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NOTE 11 AT MARK 16:17:
When Jesus said that we would do these signs in His name, He was referring to doing these signs through His power and ability. He gave us His power of attorney.
NOTE 12 AT MARK 16:17 Casting out devils is not a special ministry for only some in the body of Christ. It is the right of every believer. No one who reads the Bible can deny that Jesus and the disciples cast demons out of people. Still some don’t believe that this has any relevance to us today. All they have to do is look around at the depravity in our society, and they can see that we still have demon possession today (see note 3 at Mark 1:32).
NOTE 13 AT MARK 16:17:Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit discussed in 1 Corinthians 12-14. It is one of the first miraculous manifestations that accompanies receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:4, 10:46, and 19:6).
There are two different kinds of speaking in tongues. 1 Corinthians 13:1 says we can speak with the tongues of man or of angels. The tongues of men is speaking of known languages such as what took place on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:4-6). This is the gift to supernaturally speak a known language without having been taught it, and it comes for the purpose of witnessing, as on the Day of Pentecost. There is also a gift of tongues that is speaking in a heavenly language (what 1 Corinthians 13:1 calls the tongues of angels). This is a language that is not known to the speaker (1 Corinthians 14:2 and 14) but allows the believer to communicate directly with the Lord through the Spirit. There is another kind of speaking in tongues that equals prophecy if it is interpreted (1 Corinthians 14:5) Not every believer will speak in known languages, as on the Day of Pentecost, or prophesy in the assembly through a message in tongues and an interpretation (1 Corinthians 12:30), but every believer who receives the baptism of the Holy Ghost can speak in the tongues that are for the purpose of edification (1 Corinthians 14:4).
NOTE 11 AT MARK 16:17:
When Jesus said that we would do these signs in His name, He was referring to doing these signs through His power and ability. He gave us His power of attorney.
NOTE 12 AT MARK 16:17 Casting out devils is not a special ministry for only some in the body of Christ. It is the right of every believer. No one who reads the Bible can deny that Jesus and the disciples cast demons out of people. Still some don’t believe that this has any relevance to us today. All they have to do is look around at the depravity in our society, and they can see that we still have demon possession today (see note 3 at Mark 1:32).
NOTE 13 AT MARK 16:17:Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit discussed in 1 Corinthians 12-14. It is one of the first miraculous manifestations that accompanies receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:4, 10:46, and 19:6).
There are two different kinds of speaking in tongues. 1 Corinthians 13:1 says we can speak with the tongues of man or of angels. The tongues of men is speaking of known languages such as what took place on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:4-6). This is the gift to supernaturally speak a known language without having been taught it, and it comes for the purpose of witnessing, as on the Day of Pentecost. There is also a gift of tongues that is speaking in a heavenly language (what 1 Corinthians 13:1 calls the tongues of angels). This is a language that is not known to the speaker (1 Corinthians 14:2 and 14) but allows the believer to communicate directly with the Lord through the Spirit. There is another kind of speaking in tongues that equals prophecy if it is interpreted (1 Corinthians 14:5) Not every believer will speak in known languages, as on the Day of Pentecost, or prophesy in the assembly through a message in tongues and an interpretation (1 Corinthians 12:30), but every believer who receives the baptism of the Holy Ghost can speak in the tongues that are for the purpose of edification (1 Corinthians 14:4).
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(Robin)
Haven't checked yet, but I'm wondering if you are using Kenneth Wuest's "Word Studies in the Greek NT?"
That is, you'd earlier mentioned an article by Wuest, and it seemed so sound and useful, that I followed-up on it,
and found that he not only has his own reading of the NT, but a 4 Volume Word Study ... I ordered a used copy off Amazon for a very reasonable price, and have already benifited from it ... concerning the better way to read "slave"
Anyway, thanks for the tip ... I appreciate your help and fellowship.
Robin
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Yes, I was quoting from Andrew Wommacks commentary and he used Kenneth Wuest's material too. I never heard about K.Wuest until learning about how the gifts are for today. He is often quoted by 2 of the preachers I listen to regularly. I didn't know Wuest had a 4 Volume Word Study and commentary but am going to also order it. Thanks Robin. Blessings!!
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I have about 14 of the Wuest word studies including the Wuest NT. They are awesome study tools! You can find them a great prices at www.thriftbooks.com
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No it doesn't! Tongues and languages are 2 completely different things!
Tongues (speaking in tongues) is not not an Earthly language!
It's not some other countries language you are speaking!
It's not a language that can be translated using text!
It's speaking in tongues. It's totally different!
If you don't speak in tongues then you might think that but that NOT what it is.
Tongues (speaking in tongues) is not not an Earthly language!
It's not some other countries language you are speaking!
It's not a language that can be translated using text!
It's speaking in tongues. It's totally different!
If you don't speak in tongues then you might think that but that NOT what it is.
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There are tongues that is another language of men not known by the speaker as was given in Acts 2. There are also tongues that are not languages of men and are only for God as outlined in 1 Cor.14:2. That's because there are different kinds of tongues as stated in 1 Cor 12:10 and 12:28.
I don't know why no one seems to see this.
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I don't know why no one seems to see this.
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Yes they heard them in their own language, that was for their benefit at that time. These were the same crowd of people where Peter said "and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross." They were outsiders so it was a sign of wonder for their benefit so that they would believe!
But when a person speaks in tongues today, he/she is not speaking in a different countries language now! They would be speaking in tongues of a Heavenly language that only God, the Holy Spirit or Jesus would be able to understand.
Since when has speaking in tongues and interpretation ever been speaking in a different language of the world anyway for crying out loud!
The end of Acts 2 is actually one of the most poignant stories and prime examples of what the world is like today when it goes on to say how all the Christians sold all that they had and gave to those that had need and every day they met in the courts temples and broke bread in peoples homes with merry, glad and sincere hearts. Praising God and enjoying the favour of all the people that were being saved.
Sadly, it's just not like that today.
But when a person speaks in tongues today, he/she is not speaking in a different countries language now! They would be speaking in tongues of a Heavenly language that only God, the Holy Spirit or Jesus would be able to understand.
Since when has speaking in tongues and interpretation ever been speaking in a different language of the world anyway for crying out loud!
The end of Acts 2 is actually one of the most poignant stories and prime examples of what the world is like today when it goes on to say how all the Christians sold all that they had and gave to those that had need and every day they met in the courts temples and broke bread in peoples homes with merry, glad and sincere hearts. Praising God and enjoying the favour of all the people that were being saved.
Sadly, it's just not like that today.
not to even touch on that point.
i don't know why Rudimental doesn't seem to see that the primary gift of tongues is a language that can readily be understood & interpreted. or even more, that he should assert that this kind of speaking is not 'tongues' at all, because looking at the scripture, it looks to be quite clearly the case.
my suspicion is that false pulpits that encourage a counterfeit spirit have every reason to discourage legible speech and verifiable interpretation. so i didn't post that to grieve the Spirit, but to root out lies.
i don't know why Rudimental doesn't seem to see that the primary gift of tongues is a language that can readily be understood & interpreted. or even more, that he should assert that this kind of speaking is not 'tongues' at all, because looking at the scripture, it looks to be quite clearly the case.
my suspicion is that false pulpits that encourage a counterfeit spirit have every reason to discourage legible speech and verifiable interpretation. so i didn't post that to grieve the Spirit, but to root out lies.
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I'm not really sure what the point is you're making there buddy. False pulpits? Lies? But I think I understand you. 
The reason we're here is because you think that SIT is speaking in an Earthly language?
Did you just read my reply above yet though?
I'm sorry but, SIT is NOT speaking in another Earthly language brother! It's just not.
Speaking in tongues is speaking in a language you cannot understand and one that doesn't have an Earthly language you can translate it from or to.
Tongues and interpretation does not mean that someone is going to speak in French so here after we'll translate it back into English for you!
Tongues and interpretation is a gift of the spirit, like shotgunner has quoted 1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
The reason we're here is because you think that SIT is speaking in an Earthly language?
Did you just read my reply above yet though?
I'm sorry but, SIT is NOT speaking in another Earthly language brother! It's just not.
Speaking in tongues is speaking in a language you cannot understand and one that doesn't have an Earthly language you can translate it from or to.
Tongues and interpretation does not mean that someone is going to speak in French so here after we'll translate it back into English for you!
Tongues and interpretation is a gift of the spirit, like shotgunner has quoted 1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
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I've been in Pentecostal churches many times and I've never seen anything that needed correcting. Never seen anyone discouraging legible speech. I've seen a few messages given in tongues and I've often seen members quietly and privately praying in their prayer language tongues. Never anything alarming.
I speak with a tongue all the time as that is how God created me....However, speaking in tongues is a different matter.
I do know that the reference the OP made was that there were a lot of people from different dialects in for the feast and the tongues that they (apostles) were speaking in allowed the people from out of town to understand the gospel in their own language as that is the Bible account.
My Bible also tells me that God is not the author of confusion.... So if you are confused take it to the Lord in prayer and He will help you find the truth that you are seeking.
I do know that the reference the OP made was that there were a lot of people from different dialects in for the feast and the tongues that they (apostles) were speaking in allowed the people from out of town to understand the gospel in their own language as that is the Bible account.
My Bible also tells me that God is not the author of confusion.... So if you are confused take it to the Lord in prayer and He will help you find the truth that you are seeking.
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The reason that they don't 'see' it here on these threads is they don't read the posts we take the time to post for one thing.
People ask for Bible verses but refuse to read them. It's all there to see if one just opens their eyes. But as was posted before, we become accustomed to our religious upbringing and can be fearful to dare look at any other way.what do you think about this?
https://www.cai.org/bible-studies/evidence-holy-ghost-baptism-speaking-tongues
it exists.
https://www.cai.org/bible-studies/evidence-holy-ghost-baptism-speaking-tongues
it exists.
I disagree.
Because I know from DC's posts.. he wasn't even trying to 'type in tongues'
You must surely realise it was just randomly hitting keys!
Excuse me from not being in on the joke.