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Experience is not the validator of spiritual truth .God's word as it is written alone is.

If you do not need a sign to believe .What did making a noise confirm?

Its not a sign of "spiritual gift" but rather it is a sign that men do not have the gift of prophecy. Prophecy supplies no sign other than a contrite new heart, not visible.

No sign gifts. Sign are for those who rebel an evil generation natural man (no faith) . Prophecy God's word for those who believe or exercise the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God.( no sign )

Your claims are completely wrong and there is no Biblical support for any of them. I and others have shone that you use verses out of context and not appropriate for this discussion. All of my beliefs and convictions have good Biblical support and I have many confirmation experiences. Apparently you don't believe in John 16:13 and the ministries now of the Holy Spirit. But Jesus Christ sermon and prayer in John 14-17 is critical to know and experience now!! Philippians 2:1-5 and Ephesians 4:11-16 should be happening in Christian churches, but where? The closest I have seen are when a pastor was preaching from one of the Gospel books, but the compassion and Christ-likeness was minimal because of the traditional church events which encourage selfishness and pleasures instead of compassion and Great Commission ministries. And I have not seen any church having a Biblical discipleship program.

What kind of church do you attend?
 

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I would suggest a prophet is one who prophesies..., prophecy (God's word) Or one who declares prophecy the word of God

Prophecy is the word of God. This is all one context .( Prophecy)

God unseen speaking prophesying by declaring the gospel .No outward sign. The sign is prophecy scripture it informs us God not seen, has spoken . We walk by that faith the unseen understanding .
the context of Prophet and prophesyting are differnt in the old and new testament prophesying in the Greek is also speaking under the inspiration Like Proclaming the gospel is a type of Prophesying you will see that in 1cor 12 and in the book of Acts.
 
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Experience is not the validator of spiritual truth .God's word as it is written alone is.

If you do not need a sign to believe .What did making a noise confirm?

Its not a sign of "spiritual gift" but rather it is a sign that men do not have the gift of prophecy. Prophecy supplies no sign other than a contrite new heart, not visible.

No sign gifts. Sign are for those who rebel an evil generation natural man (no faith) . Prophecy God's word for those who believe or exercise the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God.( no sign )

***And you agreed with my posting about the Passion Week events.
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lol really? come on an't no body going through all that. get to the point man lol
 
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QUOTE="garee, post: 3758011, member: 237842"]That's interesting? You say you only use Biblical terminology. How would that apply to someone making a noise without meaning ? How could you seek after the understanding of God if you must look for a blessing with those who look for a outward sign before they will believe God? ***You just don't understand. God is supernatural (above the natural) and the gifts He gives are supernatural, even the spiritual gifts of teaching, generosity, mercy, knowledge and wisdom. The last 2 are thinking and saying facts that the Holy Spirit urges that one has never thought of). That happened to me a number of times when I was facilitating home Bible study groups.



The warning below. we walk by faith (the unseen eternal) ***The Spiritual gifts have been are part of my walking or livng by faith. You have missed out in having exciting spiritual happenings in your life. I have been amazed about some of the happenings in home prayer meetings involving the last 2 spiritual gifts mentioned in my first response.

And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John2:25-26 ***I have lived that most of my life since I was born again on May 25, 1967. You have made it evident by your postings that you have not. But again you take verses out of the context of the New Testament. God has called pastors who are supposed to be teaching what Christ-likeness is.

In one sense it would seem to be the kind of warning associated with the antichrists (verse 18) that insist we do need the things seen (men) to teach of the unseen things of faith. Again the unbelieving, no faith Jews who refused to hear prophecy turned things up side after the oral traditions of men . for the god of this world to provide the faith that comes from hearing men seen It is not the new faith we freely receive when we believe God. Without his faith we cannot hear what the Spirit says to the churches (denominations) ***You are not being logical in this. God is not pleased with what is being taught in most churches. Most pastors and elders are not sensitive to the Holy Spirit as their teacher. Throughout history the remnant of true obedient believers of God has always been small.

Providing a faith that comes from hearing men. It is not the new faith we receive when we believe God. Without his faith we cannot hear what the Spirit says to the churches (denominations) ***True Christian Faith only really comes from God. It can come from reading, hearing, and communing with God in think loving, thanking, and talking to Him.



No sign gifts ***The 2 verses of the Gospel of John you posted are out of context. I could have done the same with a much quoted verse in 1 Corinthians 1 about seeking signs.

22 For while Jews [demandingly] ask for signs and miracles

and Greeks pursue philosophy and wisdom,

23 we preach Christ (The Messiah) crucified,

[preaching which] to the Jews is a scandal

and an offensive stumbling block [that springs a snare or trap],

and to the Gentiles it is absurd and utterly unphilosophical nonsense.

24 But to those who are called, whether Jew or Greek (Gentile),

Christ [is] the Power of God and the Wisdom of God.

25 [This is] because

the foolish thing [that has its source in] God is wiser than men,

and the weak thing [that springs] from God is stronger than men.

***Who were the Jews in the Old Testament?

What signs and miracles did they see?

What kind of people were many of the ancient Greeks?

What does the above Scripture passage mean?



But Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul never said not to receive any of the spiritual gifts from God. They indicated that we should not seek them. I only sought one and that was the first time I wanted the gift of tongues because many in the Assembly of God church I was attending seemed to be so joyful and I was not even though I had a wonderful wife and 2 wonderful infant daughters at that time in January of 1975.

***Lay on your bed or go outdoors in a quiet area where no one else is and wait on God for His spiritual gifts, even speaking in tongues if He desires to edify you in that way. Let God really enter in your life. God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit have their parts for doing such and help you live a supernatural life that will be of interest of others. And you can be part of the Great Commission as a Biblical teacher.
 
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lol really? come on an't no body going through all that. get to the point man lol
I made the point before getting the references of the work "know" in 1 John and then Romans and 1 Corinthians.

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Experience is not the validator of spiritual truth .God's word as it is written alone is.

If you do not need a sign to believe .What did making a noise confirm?

Its not a sign of "spiritual gift" but rather it is a sign that men do not have the gift of prophecy. Prophecy supplies no sign other than a contrite new heart, not visible.

No sign gifts. Sign are for those who rebel an evil generation natural man (no faith) . Prophecy God's word for those who believe or exercise the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God.( no sign )


My response to garee: Again you are not understanding me. If you would do a Greek study in 1 John, you would discover 3 Greek words for the word "know". One is intellectually, another is absolutely, and the third experiencially. The first one is only used once in that epistle. What does that mean?
 
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That's interesting? You say you only use Biblical terminology. How would that apply to someone making a noise without meaning ? How could you seek after the understanding of God if you must look for a blessing with those who look for a outward sign before they will believe God? ***You just don't understand. God is supernatural (above the natural) and the gifts He gives are supernatural, even the spiritual gifts of teaching, generosity, mercy, knowledge and wisdom. The last 2 are thinking and saying facts that the Holy Spirit urges that one has never thought of). That happened to me a number of times when I was facilitating home Bible study groups.


Thanks for the reply.

Because God is supernatural, I think I do understand, its what he does reveal, concealing it from natural man . It is why we walk according to the eternal things of God, not seen (faith).The Holy place of God set aside exclusively for Himself with no form standing in that place Holy place.

The warning below. we walk by faith (the unseen eternal) ***The Spiritual gifts have been are part of my walking or livng by faith. You have missed out in having exciting spiritual happenings in your life. I have been amazed about some of the happenings in home prayer meetings involving the last 2 spiritual gifts mentioned in my first response.


All the gifts are spiritual not seen .No such thing as a sign gift.Natural man (no faith) seeks after a sign . I enjoy the exciting spiritual happening in my life. Joy moves us the experience the supernatural inwardly

And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John2:25-26 ***I have lived that most of my life since I was born again on May 25, 1967. You have made it evident by your postings that you have not. But again you take verses out of the context of the New Testament. God has called pastors who are supposed to be teaching what Christ-likeness is.


Its funny it seems I add the the unseen spirutl understanding to make context. Different view points

In one sense it would seem to be the kind of warning associated with the antichrists (verse 18) that insist we do need the things seen (men) to teach of the unseen things of faith. Again the unbelieving, no faith Jews who refused to hear prophecy turned things up side after the oral traditions of men . for the god of this world to provide the faith that comes from hearing men seen It is not the new faith we freely receive when we believe God. Without his faith we cannot hear what the Spirit says to the churches (denominations) ***You are not being logical in this. God is not pleased with what is being taught in most churches. Most pastors and elders are not sensitive to the Holy Spirit as their teacher. Throughout history the remnant of true obedient believers of God has always been small.


I would agree with that. The sign of tongues that exposed the Jews that refused to hear prophecy as something they required before they would commit to faith. They stumbled over the cross not having eyes to see.

Big difference between preaching and signs

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;1 Corinthians 1:22-23

Time and time again in opposition Christ would rebuke the unbelieving (no faith) Jew.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

They continue to look for do us tricks

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Providing a faith that comes from hearing men. It is not the new faith we receive when we believe God. Without his faith we cannot hear what the Spirit says to the churches (denominations) ***True Christian Faith only really comes from God. It can come from reading, hearing, and communing with God in think loving, thanking, and talking to Him.


Amen it does not come from making Christ into a circus seal, Show me a miracle and then I can confer I believe

But Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul never said not to receive any of the spiritual gifts from God. They indicated that we should not seek them. I only sought one and that was the first time I wanted the gift of tongues because many in the Assembly of God church I was attending seemed to be so joyful and I was not even though I had a wonderful wife and 2 wonderful infant daughters at
that time in January of


Yes again it was never said not to receive any of the spiritual (unseen gifts) gifts from God.

***Lay on your bed or go outdoors in a quiet area where no one else is and wait on God for His spiritual gifts, even speaking in tongues if He desires to edify you in that way. Let God really enter in your life. God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit have their parts for doing such and help you live a supernatural life that will be of interest of others. And you can be part of the Great Commission as a Biblical teacher.
Tonugues is a sign against those who will not believe prophecy in other languages other than Hebrew alone . They refuse to believe prophecy but certainly do whatsoever their own mouths says.(Jerimiah 44) Thefore mocking God seeing no evil in doing so who in turn mock them by brining prophecy in many languages of many nations even at the same time .Three thousands souls from many nations believed God who spoke once believing God to the salvation of their souls.
 

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There's also no such thing as 'prophesying in some other venues apart from assembly'
Have you read the Bible? The story of Ahijah the Shilonite prophesying over Jeroboam comes to mind. There are occasions where one or a few people are with a prophet who prophesies in the Bible. Were they 'in church' when Agabus prophesied over Paul? Paul, Luke, Philip, probably, and maybe his four daughters who prophesied were there. Was that 'the assembly'?

- Every time Paul based his argument on authority even as per the law (Genesis) that men have authority over women and that men were created first and given the authority and women created from men. So there's simply no venue or certain kind of speaking that will make a woman have authority over a man not unless God reverses that (and He has done that for specific women) by appointing a woman.
You are equating prophesying with having authority over.

Acts 2- no woman stood on the assembly to preach.
There is one verse where someone might argue for preaching in the assembly aside from one poor translation in the KJV of Acts 20 for a word elsewhere translated teach. Usually preaching was done in contexts where one is proclaiming to unbelievers outside of the assembly, in scripture.
 

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Have you read the Bible? The story of Ahijah the Shilonite prophesying over Jeroboam comes to mind. There are occasions where one or a few people are with a prophet who prophesies in the Bible. Were they 'in church' when Agabus prophesied over Paul? Paul, Luke, Philip, probably, and maybe his four daughters who prophesied were there. Was that 'the assembly'?



You are equating prophesying with having authority over.



There is one verse where someone might argue for preaching in the assembly aside from one poor translation in the KJV of Acts 20 for a word elsewhere translated teach. Usually preaching was done in contexts where one is proclaiming to unbelievers outside of the assembly, in scripture.
What i meant is that a venue doesn't reverse the natural order that was meant to be that a man shall have authority over a woman/ a husband over the wife/ Christ over the Church.
In your best translated bible, do you have examples of venues where the church has authority over Christ? or the son over the Father?
Paul's argument about women not teaching or speaking in churches was always based on authority. Nothing changes that.
 

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It came from believing the lie in effect they both believed the lie, both ate . Man, womans equal was faulted for not being one with the wife they were to protect each other as one creation. The one creation is called mankind (male and female) Christ is the head of mankind male and female.

As new creatures in His chaste virgin bride. Christ our husband marks no difference. Between male and female, Jew nor gentile. What we are (male and female) is not what we will be. The church is reckoned as a city prepared as His bride church she is the mother of us all. The new heavenly Jerusalem she is our city of refuge where moths and rust does not destroy our adoption papers .

For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.Isaia 63:5
Well, the bible says sin came through one man (Adam) and not one man and one woman, and salvation also through one man (Jesus) and not one man and His bride (Church). So clearly, the one who has authority over the other is made accountable.
 
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Well, the bible says sin came through one man (Adam) and not one man and one woman, and salvation also through one man (Jesus) and not one man and His bride (Church). So clearly, the one who has authority over the other is made accountable.
Hi thanks for the reply.

I would suggest woman is not a second hand creation formed from man. I think it is there that many go astray putting up some sort of; "first come first to be served" idea

If they are one which scriptures defines as one being made in the image of one and not two Gods. God calling one "him" in genesis below, one represents both or together mankind.

We can see how God is describing mankind as beast of the field different then the other beast who are not subject to salvation. And in the end of the matter those kind of beast will not become one new creature. The term the two shall be one is literally male and female Jew and Gentile (a new creation) it will be one bride is in respect to us receiving our new uncorrupted bodies. We should remember, what we are is not what we will be. Or its not over until it is over

He created the other beasts of the field calling "them" male separately, and female separately.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he "them".

I think we could safely says as I have re-paraphrased the verse below in blue.

Genesis 1:27 So God created mankind or human kind in his own image, in the image of God created mankind; male and female created he them.

As the Father and Son do work together as if he was two working together. they perform that work in perfect harmony and submissiveness to one another. This is in order to provide the peace of God that surpasses all human understand. We are given the understanding I believe that the Father is in the greater position the invisible Holy place of God where no form stands but is not a greater person .

It was how he designed mankind .One did not lord it over the other. When Eve ate Adam ate. Mankind is not the blame for the father of lies . He as the accuser of the brethren accuses us day and night to no avail .

Love found the way .
 

Dino246

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Well, the bible says sin came through one man (Adam) and not one man and one woman, and salvation also through one man (Jesus) and not one man and His bride (Church). So clearly, the one who has authority over the other is made accountable.
Show from Scripture where God put Adam in any kind of authority over Eve, especially prior to the fall.

You can't, because it isn't there. Your conclusion is baseless. Responsibility for someone is not authority over them.
 
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This is about being filled with the Holy Spirit:
Ephesians 5:
18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation,
but be filled with The Spirit,
19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
singing and making melody with your heart to The Lord;
20 always giving thanks for all things in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ
to God, even The Father;
21 and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.
34. What should true Christians be against?
35. And what should true Christians be for?
36. Why are verses 19-21 so rare? Reread Romans 8:1-17 and Galatians 5:13-26 before you answer.

22 Wives, submit {be subject} to your own husbands, as to The Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is The Head Of The Church,
He Himself {being} The Savior Of The Body.
24 But as the Church is subject to Christ,
so also the wives {ought to be} to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the Church
and gave Himself up for her,
26 so that He might sanctify her,
having cleansed her by the washing of water with the Word,
27 that He might present to Himself the Church in all her glory,
having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing;
but that she would be holy and blameless.
 

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Show from Scripture where God put Adam in any kind of authority over Eve, especially prior to the fall.

You can't, because it isn't there. Your conclusion is baseless. Responsibility for someone is not authority over them.
This is not worth arguing about.
 

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Show from Scripture where God put Adam in any kind of authority over Eve, especially prior to the fall.
The very fact that Eve was created from one of Adam's ribs is sufficient to establish that she was placed under the authority of Adam.

1 CORINTHIANS 11
But I would have you know, that the head [AUTHORITY] of every man is Christ; and the head [AUTHORITY] of the woman is the man; and the head [AUTHORITY] of Christ is God. (v 3)

For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. [TAKEN OUT OF THE MAN]
(v 8)

Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. (v 9) [AS A COMPANION AND HELPER]

Paul -- by DIVINE INSPIRATION -- goes all the way back to the creation of Eve to establish that the man is the authority over the woman, therefore Christian women must cover their heads during worship. "Power (exousia) on her head because of the angels" means "The symbol of authority on her head because of the angels".
 

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Nope. I thought your comments were not worth arguing about. We can go back and forth with no real substance.
Therefore we can rightly conclude that this assertion of yours: "So clearly, the one who has authority over the other is made accountable" has no real substance.
 

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The very fact that Eve was created from one of Adam's ribs is sufficient to establish that she was placed under the authority of Adam.
Hogwash and codswollop. There is no connection between the two concepts.
 
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Your claims are completely wrong and there is no Biblical support for any of them.
The law clearly says the sign tongues points to those who refuse to hear prophecy which is simply the word of God as it is written

I would offer if experience was the validator of the unseen spiritual things as the infallible truth of God which some call out of the body experience or near death .Then Christ flunked the test. He should of bowed down when shown all the kingdoms of the glory and the glory of them .But rather as the one authority of the unseen spiritual things he said three times gain and again..... as it is written. The word it in the phrase as it is written represents the unseen faith of God is the gospel key that the gates of hell could never prevail against .

Strike three and the old devil was out for a season

Spiritual gifts not seen yes, sign gifts seen, no.

Signs are designed for the rebels who will not walk by faith and believe prophecy . Many of the jews were trusting the prophecy promise of Abraham to come out of Egypt .God used sign to be against those rebels who did not believe prophecy (no sign)

And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land. And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.Exodus 4: 26

Moses himself was almost slain as a rebel for not performing the ceremonial sign that came from believing prophecy .His gentile wife became the mediator used to protect our bloody husband Christ the spiritual seed as to the integrity of his word, prophecy.

And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.Exodus 4:24 -26

Again in Number using as sign against the rebels to confirm they are not walking by the faith that come from hearing God (prophecy)

Numbers 17:10And the Lord said unto Moses, Bring Aaron's rod again before the testimony, to be kept for a token against the rebels; and thou shalt quite take away their murmurings from me, that they die not.

Moses again refuses to honor God, and was kept from entering the promised land by striking the rock, the rock typified Christ, he struck it twice as in the double jeopardy .He was kept form entering the temporal promised land in order to serve another principle ,(the law as to the letter that kills will not enter the new heavens and earth). Until then not one jot or tittle can be removed. Moses was a type of law giver to represent God not seen

Numbers 20:10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?

Jesus said its an evil generation natural man (no faith) that seeks after a sign before they will belive. .The last sign as a wonder )faith principle) was the sign of Jonas finished by the three work of Christ. We are given signs of the time but no more sign as a wonder or faith issue .

Why go above that which is written?