the most simple common sense answer to this. i never understood why people try so hard to spin Gen 6 into something else.

MattforJesus · Jan 1, 2018

If the sons of God were referring to people,and some say those that were following God,then if they were good then why would they become wicked to start mingling with the evil people,and whether they were considered good or not,how did it produce such wicked people,that were men of old,men of reknown,and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually,if it is sexual activity between people that they have been doing for years.

Also why were they considered sons of God,as apart from the rest of humanity,for the sons of God came unto them.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Here the sons of God are referred to as the angels.

Before the flood every imagination of the thoughts of their heart was only evil continually,so God flooded the earth,so it appears that there was no reversing their sinful situation,but how could that happen if it was only from people alone not being influenced by an evil spirit.

At the beast kingdom when they take the mark of the beast there is no reversing their sinful situation,so God has to put an end to their kingdom,and end this sin business on earth.

Jesus said that the end time will be like the days of Noah,where it is business as usual not giving heed to what the saints are preaching,and what the Bible says concerning the end time,to get right with God for in the future He is going to put down all who follow the beast kingdom.

The reason that they are so wicked is because the devils will be cast to earth,and will deceive all people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom,which is the strong delusion God will send them.

That seems like it is the only way that people can be so wicked is if the devils deceive them,which at the beast kingdom God is allowing it.

When Satan is cast in to the bottomless pit for 1000 years there is peace on earth.

God warns us of the new age movement.
The new age movement is the future for this sinful world.
The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom.
The man of sin has the traits of the new age movement.
When the transgressors are come to the full,then war will break out in heaven,and the devils will be cast to earth,which the earth becomes the habitation of devils,and Satan appears as the beast,and deceives all people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom,and then God will end this sin business on earth.

So sons of God being people alone does not make sense,but it makes sense if it is the fallen angels.

But how did they have sex with the women,and have children,when only Jesus was born of a virgin,and only God has the power to cause a child to come about from the woman alone.

They must of possessed the men,and had sex with the women through the men,and they became very wicked,and their offspring became wicked.

Lucy-Pevensie · Jan 1, 2018

MarcR said:

Psalm 82:6

Orthodox Jewish Bible

6 I have said, elohim ye are; and all of you are Bnei HaElyon.

7 But ye shall die like adam, and fall like one of the sarim (princes).

NIV
6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
you are all sons of the Most High.’
7 But you will die like mere mortals;
you will fall like every other ruler.”

jaybird88 · Jan 1, 2018

MattforJesus said:

God warns us of the new age movement.
The new age movement is the future for this sinful world.
The new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom.
The man of sin has the traits of the new age movement.
When the transgressors are come to the full,then war will break out in heaven,and the devils will be cast to earth,which the earth becomes the habitation of devils,and Satan appears as the beast,and deceives all people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom,and then God will end this sin business on earth.

what evil is the "new age" movement guilty of?

Ugly · Jan 1, 2018

jaybird88 said:

Besides declaring there is no single entity that is god, but rather we are gods?

jaybird88 · Jan 1, 2018

Ugly said:

groups been doing that long before todays new age group.

evil has been around forever. whats different in todays age? 100 MILLION have died in wars last 100 yerars, we are defiantly better at killing each other now than ever, but thats not the new agers. scientist think they have found the "god" particle, again not new agers, all the natural food provided by the Most High has been replaced by hybrid food because man thinks they can do better than the Almighty.

if new agers are guilty of anything its being a distraction while the real enemies cause destruction in this world

Deade · Jan 1, 2018

Lucy-Pevensie said:

Hey everyone,

I agree with Lucy-P: Angels are sexless. The do not go against God's will (even the fallen demons tremble). The references in Job are clearly misunderstood. Otherwise you would have to throw out many other scriptures.

ie Matt. 22:30: For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Hebrews 1:5: For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Angels are not referred to as sons.

Yours, Deade

maxwel · Jan 1, 2018

Roadkill said:

I have a question.

Is there some particular place in the Bible where it says angels don't have genitalia?

Bladerunner · Jan 1, 2018

Magenta said:

Happy New Year Magenta........Of Course God is in control. He restrains Satan and the fallen angels, demons from all war on mankind. All creations Man, Beast, Angel, Devil Demon and on and on bows to HIS control.

Having said that, Sons of God are Angels and in this case fallen angels. As Adam was a direct creation of God, the Angels including Satan are direct creations of God as well.

Seth and Able are the Sons of MAN as you are the Daughter of MAN. (there are many problems with the seth and cain theory that has been debunks a long time ago.)

Jesus tells us that If we believe in His Gospel then we will have everlasting life. We will be able to see HIM as HE IS. From all indications spoken of in the Bible, His body is a body of Light which would go along way to explain why time has NO effect against Him. Unlike Man who is by birth a three dimensional being, God is a multi-dimensionable being where time and other complex properties have NO effect.

Rem, the Bible tells us these fallen angels are held Far below Hades(Hell) and sealed until Judgement day.

We are in the days of Noah, were sin is rampant, Genetic engineering is so simple a layman can change the color of His cats liter's hair color, etc

Make no mistake, the rise of Giants will happen again and will be a large factor during the next World War which is just about to start.

in fact, US soldier's killed a Red Headed Giant in Afganistan only after He had killed and eaten an entire squad. He was flown away by a Chopper, probably to a gov. facility in order to re-create them in the next military???????// This was recreated by one of the Chopper pilots who flew them away.

Hope you also have a Blessed coming year.

Blade

Roadkill · Jan 2, 2018

maxwel said:

Of course not. Some things are spirit taught. You figure this out and you'll know where I got my info.

maxwel · Jan 2, 2018

Roadkill said:

So if I talk to someone else, who also claims to be "spirit taught", and they give INFORMATION WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF YOURS...
who should I believe?

In the books of Acts, the Bereans searched the scripture to determine which doctrines were true.
Do you think that's a good plan?

Lucy-Pevensie · Jan 2, 2018

maxwel said:

Jesus said no marriage. What else would reproductive organs be for? It doesn't seem like God's style to make something that has no function. But I am only speculating.

Sometimes I am reminded of the the things which we humans have done regarding genetic engineering and cloning.
I speculate (and it's pure conjecture on my part), how long have fallen angels had to experiment in areas where they shouldn't?
Look at some of the diabolical things we humans have done. Splitting the atom! How much more could a group of
fallen angels achieve? I think we would probably rather NOT know!

So if Nephilim are offspring of fallen angels as Genesis 6 seems to indicate, does it automatically follow that they had to
have started out with their own genitals? If some Angels abandoned their proper dwelling as Jude 1:6 indicates what does it mean?

Further conjecture on my part so please don't tell me off, I'm not trying to establish a definite belief.
But perhaps Angelic beings were not made to procreate? Perhaps SOME of them were jealous of Mankind because God gave that ability to us?
Perhaps they found a way when they shouldn't have despite not starting out with the necessary errrr equipment?

maxwel · Jan 2, 2018

Lucy-Pevensie said:

Jesus said no marriage. What else would reproductive organs be for? It doesn't seem like God's style to make something that has no function. But I am only speculating.

Sometimes I am reminded of the the things which we humans have done regarding genetic engineering and cloning.
I speculate (and it's pure conjecture on my part), how long have fallen angels had to experiment in areas where they shouldn't?
Look at some of the diabolical things we humans have done. Splitting the atom! How much more could a group of
fallen angels achieve? I think we would probably rather NOT know!

So if Nephilim are offspring of fallen angels as Genesis 6 seems to indicate, does it automatically follow that they had to
have started out with their own genitals? If some Angels abandoned their proper dwelling as Jude 1:6 indicates what does it mean?

Further conjecture on my part so please don't tell me off, I'm not trying to establish a definite belief.
But perhaps Angelic beings were not made to procreate? Perhaps SOME of them were jealous of Mankind because God gave that ability to us?
Perhaps they found a way when they shouldn't have despite not starting out with the necessary errrr equipment?

"So if..."

I wasn't addressing, or making, some long speculative argument.

I was only addressing one very specific point.
I was only addressing one small point... just one.

* Does the Bible say angels have no genitals?

That's all.
That's all I brought up.

John146 · Jan 2, 2018

maxwel said:

Nope. All angels are men, thus they cannot marry each other. We will be as the angels in heaven. There will be no marriage in heaven.

jaybird88 · Jan 2, 2018

John146 said:

i thought Jesus taught Sons of the Most High were neither male or female?

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